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Is the fella in question? His the one on the FB page. Can't beleive the soze of his horns.
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Without commenting on this particular "cycling vigilante" I agree with the basic principle DKR is on about. A society that encourages its citizens to continually spy on each other is a sick society IMHO. I don't know if it's a generation thing, but some younger people seem to think its more acceptable than people of my age (over fifty).
dereknightrider have you ever had to pull someone from a crashed vehicle? have you ever had to knock on someone's front door and tell the that them their father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister (delete as appropriate) has been killed because someone was driving dangerously, but hey they are alright and will be going to their family tonight.
I have friends & family who have to do that on a daily basis, then they have to put it behind them and do it all over again. That is the harsh reality, I can be a cold hearted barsteward at times & seen plenty of death & destruction over the years but firmly believe that everyone has the right to travel from A to B by whatever means safely & return to their family at the end of the day.
taxi25, I'm over 50 so don't lump me in with your generalisations.
A society that encourages its citizens to continually spy on each other is a sick society IMHO. I don't know if it's a generation thing, but some younger people seem to think its more acceptable than people of my age (over fifty).
This is why I'm deeply morally opposed to this gang of dangerous vigilantes.
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State sponsored snitches.
All that angst up there ^ I call it guilt.
You know, deep down it's wrong.
Now that really is enough on the subject, next time you strap that camera on, just remember there's still somebody out here that thinks you're a rude word meaning cowardly bad person.
is it the religion thing? Is it the mummies boys no victim of bullying at school you've all been brought up to believe? This place is very much like a school the way it gets policed, dob each other in if someone uses a bad word
6.5/10 a reasonable broad side at a number of easy targets but you dropped marks by failing to mention hand wringers, immigrants, PC gone mad or thought police explicitly. The social work and racist abusers earned you the half mark but needed to be fleshed out more. Must try harder though I can see you are putting in effort.
I'm more worried that every time I come on here there's a moronic pillock pedalling his peculiar views.
next time you strap that camera on, just remember there's still somebody out here that thinks you're a rude word meaning cowardly bad person.
And next time you come on here just remember that there are a lot of people that think you are an idiot..
State sponsored snitches.
or Moral Courage 😉
stevied - Member
And next time you come on here just remember that there are a lot of people that think you are an idiot..
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*straight from my good friends at Christians Against Dinosaurs.
Sorry Derek, how is a vigilante state sponsored?
Depends on what you mean by "spurious". If "spurious" means - for example - overtaking and a pinch point, nearly knocking me off my bike and then arguing the toss when I try and point out the error at the next red traffic light, then I'm going to make damn sure that my helmet cam is running.
If that makes me a snitch, then I guess I'll have to bear the consequences.
dereknightrider - MemberNow that really is enough on the subject, next time you strap that camera on, just remember there's still somebody out here that thinks you're a rude word meaning cowardly bad person.
I don't wear a camera on the road. But I am aware that no matter what you do, somewhere there's some fud that thinks you're wrong to do it. And I think it's a shame for them, that they're a fud, but there's nothing I can do about it- even if I stop doing the thing they're currently being a fud about, they're still a fud.
If there any TV programme commissioning editors on here I believe we have the basis for a great comedy series.
dereknightrider - Member
Now that really is enough on the subject, next time you strap that camera on, just remember there's still somebody out here that thinks you're a rude word meaning cowardly bad person.
There's many more people out there who'd think you'd be a colossal cowardly bellsniff for endangering their lives by driving irresponsibly when surrounded by two tonnes of metal.
I wonder if DKR and Taxi25 live down the same road?
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😆teadrinker - Member
I wonder if DKR and Taxi25 live down the same road?
Very funny, but it's better than where you lot clearly live.
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next time you strap that camera on, just remember there's still somebody out here that thinks you're a rude word meaning cowardly bad person.
I will presume that person is an arsehole, and carry on with my day not giving a crap what they "think"
next time you strap that camera on, just remember there's still somebody out here that thinks you're a rude word meaning cowardly bad person.
In just the same way I would be aware that if someone broke into my neighbour's house and I reported them to the police, they would probably think that about me as well. For some reason that wouldn't bother me & neither would this.
You are an idiot
HTH
derek - what level of crime stops it being snitching? Does blood (you'd probably say "claret" ) have to have been spilled? Broken bones? Shooters?
Maybe my anarchistic tendency is showing
Something is definitely showing; not sure that's it.
This thread is awesome. It's like watching someone's dignity unravelling - live!
Enquiring minds need to know Derek, where is the line for you?
As Atlaz says; what sort of crime would you snitch on? Clearly road traffic offences are below the threshold, what about a child murder?
Happy to let it go and the Police sort it out?
Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Experience, it seems, the OP has plenty of.
[quote=dereknightrider ]Mind your own business, live and let live, what happened to that credo?
Just to help with your trolling (I'm enjoying it immensely) and given I don't think you've yet answered this, is there any point where you'd consider not minding your own business? If you're walking along a street and you see somebody being beaten up, do you cross over to the other side so that it's easier to ignore? A bunch of armed men running into a bank - do you look the other way?
Just trying to establish exactly how strong your anarchist tendency is.
I'd put good money on the bank robbing scenario being ignored - no-one was 'hurt', and presumably the 'bankers' got robbed so win-win!
dereknightrider » Mind your own business, live and let live, what happened to that credo?
Isn't that attitude the reason why we now have so many abuse cases popping up now? I'm not saying this is your stance on the subject at all, let me clear on that. But it was this kind of attitude that led to cases like this being ignored for so long.
Again people are asking you - where do you draw the line????
Today's Jeremy Vine is Dennis Skinner, the 'beast of Bolsover', singing wartime classics.
I can't wait for the thread about that.
The simple answer is 'when it affects me'.
It usually is 😉
Perspective chaps, lets keep a little, you're snivelling cyclist snitches ratting out a few poor motorists, who heaven help us don't have enough agro already in their daily lives being the cash cow they are to the state.
Personally in my time I've been the 'have a go hero' I believe the term was when we were being encouraged in that direction, got a black eye and lost a contact lenses for my trouble helping a Taxi driver who was being assailed by local language students of arabic appearance, I've pulled folk out of the channel, saved kids who have fallen down cliffs, gone to assist with first aid at car crashes before the medics arrive and assorted other examples of good samaritan action that I would reason anyone else would have done in similar circumstances, certainly anyone from my generation.
No I wouldn't help the police under any circumstance these days other than rape and or murder if I were in a position so to do. The police have lost all my respect years ago, now that maybe because of governmental box ticking, but all I see are soft target acquiring cowards who shrink from any serious issues unless they have NCA backing.
And the more of you that follow our friend down the ratting out route, the more I'm likely to join any appeals to have commuter cyclists number plated up, what's grease for the goose...
PS I thoroughly enjoyed Dennis Skinners interview and take on things, a shame there are not more conviction politicians like him, but then he's from my era. I may not agree with everything indeed not much of what he says but I applaud his ability to say it and the fast disappearing culture of its tolerance.
They're (well we, really - cyclists are statistically more likely to be drivers than non-cyclist) not a cash cow. We get a net subsidy to drive compared to the taxes we pay to do so.
Some more troll points though for getting "arabic" in there.
at what level of crime do you change to being a snitch? if you witness a rape, a mugging, a murder ok but anything on the road is off limits? seems my moral compass is way off.
poah - Member
at what level of crime do you change to being a snitch?
That assumes you believe traffic offences are a crime, clearly lots of you do, in my day they were misdemeanours I believe it is the yanks call them.
That assumes you believe traffic offences are a crime, clearly lots of you do, in my day they were misdemeanours I believe it is the yanks call them.
You don't know what a misdemeanour is, do you?
Even if they can have the same impact/outcome as murder which is ok to report on (or presumably it'd be ok to snitch on attempted murder)
Is manslaughter ok to snitch on?
No I wouldn't help the police under any circumstance these days other than rape and or murder if I were in a position so to do.
What about perverting the course of justice? Or is that just a misdemeanour too? 😆
lemonysam - Member
That assumes you believe traffic offences are a crime, clearly lots of you do, in my day they were misdemeanours I believe it is the yanks call them.
You don't know what a misdemeanour is, do you?
Well it's not a felony and traffic offences are not a crime in my eyes, when did that change, they're dealt with in the criminal courts now then?
tomhoward - MemberWhat about perverting the course of justice?
I dunno can you film it on a go pro then?
No I wouldn't help the police under any circumstance these days other than rape and or murder if I were in a position so to do. The police have lost all my respect years ago
So, based on how you think things should be done..if anything less than rape and/or murder happened to you, you wouldn't like anyone with information to come forward with information the police may find useful in apprehending the culprits?
Fair enough.. 🙄
Some are, some aren't. As I understand it some are criminal (speeding) but not recordable.
Go figure that out...
[i]traffic offences are not a crime in my eyes[/i]
Killing someone with a car is a traffic offence.
Seems a bit liberal to just let people off?
stevied, I refer you to my previous post
nemesis - Member
The simple answer is 'when it affects me'.It usually is
wwaswas - Member
traffic offences are not a crime in my eyesKilling someone with a car is a traffic offence.
Seems a bit liberal to just let people off?
Not your job dude, that's what the police are there for and the justice system, they don't need lycra clad roadie movie directing snitches once someone's dead, how about they died because somebodies attention was misdirected to the triple camera wielding weirdo on the bike glowering menacingly at them?
So if I assault your wife/sister/child you wont tell on me Derek?