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"[i]I count accidents as things that happen without human intervention, e.g. ice on the road, twigs on pavements, branches falling off trees[/i]"
accidents must be based partly on intentions - human thoughts etc must be a big part in whether its a accident
ice on road - driving at 60mph in a country lane???? or driving at 10mph and crashing
ice on road is natural occurance (unless building the road is human intervention)
do animals have accidents - yes I hit a badger (it was ok)at 20mph on a night ride went between whells and under back one(thumbs up for vpp suspension)
offroad everything to do with stopping on rocks/stones etc - so whose not been round a tight bend on a bridleway (shared use of course) at over 15mph???
Because a jogger has chosen to jog along the pavement and should ensure they are doing it safely and considerately. Barging into another pedestrian causing them to fall over and die is pretty reckless.
Well the "causing them to ... die" bit isn't right, since you could bump into someone and they fall over 1000 times and 999 times they would not die. The dieing would be due to some other unfortunate circumstance, i.e., luck.
As for bumping into people when jogging... it's pretty difficult to avoid sometimes when people jump out from behind trees, suddenly veer across your path without warning, or many other such dumb things that people do, I regularly have to take avoiding action. If I did knock someone over it would not be my fault, it would be theirs, and I tend to think the same about cycling on shared paths. I'm going not too fast and keeping an eye out, that's my side of the bargain, but if someone doesn't look where they are going and steps into my path, they (at the very least) share responsibility for any untoward outcome.
Well Hora it sounds like you played Russian Roullette and won so lucky you.
when people suddenly veer across your path without warning, or many other such dumb things that people do, I regularly have to take avoiding action. If I did knock someone over it would not be my fault, it would be theirs, and I tend to think the same about cycling on shared paths. I'm going not too fast and keeping an eye out, that's my side of the bargain...
But thats not your side of the bargain, your 'side' is to be riding responsibly and not putting others at risk from your actions. If they cant/dont see you when they decide to cross a [u]shared[/u] path then your the one thats going to cause the damage (by virtue of you being the one who is going to hit them), in this case of a shared path you should be in a position to avoid this collision, ie. by slowing down when you get near them. Tho we have let you off for the ones that appear out of nowhere, been there myself, where the hell do those people come from!?
In 2007, cyclist Peter Messen – who killed a pedestrian while riding on a pavement in Cornwall at 25mph – escaped with 300 hours of community service.
Thats wrong.
RealMan - MemberIn 2007, cyclist Peter Messen – who killed a pedestrian while riding on a pavement in Cornwall at 25mph – escaped with 300 hours of community service.
Thats wrong.
Wasn't he that person who was mentally handicaped and deam as not fully understanding his actions?
"In 2007, cyclist Peter Messen – who killed a pedestrian while riding on a pavement in Cornwall at 25mph – escaped with 300 hours of community service.
Thats wrong."
as far as i can remember he had learning difficulties, and didn't even own the bike.
People are concentrating way too much on the headlines here. Theres always more to it.
in reality we only need one law "don't act like an idiot". Then it would be perfectly possible for people to cycle on pavements.
So how about cheeky trails then?? Whats with cycling on them?
shocking level of third-world driving standards in London?
I always felt London was much safer than the rest of the UK for cycling - there are loads more cyclists on the road so people are expecting them, traffic is almost always going slowly, so you're going the same speed or faster than it, and generally drivers are much less likely just to be completely asleep, because there's enough going on to keep them awake. And I used to commute on the A3, go across Hammersmith Roundabout, Vauxhall, Elephant & Castle etc. which are some of the busiest junctions in London.
If you ride carefully and watch out for what other people are up to, there's no need to be on the pavement in London.
Joe (Commuted in London for 5 years, outside London in Surrey & Nottinghamshire for about 5 years too.)
So how about cheeky trails then?? Whats with cycling on them?
Same rules as on BWs - don't run into people.
This was another case:
- it's not described in the link, but allegedly she'd stepped into the guy's path at the last minute...
i think in the other case (above) the collision *probably* took place on the road, but as all the news reports said she hit her head on the pavement, eveyrone assumed the cyclist was on the pavement.