[Closed] Cycle lane design FAIL

Are they serious about this?? Holy cow, Batman.

To cyclists it's obviously a great idea

Really? Sounds like a recipe for hitting bus passengers.

Love the way the spokesman for the visually impaired introduces "[i]menace[/i]" into his reference to cyclists 🙄

Boris has lost the plot.

What an incredibly stupid idea.

Imminent disaster, IMO.

It's not completely stupid in theory.
This is what they'll look like:
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Unfortunately, like most infrastructure it's a half arsed attempt at something the Dutch do well. so we get a lane that diverts you around the bus stop (alright) but spits you back out into traffic, from the looks of it at the same point as the cars that have overtaken the stationary bus are going to be moving left. Seems like moving the conflict from at the bus stop to just after it.

The Dutch lanes look like this, by comparison:
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The design is similar but rather than spit you back out onto a busy road, you stay on the segregated bike path. It just goes behind the bus stop so that buses don't have to cross it.

Why not just have a pull-in bus stop, win-win.

I'm just imagining plowing into crowds of people trying to get on/off the bus who aren't going to appreciate having to dodge cyclists the minute they get off the bus.

[quote=b r ]Why not just have a pull-in bus stop, win-win.
Ah - that's an easy one. Buses that have to pull in find it difficult to get back into the traffic flow again when it's busy. We've had a whole series of bus pull-ins/lay-bys filled in in Edinburgh for exactly this reason. I can sort of understand the reasoning - anything that delays a bus journey makes private car use seem more attractive.

heres borris' design for an airport

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[i]Ah - that's an easy one. Buses that have to pull in find it difficult to get back into the traffic flow again when it's busy. We've had a whole series of bus pull-ins/lay-bys filled in in Edinburgh for exactly this reason. I can sort of understand the reasoning - anything that delays a bus journey makes private car use seem more attractive. [/i]

That's been happening all over, but they'd be pulling out into a Bus Lane - so not so much of a problem.

Or they could learn to drive..., have they not realised that Buses are rather big, and can just pull out 😉

TBF - I've mostly seen this happening where there is no bus lane.

If the road is wide enough for a bus lane and a cycle lane why not just have a bus bay on the left leaving enough space in the bus lane for cyclists to overtake the bus safely on the offside??

Let's be honest, someone is at least trying to find a solution, and all we have here is largely uninformed people bitching about it. WTF [b]DO[/b] you want?
Radical idea - lets wait until there's a few in use before we write them off, huh?
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Seems reasonable. If you're moving quicker just overtake the bus. As a regular user of CS7 I can see that many people lack the confidence to overtake buses, and would use these lanes.

The problem with the 'overtake the bus' strategy is not just you have to get into the next lane, but there's always the risk that the bus will pull out as you go past (and who hasn't had that if you've spent time in a city)

This lets you get past on a bicycle, and slot in in front of the bus (risk point there, of course), and should work better for anyone who lacks the acceleration and aggression to play in London weekday traffic.

At least the bike path doesn't have the bus stop in the middle of it, which [url= http://bristolcars.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/abbeywood-week-advertising-on-a4174-in.html ]is all to common near bristol[/url]

They had a load of these in Copenhagen. Seemed to work ok. Would maybe need a bit of education of the British public pedestrian to be aware of and give way to bikes going from the normal pavement to the bus stop "island".

Nice chic pretty Dutch lady on city bike in photo above - one of my favourite reasons to go abroad. More of that in the UK please!

I can't believe we're still surprised when things in the UK are designed badly. Excellent application of misplaced optimism 😀

I can see so many reasons this wont work in london, does any cyclist actually get a say in these decisions, and no I dont count boris in that. I mean regular cyclists.

We have had a few of these segregated cycle paths on the wirral, along, ford road on the beechwood estate, small parts of it, turn into flooded canals though, but it works well, but hen there is just a lawn the other side of the path not shops.

It also depends on the speed of the traffic, cyclist speeds, and the number of buses using the route to work properley, then there is the problem of the pavement actually being wide enough to take the relevant cycle lane, along with drains and other infrastructure.

we should lynch mob boris.

I'm outraged at this - the Dutch lady has no helmet and appears to be wearing fashonable clothing (for the Netherlands). The chap behind likewise and despite the weather being inclement there is absolutely NO dayglo waterproof goretex in evidence.

Its almost as if they aren't making ANY effort to differentiate themselves from other road users and pedestrians.

I bet the car drivers and pedestrians almost think they might all be part of the same road using nation... perhaps some of those pedestrians (also not wearing 'proper clothing' I see) might just have a bike parked round the corner..with mudguards..and a stand....!

How can that possibly work!!

The bus stop cycle lane idea isn't inherently flawed but it won't work in the UK as attitudes to using it (and most cycle infrastructure)are all wrong from every stakeholder in the game.

Seems to get round what I find to be the biggest problem with buses - ie. the driver hammers past you on the outside leaving no room, then within a microsecond of his rear bumper passing your front wheel proceeds to pull into the curb and slam his brakes on.

[i]I can see so many reasons this wont work in london, does any cyclist actually get a say in these decisions, and no I dont count boris in that. I mean regular cyclists. [/i]

A few years ago the chap in charge of TfL cycling was the Dad of a lad that worked for me, he'd never ridden a bike in his life...

Has potential. Big step in the right direction. Next thing is to connect up the sections behind the stops into z continuous track.

Its almost as if they aren't making ANY effort to differentiate themselves from other road users and pedestrians.

Lol

I think someone summed it up with most cyslist lack confidance to overtake buses. Confidance of cyslists is something that needs to be addressed with road training. Many issues on the road are in part down to lack of confidance by cyclists not just poor driving standards and lack of bike awareness. Too little is done for cyclist training and cyist don't volunteer for it as it all done a pay basis and the time is very expensive. Not sure of the solution though.

Yep. It's all about confidence. If they just realised that they'd be fine if any of those vehicles collided with then there wouldn't be a problem anymore.

I'm drunk. But what absolute cock.

As usual it looks like a good idea badly implemented,regards the comment regarding buses pulling back out into the flow of traffic, you should pop round Manchester ,the routine seems to be signal/manoeuvre/check mirror.
They have pretty much sussed out they are bigger than most other vehicles on the road so just push out.

[i]regards the comment regarding buses pulling back out into the flow of traffic,[/i]

But in this case, its a bus lane.

This is what happens when you give depts a budget to spend by the end of the year and a load of folk with no common sense.

They have pretty much sussed out they are bigger than most other vehicles on the road so just push out.

Years ago I remember speaking to someone who was learning to drive a bus, and he was saying they were taught to count 5 cars going past and then pull out regardless...because you're supposed to give way to buses anyway. Which seems fair enough to me.

Just London then?
From what I've seen, London is a different world when it comes to cycling, so this isn't going to effect me in the slightest.
Looks good for those who are in London.

Unbelievable! Not the fact that this is yet again a terrible idea and a sh*tty piece of design. That's to be expected given most of the cycle 'friendly' facilities we've all seen. What's unbelievable is that some people on here seem to think it's a good idea. I only have one question for these people: Have you ever ridden a bike on a shared cycle path? If you had you'd know how crazy it is to intentionally mix pedestrians and cyclists. It's just asking for trouble and I have no doubt it'll result in many cases of pedestrians being hit by cyclists. It's bad enough that some cyclists ride on the pavement and endanger pedestrians giving the rest a bad name, but it's something else to actually design this into the infrastructure.

Too little is done for cyclist training and cyist don't volunteer for it as it all done a pay basis

Exact same design works elsewhere.

Difference in the UK are people's skewed god-given rights, goes for both pedestrians and cyclists.