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One other thing to add which may help their case with the uplift - not stereotyping people but that area of the world isn't known for it's massive climbs, and taking into account seriousrikk's point about fitness - if you live and ride in that area you'll typically have less fitness than someone who has access to proper hills, so the thought of doing 10x runs in a day at 75m climbing per run would probably put many people off.
I recently rode on a trip with someone who's local spot is twisted oaks, they went on their first 'proper' mountain biking trip outside their local area to Dartmoor and got absolutely destroyed by the hills there. First 2 days were 1125m and 1000m, then an easier 450m day - they just weren't used to that sort of climbing.
Even if the uplift is not viable, in 5 years I can see the light e bike market being massive and places like this will be very popular.
The thing is, without the uplift there is no business, without the business there are no official trails, without the "official" trails there's very possibly a disgruntled landowner and no trails at all.
The uplift needs to be viable for the plan to work and there needs to be enough trails to fill a day, they need to be varied and good enough to draw people not from nots back repeatedly for it to work.
IMO is not a good idea for a business, I'm assuming it's being crowd funded because the banks etc agree. 10 trails on that sort of elevation isn't likely to be enough for that, especially if they're skewed towards the properly black end of things.
For my part, if they want it to be viable, especially uplifted on that sort of site, they need to skew much more towards the family market and offer a lot of progression for newcomers, don't try and compete with places like BPW when you can't, find the things they don't do that you can and do those. Personally this strikes me as a we want this not a we think this will work.
Leeds bike park does a great job with little elevation and no uplift because its family friendly.
FoD manage an uplift because they've got the elevation and a good network of trails but I'd bet a dime to a dollar the site does better out of the family market, children's rides and clubs etc than from the uplift.
It’s a nice idea but if it is located where I think it is I’d be surprised if it gets planning permission- it’s quite an idyllic unspoilt rural location and I think the locals will massively object.
It’s a nice idea but if it is located where I think it is I’d be surprised if it gets planning permission- it’s quite an idyllic unspoilt rural location and I think the locals will massively object.
If you think it is the woods fairly near to the castle (it definatly is) then I am inclined to agree.
I know nothing of this other than what I've read today but apparently the land owners have an history of letting people set up commercial ventures on the land and then pricing them out of business with excessive rent increases and then taking them over for themselves.
from google street view it barely even looks like a hill
Here's my badly redacted map to show elevation:
They have done a Q&A video confirming that there will be a push up trail, the cost being £10-£15
Here’s my badly redacted map to show elevation:
Well, I've just managed to find it from your map & I live in Edinburgh
It's the worst kept secret in Nottinghamshire. Every local MTBer I've spoken to knows, and anyone who spends five minutes looking will find it.
Creation say they're going to announce the location officially in a few weeks
Not sure who’s going to use it?
For any local riders having their wood taken over won’t go down well, and let’s be honest no-one travels to Notts as an MTB destination.
And how do you lock-down a wood that has bridleways and footpaths going through it?
If it’s a drag lift or a travelator I’m in. If it’s a dirty diesel truck and shonky trailer I’d rather pedal up.
I can't help feeling that funiculars get overlooked far too often when there's a "pedal/walkable, but a lift up would be nice" type of incline to deal with. I agree the last thing the world needs is another bunch of knackered transits pelting up and down a forestry trail...
Funicular really is an f-word round here 🙂
According to facebook the lease has already been agreed on the land - anybody getting into bed with her needs to be careful.
I cant see it getting funding myself, the locals will be massively against it, and i don’t really see the appeal of an uplift. They do manage the land proactively to generate as much income as possible so never say never.
A well managed trail centre would be a good addition though, but id be riding there and taking my own lunch!
Calverton pit would have been a better option.
Calverton pit would have been a better option
Now an underground trail centre, that I'd pay to ride
Now an underground trail centre, that I’d pay to ride
The drop down the mine shaft may be a bit extreme! 🤣🤣
Calverton pit would have been a better option
You know when I mentioned 'my local woods' earlier? 😀
Yea, it really is that good there..
The drop down the mine shaft may be a bit extreme! 🤣🤣
Yeah but at least the uplift would be worth while
Derelict dry ski slope in Bracknell…. I think would make an interesting urban bike park.
BC were interested in the idea, but the landowner not interested.
This is true, but isn’t that in Leicestershire and not Notts?
“ I know nothing of this other than what I’ve read today but apparently the land owners have an history of letting people set up commercial ventures on the land and then pricing them out of business with excessive rent increases and then taking them over for themselves. ”
This is true, but isn’t that in Leicestershire and not Notts?
We used to ride there from a local town 15 miles away mid 90s, god knows how we knew where to go, no maps, no kit and one of us on a BMX, I think the surrounding area was so flat you could just aim for the hill that was in front of you, 15 miles away...
I remember one of us descending pretty quick, hit the fire road that cuts across, accidentally launch 5m into the air while cartwheeling over the bars, then riding home, great days, great days...
30 miles + on a BMX and back in time for The Simpsons 🙂
Update: as many already knew, it's near Belvoir Castle, and is to be named Belvoir Bike Park ( It's pronounced Beaver)
I think one of the issues with an uplift is that it massively pushes the price up of a day out. £10-15 is already out of reach for many kids. If it went any near the BPW cost then it becomes a holiday rather than a hobby.
Nice Belvoir.
Hehehe..hehe.. Beaver. *S****s
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Im interested to see what the business model is. At the moment it seems to be please give us £500k in cash so we can set it up and then charge you to use it. Normally with crowdfunded project there is an incentive to give your money, whether thats some form of discount or other ‘benefit’
As for planning given who the owner of the land is and their family connections then I can’t see any problems on that front
seems to have gone quiet on this one - anyone know where its at? - they are a long way short on the crowdfunder and the locals werent too impressed with the line building thats gone on!
The guys behind it are generally into the bike park jump style of trails having ridden some of their unofficial efforts in other local woods. They are well built of jump trails are your thing
Currently sat at 2% funded which equates to a smidge over 12k.
Creation Cycles?
Two proposals to compulsorily liquidate them - 2019 and 2021; both withdrawn.
With that in the background, I would be very hesitant about supporting their crowdfunder if planning to support them - which I'm not.
Announcement regarding our proposed bike park.
Firstly, thank you to all those who contributed towards our Crowdfunder. Sadly we underachieved our target and as a result we have had to go back to the drawing board. For those who contributed, we will be in contact in the next couple of weeks to fulfill your rewards.
The good news is we are still looking to go ahead and try to make this a reality. Therefore, later this summer, we will release a second Crowdfunder and also have a raffle which will include a number of great prizes from some amazing brands that are trying to help.
We have received numerous messages stating just build the trails and it will grow. Unfortunately it is not as simple as that. We have to complete numerous ecological surveys, some of which we have done, meet planning regulations, and on top of that each trail costs roughly £20-£30 per metre to construct. There are also services that need to be in place such as car parking, access roads, water, electricity and waste that all need to be completed before we can even open.
There also continues to be a small minority that feel they can ride on the land already and build illegal trails. Please, if this is you, stop. You are putting the entire project in jeopardy.
Lastly, please be patient. We are trying our hardest to make this happen and sort out all the red tape. We will provide updates as and when we have them.
We have left our crowdfunding page open for donations if you wish to help out.
Thank you.