[Closed] Crashed on surrey Hills..on "NEW" section (supernova)

Glad to hear your OK

As for signs, well 1) it's more stuff for everyone else to complain about and 2) I wouldn't trust them anyway.

Your going to crash once in a while, it's a fact of what we do. Sometimes it's worth doing a scouting run before committing to a full speed run, even on familiar trails

Can't open the link. Is this "unofficial" trail-pixieing?

Try it now MRwhoppit

This is going to be interesting

I would delete this thread before it gets out of control....

really no need to advertise this for all the ney sayers..

trails change, we all crash sometimes....

Its the Surrey Hills not a trail centre, signposts would make us even more unpopular with those who dont want us there full stop.

Scope out a run before you hammer down it?

As someone else said, it is mountain biking, expect to come off once in a while.

PS: Ouch.

really no need to advertise this for all the ney sayers

What do you mean??

I've got those shorts!!

Reason im putting it on here is because i had NO IDEA that the trail ahead of me had changed..

You cannot take anything for granted on an MTB... There could've been a fallen tree, family having a picnic, anything.

Scope out a run before you hammer down it?

this time last week it was a fairly simple flat jump..
But no someone has dug a huge trench behind the jump that you cant see until your on the jump..

If your going to ride take responsibility, if your going to dig holes in trails think about the rest of the world, sounds like it needs someone to get some kind of control and funnel the efforts of the enthusiastic into something sensible.

get well soon

you're own fault for not assessing the trail ahead

I knew this was going to happen.

Supernova is a main thoroughfare route back to Peaslake. Everyone rides it. Building a jump like that, right on the main track (even if there is an alternative) was always going to end up with someone getting hurt.

OP I hope you're OK. Expect to see that jump removed pretty soon. I'm all for stuff like this 'appearing' but really, on something that gets ridden by so many people of such vastly differing abilities and right on the main line as well, it's daft.

sorry you crashed but its already a sensitive subject,
trail building
jumps

etc etc.

I've got those shorts!!

Thefts from Hospital are on the rise

you're own fault for not assessing the trail ahead

i said it was my fault...thanks for your comments...your the best

Ive a feeling this thread is going to get Heated pretty soon....lol.....

looking forward to it... 😆

Is this "unofficial" trail-pixieing?

Summer holidays = kids mucking about with trails, usually making jumps more 'rad' so they can session them then leave them for other people who normally ride the trail and know what's coming to come a cropper. GWS!

Out of interest, were you..
- wearing a helmet?
- using Strava?
- riding a Santa Cruz?
- driving there in an Audi?

ha! i'm only joking, please don't answer any of that. Get well soon, looks painful.

Count yourself lucky, when I rode down there on Monday someone had cut a load of trees down and dragged them into all the corners.

And whilst I'm not for kicking someone whilst they are down, it was pretty clear to me it was a gap. From the video you clearly weren't going fast enough to hit the landing, gap or no gap...

all the trail building is unofficial...
its not a big gap

just don't need the go pro brigade putting more heat on the situation.

Hope you heal quickly!

It p*sses me off too that stuff like this happens, but it does. You could say it's an argument for riding on legal trails, but regardless - it's still annoying when someone thinks 'this would make a great spot for a ghetto double!' with no thought for other riders, chicken lines, sustainability, land use, etc. etc.

I rode that the other night, didn't seem much different to me. Did you noes dive it?

Get well soon.

I hope that you get better soon and damn glad that you didn't do yourself permanent injury (surely the most important thing here).

I agree that with most people it's largely your own fault (as you recognise) for going too fast to be able to read the trail but difficult when you are riding a trail that you know when and don't expect it to change.

People dig over at Peaslake all the time (it's a fact). They sometime dig inappropriately but I can't see anyone controlling the digging.

I reckon we should start putting those little red flags on the lips of jumps like they do in canada (and at aston hill on s2a). Makes it easier to judge when and where you may need to be committing to something rather than just rolling it.

greeble - Member
you're own fault for not assessing the trail ahead

OP, I'm glad you're OK.

it's still annoying when someone thinks 'this would make a great spot for a ghetto double!' with no thought for other riders, chicken lines, sustainability, land use, etc. etc.

There's actually nothing ghetto about it, it's been boarded & staked properly.

Looks a lot more official than most stuff there. Also there is far bigger & more ghetto out there.

And as freeridenick says, it's not a big gap, in fact it could probably do with being more than twice the size it is for the speed you hit it at, unless you mince down the trail. It's barely over a bike length....

if your going to dig holes in trails think about the rest of the world

This is also true.

I almost had a big crash riding a very unofficial DH trail in some FC woods nearby. A pretty secretive thing, I'd heard of it a few times but never seen it, so it's hardly used by all and sundry. Well I finally found it, rode it, and near the bottom I found a small jump. I was going slowly because it was my first go, and at the last second I found out that the small jump was obscuring a rather deep 2 foot wide ditch with a stream in it. I managed to pull one of the biggest emergency bunnyhops of my riding career.. it's surprising what you can achieve when you have to 🙂

butterbean, plenty of mincers out there! 😛

yep, hardly flytipper or old northern monkey..

i managed to tuck before i hit the floor,so didnt smash my face...my leg battered the tree next to me though so cant really walk..

had elbow and knee pads on and was wearing a helmet...new fox flux on its way, as that ones buggered now...

cheeers for the support guys...

im off to Wales next weekend to do
Stiniog, Llandegla and Afan...i had better be mended by then...lol..

ps...it was my fault i crashed..it wasnt a huge jump.....i should of gone fatser...i was just expecting it to be a flat landing, like it was the other day when i rode it...NOT a ditch....again...it was my fault..lol...

butterbean, plenty of mincers out there!

Nick you were a mincer once. We all were. Some of us have even regressed in later life. No need to be bitchy about.

WHO'S FAULT WAS IT.....

ALL TOGETHER NOW...........

Also... I happened upon it within a day or so of them digging in (the stupidity of which is another thing in itself), and still rode round it without much fuss, before there was an avoiding line as there is now.

IMO it's a stupid thing to have built, although better now you there's an obvious chicken run, but I have to say that I think you only have yourself to blame for that.

hahahha

njee20 but I have to say that I think you only have yourself to blame for that.

See above post

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Cheers Gotama..

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😆

Sorry, that edit has screwed you! Couldn't be bothered getting into a debate over this.

Hope you heal up quickly.

Sorted

😉

ps..i know what you mean about the "debate" side of things,....it cant get quite vicious on here

So it was your fault then proflexforever? I don't think that's been determined clearly enough in this thread

spawnofyorkshire

i think it says it somewhere in the dine print

Hope the OP heals quickly, a crash hurts regardless of how it happened.

I think the new jump on that trail is a shame - it didnt need it and the best bits of the trail (i.e. the corners) seem to have been lost to give space for the jump. Just my two cents!

I still don't get it. Isn't mountain biking meant to challenge us?

I like the addition to the trail, its not hard by any stretch, there is a ride round...

there aren't enough jumps in the surrey hills as it is.

I crash, we all crash. strava hunting means we crash even more!

GT, yep certainly was a mincer! 😯

Isn't mountain biking meant to challenge us?

Yes, but why does that have to be done with a jump? I can quite happily do the jump but i preferred the trail before it was put in. The chicken line is a bit rubbish and the corners which made it fun for a lot of people have been removed to make way for the jump. Whilst i can appreciate that the guy doing all the work on the trails is doing what he feels is fun, it's not his land and i think a bit of consideration for the masses would lead to less trouble in the long term. Why not leave the trail as it was but put a higher line where the chicken run is to make a hip? Surely that makes it fun for everyone.

I also liked the narrow trees that he's taken out. Was it a challenge to get the bars through there or something? My 780mm fit just fine.

freeridenick

i think youve missed the point...im just saying that i crashed on it..im giving people the heads up before someone else comes of worse...im all for jumps..(that i can do, obviously....lol)..

My brothers just pointed out.(who was there) the chicken run thats next to the jump last night was actually covered in a cut down tree..( i had didn't see this)

although he did see some tyre treds even higher up the trail...

To be fair if you can ride that trail at any sort of pace the old berms were too tight, it was easier to double them up.

I like the new jump for what it's worth. It would appear I'm the minority though

This just reminds me that I need to get over the Hills. Seems ages since I was last over there.

Supernova is the wiggly, one that comes down the left side of the valley as you head to Peaslake? Crosses over the fireroad, leading to the later addition to it into Walking Bottom carpark, yes?

Also, can anyone categorically state who's fault this crash was? The rider of the trail pixies?

Also, can anyone clear something up for me? Is trail building in the surrey hills a contentious subject? I have no idea.

My brothers just pointed out.(who was there) the chicken run thats next to the jump last night was actually covered in a cut down tree..( i had didn't see this)

🙄

proflex

Fair enough, but everytime anything interesting is built it lasts about 2 days before it gets taken out...this just feeds the flames.

Whilst i can appreciate that the guy doing all the work on the trails is doing what he feels is fun, it's not his land and i think a bit of consideration for the masses would lead to less trouble in the long term

That's my thoughts. Freeridenick you may feel that the sport needs 'furthering' and that but the SH is a pretty contentious area with a lot of potentially conflicting parties, and doing things like this on private land, without permission, really isn't ideal. It's at least an improvement if they're in more discrete places.

this just feeds the flames.

What flames? 😕

Has it definitely been done without permission then?

Without you know who, there would hardly be any trails...
evian, cochise, etc etc are all built illegally without permission.

the legacy trails are generally shit

just hang around up there until you spot someone digging some new stuff and smack them in the neck with a spade..

an eye for an eye.. it's what the trailbuilders would have wanted with their freedom of self expression ethos..
If they complain, you can always tell them that it's their/they're/there fault, and some people like violence, why should we curtail violence just to please them etc etc

Has it definitely been done without permission then?

Pretty much everything up there worth riding is built without permission.

Everyone knows they are there, on the whole common sense is applied.

I can't believe people are getting their knickers in a twist over some trail evolution & a little jump, that has a chicken line round it.

Reason im putting it on here is because i had NO IDEA that the trail ahead of me had changed..

Were you expecting someone to email you with details of the change?

Eyes open, head up, read the trail in front of you. It's an easy mistake to make when you're familiar with a trail, but i'm not sure the blame sits much further than from where you are sitting/lying.

Sorry to hear you're hurt though, hope you feel better soon.

Jeez people he's not asking for sympathy just giving us a heads up.
Maybe for a little while we will contemplate what's around that corner we ride every day.

Maybe you should recon every trail, every time you ride it. Does anyone in the world do that?

OK, obviously unofficial digging, you can hardly hold to official digging standards. Expecting signs etc isn't realistic. But, they don't have to be dicks about it either. Some of the local diggers have a real thing for digging holes in the blind behind a jump, sometimes it's borrow pits but sometimes you see the spoil's just been tossed aside- the only reason for the hole is to add consequences. (similiarly, throwing debris into the landing area so that if you come up short, you crash) Why would you do that?

So this one sounds a bit like that, digging a hazard for no real reason at all, which is a ****'s trick IMO.

Good point zippy, i was confusing some of the subsequent posts as being the OPs 😳

Sorry!

Without you know who

Yay 😀 ...50 posts in on this thread about the Surrey hills, jumps and injury and 'he' hadn't been mentioned...I was starting to worry standards were slipping around here 😉

All sounds jolly dangerous for mincers like me who still crash a lot 🙁

Get well soon proflexforever

Just because I saw some members of the Hurtwood up there, presumed it would have disappeared if it wasn't legit. I was up there yday as well OP. Was going relatively quick but still managed to see the chicken line on the left so had a stop to check out what the jump was like- tree must have appeared after 7pm when I left after the rain started. Was fairly dark in the woods at that time I guess...To be honest I think they've done a fairly good job compared to most jumps that get put in- at least there's a chicken line

Looks nasty - get well soon.

but i'm not sure the blame sits much further than from where you are sitting/lying

it was my fault....lol

said that 9 times now..

win!!

aye, sorry mate, I did realise my mistake straight away 🙂

but sometimes you see the spoil's just been tossed aside- the only reason for the hole is to add consequences. (similiarly, throwing debris into the landing area so that if you come up short, you crash) Why would you do that?

because people are lazy dicks who in the words of someone I once met are nothing but Car Park Cock Wavers who like to prove how big they are by making stuff like that. The skilled riders will clear it but also not care if there isn't a pit of crap left there.

tree must have appeared after 7pm

there could have been another chicken line up there that i missed all together, as i wasnt planning on taking the chicken line...

PS. STW.....it was my fault... 😉

Stop sanitising trails stop radicalising trails 😆

Ergh you got caught in the rain then? Main chicken line is literally just to the left of the jump/drop but goes up a wee bit to come back down so disrupts the flow quite a bit. I don't know why the gap isn't changed into just a drop though, especially as the second jump isn't great

Next time, I suggest when you are riding a trail & looking ahead and you spot an obvious lip for a jump (it's pretty obvious in this case) you stop & have a quick look to see if there is a gap/snake pit/firey cliff of death/etc on the other side...

Then you can make an assessment whether its within your skillset to clear, push back up the trail & hit it, or just ride round.

Hitting something blind with no idea on the size is pretty special. That being said, you've probably learnt a lesson & feeling the result sadly. Heal up & hit it with a bit more conviction next time, little more speed & you will be fine 🙂

Hitting something blind with no idea on the size is pretty special.

i wasnt riding blind.im not an idiot..if you read the entire thread you would know this
...ive ran this trail loads...i ran it when the jump first appeared a few weeks back..
the huge pit behind the lip(that you cant see nutil your on it) wasnt there when i ran it last time

I like it! Got 6th place down there on Tuesday night...in the dark too! 😉

It has 'evolved' quite a bit as a feature since it was first dug, which I guess is par for the course, but understandable as to why you were caught out.

Next time, I suggest when you are riding a trail & looking ahead and you spot an obvious lip for a jump (it's pretty obvious in this case) you stop & have a quick look to see if there is a gap/snake pit/firey cliff of death/etc on the other side...

Hitting something blind with no idea on the size is pretty special.

i wasnt riding blind.im not an idiot..if you read the entire thread you would know this
...ive ran this trail loads...i ran it when the jump first appeared a few weeks back..
the huge pit behind the lip(that you cant see nutil your on it) wasnt there when i ran it last time

If that's how you 'jumped' it before then, you probably should be going round features like that anyway. You basically dropped off it to flat. The landing starts at ~a bike length out.

If that's your idea of a huge pit, then you best not go near proper jumps.

If that's your idea of a huge pit, then you best not go near proper jumps.

i dont do proper jumps,...i cant jump for shit...but i would of landed it fine if it was the way i remembered it to be..
like i said 11 times now..it was my fault..

dont start criticizing my riding style or lack there of.
that's not what this thread is about

If that's your idea of a huge pit, then you best not go near proper jumps.

Ah now starts the 'who can p*** the furthest' contest...

tyredbiker

its STW i knew it wouldnt take long....

Ah now starts the 'who can p*** the furthest' contest...

ZOMG once Pedal and Spoke heard I cleared the 5ft gap they offered me a Carbon Bronson for free there & then!

but i would of landed

"would have" 😕

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

so now its down to picking holes in peoples grammar..

Glad you didn't break your neck. I came across the "modified" double for the first time on Sunday and minced around it. I haven't had a go at it but would have thought you'd need to be going for it out of the corner to clear it so I'd expect you're not the last person who's going to A&E from this one.