[Closed] Cotic X

That is horrable

yes I am in denial 😥

Not a bad price either. Are the forks available separately?

lovely, what size is that?

That looks very nice. But you should have taken the pic with the bike in the big ring - chain on little ring always looks a bit wrong IMHO.

(OK, there was nothing else to find fault with...)

why are there brake stubs on the fork, but not the frame (or at least, why aren't for fork ones removable like the frame)?

otherwise, very nice!

Lovely gorgeous bike, I've been looking at one for Mrs N.

Paul at Cotic very kindly mocked up a 52cm one in the warehouse as best he could with forks but no headset and wheels but no tyres because I wanted to know the standover.

Don't suppose you could do me a massive favour and measure the standover height on yours at the middle point of the TT please, pretty please? Then tell me what your frame size is so I can scale the measurement down to a 52cm version, as I presume yours is bigger than a 52cm ...it certainly looks it.

I think Paul said the 52cm was 740mm standover without tyres.

Much appreciated.

Gorgeous - how about a test report as there is very little info out there? How heavy, what's it like on the road, what are the disks like, etc. I'm trying to talk myself into getting for 24m round trip commuting on back roads. Thanks

Does look nice, would love a review...esp. re whether it has that nice zingy light steel feel.

Agree with my esteemed pal crazy legs.

I am guessing the forks have stubs cos to get the forks made without would have cost too much/taken too long. Shame though!

I agree with hungry monkey, to me a small detail like unused brake mounts would stop me buying a bike/frame. Other than my OCD it is very nice

Aye, so far so good.

I haven't been able to give it the beans yet because of the ice but where there was traction it felt sprightly for steel. On the road its very much like a roadbike. The disc brake set up is great, far more progressive and reliable than grabby rim brakes. I am looking forward to the benefits of them in the wet, where they will be well worth the extra £75. I was unsure about cable actuated callipers but I have to say they compliment the drop levers alot better than I had hoped.

The frame is a 56cm. I will nip out to the garage and measure the standover height the now.

A word about the compact geometry. This was the main reason I bought this bike as standover is important to me on what is a predominantly, and for me, exclusively an off-road bike. There is a school of thought that believes the traditional geometry of a horizontal top tube for ease of shouldering is the way to go for x bikes, that's not for me though as my last cross bike was traditional geometry which never inspired my confidence. On this bike there is plenty of room to lift the bike and carry it on your shoulder and the twin set of bottle bosses on the down tube keep the seat tube clutter free.

Re the brake bosses. On the rear stays they are obviously removable which leaves cleaner lines if using the disc option. The front, I can only assume is a static arrangement because of the involvement of carbon. Its clean enough for me with the stoppers on the bosses. I doubt I will ever use cantis but its nice to have the option. I certainly wouldnt let it stop me buying it though, and I am a right fussy swine.

Its the best of both worlds, a cross bike that handles like a road bike on the road with mtb geometry. Ideal.

As a B road blaster, toe path, trail centre, cross racing, commuting, training, touring, miles muncher then its hard to beat. Definitely spec the discs though.

The standover height on a 56 cm shod with 35mm Conti cross race tyres from floor to the top of the middle of the tt is 800mm. Hope that helps.

Edit: The only thing I would say in terms of constructive critique is that I would prefer the gear cable routing travel along the top tube instead of the down tube which picks up all the cack. Other than that Im happy. 8)

Not along the tt because road front mechs are all bottom pull...

Is the rear hub 135mm?

The standover height on a 56 cm shod with 35mm Conti cross race tyres from floor to the top of the middle of the tt is 800mm. Hope that helps.

Thanks v much, Merak, that's a great help and much appreciated.

Enjoy the >X<

i do like that, but why the lack of roadhog style front right brake mounting?

Cos it's a cx not a touring bike...

the hog mount was to stop the hub coming out under braking (easily avoidable by other means) and must in fact inhibit mounting of a front rack.

I'd guess it's to make it look more acceptable.

clubber - Member

Cos it's a cx not a touring bike...

Stupid , Useless answer

cynic-al - Member

the hog mount was to stop the hub coming out under braking (easily avoidable by other means) and must in fact inhibit mounting of a front rack.

I'd guess it's to make it look more acceptable.

Useful answer

Not stupid as it's still right I just didn't include the full explanation as I thought people knew the rack mounting reason for the roadway reversed disc mount. You're welcome 😉

[url= http://road.cc/content/review/28748-cotic-x-weekday ]Review, from the other place[/url]. He's very critical of the handling.

I thought people knew the rack mounting reason for the roadway reversed disc mount.

Uh? How does that make it a tourer? A tourer you can't fit racks to?

The roadrat being the tourer or at least able to tour on with a front rack. Hence the reversed mount on it but not on the X which doesn't need to accommodate a front rack.

Ok further reading suggests that the reasons are first to prevent the wheel popping out and second to allow mudguard mounting which is what I was thinking of... 😳

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My local dealer suggested one of these but couldn't say what sort of maximum tyre size would fit. I don't want to race but do want to bung a big tyre in. What sort of clearance is there. Much space around your 35's?

There's a review of the Cotic X on Road.cc. They weren't too impressed.

I was considering the >X< for next season, but the road.cc review has stopped me in my tracks.

Might take my focus back to Paul Milnes, Ragley or Kinesis....

Hmm.

I really can't imagine why anyone would want a steel cyclocross bike (assuming it will actually be used for 'cross).

Why not finbar?

Would the extra 1/2lb take them from 53rd to 55th place?

cynic-al

Why not finbar?

Would the extra 1/2lb take them from 53rd to 55th place?

Agreed. Scoring a top 20 place is as high as I will get in a x race despite my best efforts. I wont be winning any races so the need for a carbon weight weenie is negated. Its not [i]that[/i] heavy tbf.

I honestly cant say I have experienced the same woolliness expressed so succinctly in the road cc review. I would consider myself a subjective reviewer. I have lots of bikes, all different flavours and materials and geometry's. I went for the Sunday build which irons out many of the reviewers misgivings but, the steering detachment mentioned is not something I would agree with?

Mark you, I have the stem the right way round, that might have something to do with it. 😀

Why not finbar?

Would the extra 1/2lb take them from 53rd to 55th place?

I dunno, i just don't see any advantages. Heavier, no cheaper than alu, risk of rust.