[Closed] Correct Chainlength For 1x9 Setup?

Simple answer is as short as possible.

Remove as many links as you can, get that chain nice and tight. If you remove too many, add one back in.

No magic formula or anything, just as short as you can get it.

Best and most trusted 1x9 chain length calculator I've used is -

Shift the bike into 1st.
Remove shock spring/air from shock.
Compress the suspension.
Fit the chain, add or remove links until the mech is almost at full stretch.

If its 1x9 on a hardtail then

Shift the bike into 1st.
Fit the chain, add or remove links until the mech is almost at full stretch.

job done.

been using this method for 10 years

you will find if you "guess" the chian length the chain maybe too short this will have a massive effect on suspension action. the chain may stop the bike getting full travel. leading to snapped chains or at worse ripped off mech hangers from frames. too slack and the chain will flap around all over the place

large to large, not thru the mech and 2 links. If its a full susser compress the suspension to the point chaingrowth is greatest

simple and just works

the old rubish add two links rule what a load of balls

Cheers i had a feeling it may be done by the big/big combination. Its on a hardtail so no suspension gubbins to worry about 😉

14 foot 6.

I use the following method...

Wrap the chain round your chain ring cog (without going through rear mech. Then around the largest cog on the cassette, note where they meet add +3 for shimano chains without quick link and +2 + quick link for KMC/SRAM chains.

always worked for me.

the old rubish add two links rule what a load of balls

just out of interest why is it balls? what 'should' I be doing?

just out of interest why is it balls? what 'should' I be doing?

doesn't take into account mech length.

Nothing wrong with the add 2 links rule & no reason it shouldn't work on a 1 x 9 set up just as well. Been building & fettling bikes for nearly 40 years & always worked for me.

add two links is how I have done all my bikes for many years, it ensures the chain is as short as possible

Should be using a short cage mech on a 1 x 9 set up anyway

Should be using a short cage mech on a 1 x 9 set up anyway

not all people do

why does the mech length make a difference?

why does the mech length make a difference?

think about it......

more or less chain passing through the mech depending on the mech length. adding two links maybe too much for a short cage mech - leading to incorrect chain length
and maybe too short for a long cage mech leading to incorrect chain length

@ Greeble, thanks for the explanation. But i thought adding in the 2 extra links accomodates the rear mech? I actually add 3 as this is what it said to do in a book I had. 3 for shimano and 2+ quick link for chains with quick link.

Cheers Dicky... I'll stick to what i know then.

don't agree greeble - the mech length makes no odds at all - + two links works fine for a long cage and if you go short cage you would not want the chain any shorter

+ 2 links we know works for a long cage mech on a 3 x 9 or whatever setup, with a 1 x 9 setup the overall tooth capacity is smaller so a mtb short cage mech can be used & because of the length of the mech a shorter chain might be able to be used - I would go with +2 links, try it & if too long take another link out (easier to remove 1 than add 1 afterall)

TJ, you're talking tripe again

Mech length of course makes a difference. Shorter cage mech is going to have less chain running through it...

Trying to use a formula to work out chain length isnt perfect. Just shorten it to as short as it can go, whilst still being able to get every gear. If you shorten it too much, add a link back in...

Mboy - sorry I don't see it - when in big / big the chain is almost straight along its bottom run - the short road mech and the long mtb mech I have are both the same and taking another link out would make the chain too short on the road mech despite it being much shorter mech - its still big / big + two links is the shortest chain possible

Edit - the plus 2 links is not a good start for 1 x 9, the formula for 3 x 9 is big to big plus 2 links is only okay because you should never actually ride big to big. Setting up a 1 x 9 in the same manner will prob result in too short a chain when riding on the largest sprocket.

Edit - the plus 2 links is not a good start for 1 x 9, the formula for 3 x 9 is big to big plus 2 links is only okay because you should never actually ride big to big. Setting up a 1 x 9 in the same manner will prob result in too short a chain when riding on the largest sprocket.

Hense why this...

Best and most trusted 1x9 chain length calculator I've used is -

Shift the bike into 1st.
Remove shock spring/air from shock.
Compress the suspension.
Fit the chain, add or remove links until the mech is almost at full stretch.

If its 1x9 on a hardtail then

Shift the bike into 1st.
Fit the chain, add or remove links until the mech is almost at full stretch.

works best

Plus 2 links does not produce too short a chain on a 1x9 - it makes one exactly the right length - 2 bikes I have set up like that

Plus 2 links does not produce too short a chain on a 1x9 - it makes one exactly the right length - 2 bikes I have set up like that

keep kidding yourself

greeble - I have had two bikes running 1x9 with chain setup to big / big plus two links using long cage mechs and it is perfect

TJ - sounds like your mech is near horizontal when in biggest sprocket which aint right in my book

Yup - thats right - as short a chain as possible is best in my book. Less chain slap / less chance of the chain coming of.

http://sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html#chain

i thought you were a big fan of a granny ring TJ, or is that on other bikes?

The 1x9s are / were commuters. (one got nicked)

I agree with the general consensus but be careful when setting up a full suspension bike as the longest effective chain length on many bikes, including mine as I found out to my cost, is not at either end of the travel but about 1/3rd of the way through. My bike has a VPP link system so the path of the rear wheel is backwards and then up in a sort of C shape. As a result there needs to be enough slack in the chain to allow for the suspension to follow its path.

Plus 2 links does not produce too short a chain on a 1x9 - it makes one exactly the right length - 2 bikes I have set up like that

tried that on my 29er with a short cage mech and it was way to short..

What have i started?? 😆 😆
Its an old school M952 long cage mech

Its an old school M952 long cage mech

Oooh, if you want a tatty, but functional, short cage version of the same, I still have one kicking about somewhere I think from when I ditched 9spd to go to 10spd. Short cage definitely helps reduce chain slap and aids keeping the chain on in a single ring setup.

Just checked mine & with the rear mech as taught as I'd be prepared to go (ie still making a S shape in the chain) mine is just about big to big plus 3.25 links with a short MTB mech - on a hardtail frame.

this is pretty much how I did mine.

holy mother of erroneous thread resurrection batmen..

this method of largest chainring and largest cassette cog +2 is for a 3x9 set-up yeah..? Where you'll never be in largest/largest..?

so..
how do we find the correct chain length for a 1x9 set-up..?

or a 2x9 set-up for that matter..?

I took Mrs Yunki's bike to an LBS that I haven't used before recently, and they gave me her bike back with a ridiculously short chain.. brought about by using the 3x9 method on a 2x9 set-up..

I'm about to fit a chain on a 1x9 set-up and would like some sound advice please.. 🙂

On my HT with a 32t front & a 36t rear with a normal (probably long) XT mech I'm on "big/big +3" and it works just fine for me

Yunki - listen to greeble.

TJ was talking pish yet again

On my 2x9 I use big,big +3 then add a powerlink.

My 1x9 is probably about the same.

"brought about by using the 3x9 method on a 2x9 set-up.."
So?

TJ is right no?

If you were setting up 3x9, ignoring full suss extensions for the minute, youd go big big (not through r.mech) and overlap 1pair/2links(inner+outer) and chop chain, to make sure it shifts properly (sometimes youll get away with 1.5links or so overlap (3/4pair)

If you were setting up (bash+)2x9 or 1x9, you still go biggest-biggest (not through r.mech) + 1pair/2links(inner+outer) overlap and then chop chain

Cage length makes no difference to chain length
No you shouldnt ride big-big for cross chain inefficienencies, but setup right you can ride big-big
With 1x9 and/or short cage mech as it wont slap around the same as a long cage on a 1x9 setup you want the chain as short as possible but still want all your 1x9 gears
In biggest-biggest in both 3x9 and 1x9 the mech will be almost flat/parallel with the chainstay. The 1pair of links/2links(inner+outer) makes up for this almost straight bit

This is my about 0.5 link length(~0.2 pair of links length) overlapped SS
If it had a proper at least 1pair of links length/ 2 links length(inner+outer) overlap it would run properly with no tightness
Being Singlespeed its in biggest-biggest, so mech is almost flat. The cage length would make no difference to what length the chain should be:
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(mech is too worn for geared use, and actually its a 2x1 .. but 22T ring is only for 'emergencies')

"+3 then add a powerlink"
?
I see, then you only need overlap '+1' and add a powerlink, as these 2 makes up your 1pair links length/2links length(inner+outer)

Hmm, I think what Ive written will read quite confusingly

I get the impression there is some confusion through this thread (other than whether cage length makes a difference to minium chain length) as describing length of chain regarding length
It seems 2 links means 4 chain pins worth of lenght to some, 1pair of links means 1 chainpins worth of length to others and 1 pair of links is 2 chainpins worth of length to some more ..

No TJ and now You too are wrong.

Why?
I dont get why cage length makes a difference to how short you can get your chain
Somebody tell me what Im missing here, I could be missing something, but I dont see?