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So when cornering do you:-
1. Lean more than the bike
2. Keep the bike and your body in a line
3. Lean the bike more than your body
4. Crash
3 but it varies I was told
It varies dependent upon speed, camber and radius of the corner.
corners?! they sound dangerous.
1. Lean more than the bike when there are hikers/horse riders about
2. Keep the bike and your body in a line on bermed corners
3. Lean the bike more than your body most of the time
Depends on your tyres.
5. Skid round them 🙂
HOw many teenage girls are watching?
6. avoid corners (as i've already mentioned, they sound dangerous!) go in a straight line until you end up back on the trail. if trees get in the way then stop slowly and safely using your brakes and call an adult for advice.
[edit] phils advice is far better!
I don't know. Jedi implanted some sort of control mechanism so he gets me round corners, I have no control or understanding of how or indeed why, I just do.
what happened to foot out flat out?
It was pointed out to me that I lean myself more than the bike and it was suggested that as an excercise I should try to feel the seatpost on my inside leg to try and force a lean out of the bike
Tell you what, it works. It initially felt or wrong, but as a new age 'bike leaner' I feel more confident now
7. Adjust Go-Pro
8. Before every corner ,always shout " WATCH THIS"
3, and sometimes 2 if the camber is very positive
It depends on how tall you are
Guys with lower centre of gravities, can and often have to throw their weight around more.
Peaty on the other hand moves the bike around underneath him more than a lot of shorter riders.
There's no right or wrong way, it's about what works best for you.
There's no right or wrong way, it's about what works best for you.
1. Lean more than the bike
2. Keep the bike and your body in a line
3. Lean the bike more than your body
Given these option. You are definitely wrong Bwaarp.
8. Before every corner ,always shout " WATCH THIS"
Snort.
6a. avoid corners - ride in the peak district...
Pedal as fast as possible staring at the spot of ground 6 inches ahead of the front wheel, at the point of corner entry wiggle bars randomly and see what happens. If the outcome is desirable i.e. you make it out of the corner pointing roughly where the exit is remember what you did for the next corner.
6a. avoid corners - ride in the peak district...
Well if you stick to the loops published in MBR, yes 😛
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www.vimeo.com/41343426
Please tell me this is you and is posted without a hint of irony? It's made my day!
Shout SPEEDWAY and just nail it - it works for me sometimes..! ha
without a hint yes
it is on other threads also
It's all about tyre grip apparently
If you lean the bike more than you, your weight will be more over the edges of the tyres, hence helping them 'dig in' and grip.
If you lean with the bike, or more than the bike, there is no weight over the tyres and they won't grip so well, so can wash out.
Obviously, if the corner has a good camber or berm you don't need to pressure the edges of the tyre so much as they won't leaning in relation to the ground surface.
Go and see Jedi.
Given these option. You are definitely wrong Bwaarp.
I'll go and find the video where peaty explains this, but I suppose you know more than a world cup downhiller? Oh but Jedi told you so....obviously he's right.
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Bwaarp -
1) Does he say lean more than the bike?
2) Watch a load of footage of 'The Don' and tell me what you actually see him doing. 1m25s is pretty insightful.
No this isn't superbikes, I wasn't talking about leaning more than the bike was I? Very few people are going to be cornering like they're riding a WSB bike.
However if you notice before 1:25, on the small jumps with the berms, you can notice "The Don" is leaning more than his bike into the berm and generally chucking his weight into it. Some people lean their bikes over more and stay more upright in that situation, at the moment I'm still working out what works best for me. I personally feel as though at entry into the corner I get a quicker corner entry and direction change going "The Don" on it, but have better mid-corner grip if I don't.
As long as you don't go to far one way, it's all about what works for you as that fundamentals video repeatedly states.
"The Don" is leaning more than his bike into the berm
yes, because he has the berm to lean against, on all other non-bermed corners in the section on cornering they have their outside foot down and the bike is leaning more, with their outside knee kicked in - which seems to be a pretty standard technique amongst top riders.
I would generally go off how he says he rides as opposed to 10 seconds of footage....even off those 10 seconds of footage you can see he leans more aggressively than peaty....at 1:25 he is not leaned over more than the bike but he still moves around on top of the bike a hell of a lot more than peaty. The same goes some of the other Elite riders as well.
Yeti, took my words out of context. There's a lot of shit spouted on here about riding technique, as if there is one hard and fast rule. They tend to be the same people who spend their entire race weekend (if they're not trail centre warriors) banging on about lines, who then get trounced by riders who just do what feels right to them.
What I find interesting is that on a motorbike there clearly is a right and wrong way; you need to lean further than the bike to move the CofG as far as possible while keeping the bike as upright as possible. It's surprising that there isn't a right and wrong way on a bicycle.
FWIW I lean with the bike or a bit further, leaning the bike more than me just feels wrong (although it didn't before I started riding motor bikes).
What I find interesting is that on a motorbike there clearly is a right and wrong way; you need to lean further than the bike to move the CofG as far as possible while keeping the bike as upright as possible. It's surprising that there isn't a right and wrong way on a bicycle.
What I find even more interesting is that when you look at the difference in the riding technique between Rossi and Stoner (an ex dirt bike racer) there clearly is not to a certain extent always a right and wrong way.
I would generally go off how he says he rides as opposed to 10 seconds of footage
what a person says he does and what he actually does are not necessarily the same thing - all I can see is him, and other top riders, predominantly riding with the bike being worked beneath their bodies, with their outside foot down on corners, unless they have a berm to support them or the corner is so short they don't have time and they don't need the grip.
what a person says he does and what he actually does are not necessarily the same thing - all I can see is him, and other top riders, predominantly riding with the bike being worked beneath their bodies, with their outside foot down on corners, unless they have a berm to support them or the corner is so short they don't have time and they don't need the grip.
So you are calling peaty a liar?
No I can definitely see a difference between say Peaty, Neil, or Sam Hill.
BTW: Putting your foot down on the outside stands the bike more upright and is used mostly for fast flat corners or off camber sections. In other places not limited to just berms it can be a hindrance.
on a motor bike it is going to be different as the bike is a lot heavier than you - maybe your extra lean helps put more grip on the edge of the tyre to counteract the cornering forces wanting to break the tyre away from the surface.
on a mountain bike you are the heaviest bit, so keeping you weight above the tyres helps them grip, putting it inside the tyres means they are more likely to break away as you turn.
Have you not thought that an increased contact patch when stood further upright might help to counterbalance some of that and that say quicker line direction might make up for some of the lost grip in terms of time on a track.
My brain's totally wired to lean with the bike, right into the corner, after too many years on motorbikes, and though I'm basically sympathetic to "whatever works, as long as you're having fun", it's still a crap way to go round a corner on a mountain bike.
No whatever works is what makes you put in faster lap times on a race run.
Some people say you should have no weight on the handlebars. I put in much faster runs, with very flat, wide handlebars which cause me to weight up the front of the bike more. When I switched to that style of riding it meant more arm pump but I've gotten used to it, it wore off after a while.
Some people, really hate that style of riding and are faster riding the back a bit more. I won't berate them for it.
However there's a fine line though between poor riding technique that is just plain wrong and having a different style.
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BTW: Putting your foot down on the outside stands the bike more upright and is used mostly for fast flat corners or off camber sections. In other places not limited to just berms it can be a hindrance.
Now that's just rubbish, I taught myself to corner better by taking the BMX out with slick tyres to a grassy field and repeatedly doing laps turning as hard as possible at the bottom, after a few attempts I was leaning the bike over so far the inside pedal dug in, a few more goes after that I was going round the corner with one foot on the outside pedal and the other on the saddle (which at least makes bailing easy!).
Most riders lean the bike over further than they do so that as it slips it stays under them, then as they tyres grip again they don't get high sided. If you hang off the bike like a (tarmac) motorbike then as it loses grip it tries to get away from you, then when it regains grip it high sides you off into the gravel. So tucking your weight inside the bike works well when there's masses of predictable grip, not so good when the grip runs out (i.e. 90% of the time off road where one or the other wheel is probably gonna slip a bit on very corner)
when stood further upright
but that is what I am saying, sort of.
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/video-how-to-corner-with-bike-riders-united-32490/
on that link peat is showing how to corner with the outside foot down (on a flat corner), which is consistently what nearly every coach or rider says.
The point of the outside foot down is to put more weight on the outside of the leaned bike, to keep the weight above the tyre edge and so biting into the ground.
The more the turn, the more the bike is lean't the more weight gets put on the outside pedal - - you can see the some riders turn their hips into the corner but seem to slide the hip outward, putting even more weight over the outside edge.
see this page, which has piccies of peat.
http://www.leelikesbikes.com/cornering-why-are-their-butts-out.html
Now that's just rubbish, I taught myself to corner better by taking the BMX out with slick tyres to a grassy field and repeatedly doing laps turning as hard as possible at the bottom, after a few attempts I was leaning the bike over so far the inside pedal dug in, a few more goes after that I was going round the corner with one foot on the outside pedal and the other on the saddle (which at least makes bailing easy!).
Throughout this entire descent, where do you see Sam Hill put his outside foot down? Do you put your outside foot down round every corner? That my friend is a mincers mistake.