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wow...nine pages, might as well get my tuppence in.
There is no way on earth I would consider a 'copy' frame. As someone pointed out way back on page one if someone is happy to infinge the law then lets face it, they're probably not to be trusted when it comes to rigourous testing of their product. Yes it might be safe, but do I want that lingering shred of doubt in the back of my mind at 40 miles an hour? I care far to much about my pretty face...
Don't care in the slightest about the 'morality' of it if I'm honest. Yes I'm sure counterfeiting funds crime, harms genuine companies etc etc. But if I was to take a moral stance on everything I bought then I wouldn't be able to buy much, least not from Apple, Amazon, Nike, Nestle, shell, Bp, RBS etc etc etc. Crooks the lot of them.
Back to sunnies, I bought some old stock oakleys, they were fake, wrong markings on the inside of the arm, and had failed a UV test at the local opticians.
The eBay tosser selling them insisted they were real and threatened me with legal action for pointing it out to him. So I would conclude people who deal in fakes are tossers, be it frames or sunnies.
An old girlfriend of mine went to Thailand for a while, and brought me back the best hat I've ever owned..
A cotton bucket hat, hand stitched, kinda beige and blue, but very natural, earthy tones..
Reversible, with the Nike logo on one side and Adidas the other..
I hope this goes some way to clearing up some of the issues raised in this thread..
I hope this goes some way to clearing up some of the issues raised in this thread..
How's about "Cervelo" on one side and "Pinarello" on the other?
Back to those points made by Specialized. It's nothing but PR drivel. Yes, they recalled thousands of Tarmacs, but what the hell were they doing letting so much dodgy product leave the factory?
I'd put my house on the fact that there was a "Ford Pinto-esque" meeting between company accountants, engineers and number crunchers before any recall was made!
And all these horror stories that their PR mill keeps churning out, where are all these people with broken teeth? Are Ribble, Planet X, Onix and all the other UK brands that sell generic "open mould" Chinese frames getting queues of gravel-rashed, toothless and irate customers bringing back frames with catastrophic failures?
No. And that one frame that consistently and regularly appears on forums due to catastrophic failures, is the Specialized Roubaix! I wouldn't have one given!
Yunki... Do you mean a girlfriend who is old, or a previous girlfriend? Also how long was she there? Nice description of the hat though.
shibboleth... These product recalls are part of the US legal system. It only takes one failure for the whole batch to be recalled. They know where they went and even contact specific dealers. I was recently told I sold a recall fork 4 years ago, and have tracked down my customer.
It's not optional, covering it up is illegal... Probably due to the ford exploding car disgrace you reference.
Specialized recalled everything after less than ten failures. Why so many failed specialized bikes, because there are so many out there.
When can I collect the keys for your house? 😉
The ribbles Planet X etc.... Surely they passed EC failure testing before being sold here? And would be recalled if a fault occurred. So different to rip off cervelos direct from china.
Charlie, the conversation goes a bit further than the "rip off cervelos" you mention (assuming you're referring to stickered counterfeits). We're also talking about unbranded but structural rip-offs and "open mould" bikes which are made by the same suppliers as some of the "stickered counterfeits" but are also imported by reputable UK dealers.
And if Spesh recalled after "less than 10 failures", how come there are so many Roubaixs that snap at the seat-stay Zertz inserts plastered all over the t'interweb, yet Spesh hasn't recalled them all since 2004?
When can I collect the keys for your house?
We all know that conversation will have taken place... 😉
The ribbles Planet X etc.... Surely they passed EC failure testing before being sold here? And would be recalled if a fault occurred. So different to rip off cervelos direct from china.
You'd think so wouldn't you. When my mates Ribble forks broke they told him to er, get on his bike. So much concern for the customers re-arranged face!