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Plucking an example purely at random, let’s say a copper plated headtube badge. If I don’t treat it any differently to the rest of the bike (infrequent washing of anything other than drivetrain) will it go green or brown?

I’m guessing if I keep rubbing my dirty paws over it, it’ll go brown, but if I leave alone so it’s just exposed to air and water (and UK slop and grime, obvs.) it’ll go green.

What do you reckon?


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 2:32 pm
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Most likely "statue of liberty" green. But be careful of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 2:53 pm
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Green oxidation is actually really hard to achieve - all copper stuff I've seen on bikes has ended up more of a mottled brown colour. Not unpleasant, but certainly not Statue of Liberty colour.


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 2:55 pm
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polish and lacquer?


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:01 pm
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i was expecting a nice fit young lady in a uniform on a bike...!
I'll be off now then.


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:03 pm
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Don't forget you'd also get black/brown/green streaks running down the headtube form the badge as it weathered as well.


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:12 pm
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To be honest, I'd be just as happy with either. I'm speaking to Geoff Moorhouse about designing a badge. I started off assuming it would go brown, then thought "Hold on, what if it goes green? The rest of the bike's going to be a painted a [i]different[/i] green. Where's the contrast? Should I reverse the design?" etc etc.

I think I'll just go with it and see what happens. Might be quite interesting to see how it progresses.

That's a pretty low level of interest, spread thinly and sporadically over several years, in case you're worried about how much I've got going on in my life. - It's a step up, though, isn't it: "That's about as interesting as watching copper oxidise."


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:18 pm
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bb - think I'd prefer dark brown to bright copper. Or at least bright copper slowly darkening.

lard - ho ho.

pinkster - should wipe off the lacquer, I reckon?. It'll be only part copper plated anyway. (maybe)


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:21 pm
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Make sure it's fixed well, some undesirable may have it away so he can swap it for fags at the local scrappy.


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:34 pm
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It will go brown.

New 1p and 2p peices have been copper plated steel, rather than bronze, for a few years now.

Lots of dirty brown coins not many green ones.

Verdigris takes a long time to form and it soluble in water so would probably wash off as its formed on an MTB


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:36 pm
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rich - true about coins, I figured finger dirt and grease promote brown oxidisation, and coins don't usually stay wet for long. Water solubility though: church roofs see plenty of rain, though, and the green doesn't wash off?


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:44 pm
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I'll put together a photo diary and post the results in 5 years' time.

Don't hold your breaths...


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 3:46 pm
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Recent chemistry graduate here....and I've got no idea. I'm gonna say brown though.


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 7:50 pm
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Brown.

We have copper coating kit at work and steel items have been known to get dipped on nightshift. They go brown after a bit.

But I did polish an exhaust manifold after coating and it looked fabulous.

Maybe I should do my P7


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 7:54 pm
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I thought some google image searching would help.

Here's the "Blow me down, would you believe it?" moment:

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And after scrolling down to the method, here's the "Ha. Well, yes I would." moment:

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Posted : 11/09/2012 8:46 pm
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scott, clicky for more:

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Posted : 11/09/2012 8:49 pm
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there was a frame builder at last years Bespoked who did copper coating on frame parts. Went brown and looked very cool.


 
Posted : 11/09/2012 8:57 pm