ive got a 9mm rws bolt thru on my full sus and wondered if i can get adaptors to make my hope pro 2 front hub to take 9mm bolt thru . cheers
Drill the QR adaptors out with a 9mm drill.
i thought of this but dont have a vice a drill or indeed any technical ability im limited to shooting guns and putting out fires lol
I asked hope. They don't make them, but said they'd consider it if there's enough demand.
So send them an email, let them know the demand is out there.
You'd need a lathe to drill them out properly, if it's not perfectly concentric you'll get disc wear issues.
Also, there's not much (5mm each side) left to support the wheel on the skewer, so with bigger discs at least you end up with some wear on the skewer (from pics I've seen). If/when I get around to making some, I'd also turn some spacers on a lathe to spread the load better.
ive just mailed hope. cant be that hard for them to do can it lol
betd would probably knock something up. Don't know what the cost would be though.
Guys on MTBR have machined/lathed the ProII QR adapters to suit but agreed, it's not really a suitable long term solution.
i got the engineers in my work to drill them out on the pillar drill, but they fuct it up!
i really wish hope would make some
ive emailed em too
I reckon we should also email Hope suggesting they offer a competing 9mm axle... RWS is pretty good but quite expensive. However, for the riders out there who can't afford (or don't want) to change their forks to bolt through but who have ProII hubs, 9mm bolt through is a great interim or permanent solution that is significantly better than a normal QR.
Now where's that email address for Hope...
A 9mm wouldn't even need to be QR. They could just make a nutted (at one end) thru axle in alu like you get at the back end of DH bikes. Nice and light and would do the job.
Exactly. I reckon there's space in the market for a cheap, simple and robust alternative to DT's RWS, especially if ProII (and Bulb) adapters were available.
sounds good, I will email them also.
Just a thought but you could buy one of the on-one 456 front hubs which are 9mm and come with a 9mm QR skewer. I got mine for £25 but I've seen they are going for £15 in the current sale. Even if you throw away the hub (!) you still get a 9mm skewer a lot cheaper than a DT RWS. I've got the hub and skewer on some Revelations and because of the wide clamping area it seems to stiffen the fork up significantly.
I got a 456 hub today, but I only paid £10 for it (its now 15). The 20mm to 9mm adaptor unscrews - I am hoping it will fit into the 20mm pro2 conversion.
The 20mm should arrive tomorrow, so I will let you know if it works or not.
It won't work with the Hope adaptors immediately, but I am going to get the machined down at work.
The 456 hub obviously needs adaptors to go from 9mm to QR
got any pictures of the on-one adaptors and skewer? as I am tempted to put a 9mm axle on one of my bikes.
Has anyone tried the DT 9mm adaptors in a Pro II?
I've managed to get hold of some converters and Im using these axles/quick releases
Seems quite stiff, but easy to take the wheel in and out but the axles are quite heavy.
Can't I just drill out the QR adapters on my ProII?
yes, but they have to be square or else the wheel will be wonky, and people aren't sure if the small surface area of the drilled out adapter will wear through the 9mm axle.
Hence it's worth emailing hope to let them know that there is a demand for these adapters.
It really does seem like a silly gap in the market here that no one is paying attention to,
using QRs based on road biking standard is crazy when dropouts will take a larger and stiffer axle
especially in these financially unsure times
i wish i could afford 150 quids worth of new lowers and then new brakes and hub adaptors to fit a QR15s
i managed to track down a 10mm/ 9mm QR axle set from ebay US about half the price of 1 rws skewer
ive upgraded my back end but (pro II) but cant upgrade the front
surely hope could do some of their excellent QR skewers in 9 and 10mm in a kit with adaptors for their hubs
let a lot of folks upgrade their older bikes and swipe some business away from the very expensive DTswiss
even a tube 15mm external and 9mm internal would let you use the qr 15 adaptors with your 9mm axle
right im off to email BETD and see what they say!
scu98rkr, where did you get the converters from? It wasn't the set that was sold in the classifieds on here was it?
I found them on ebay. Chumba were selling loads of them but they seem to have stopped now.
This was the link
To be honest I wish I'd brought a second pair cant find them anywhere now.
i got the same chumba QRs and they are ace!
ive emailed betd and hope but no replies yet
...so are those 456 hubs any stiffer then? I might get one in the sale for a rainy day.
here are some NC17 10mm qr
[url= http://www.bike-mailorder.de/shop/MTB/Laufraeder/Schnellspanner/NC-17-10mm-Schnellspanner::11406.html ]link[/url]
and i think they are the same as these
[url= http://www.bike-mailorder.de/shop/MTB/Laufraeder/Schnellspanner/NC-17-10mm-Schnellspanner::11406.html ]crc[/url]
tho it seems that since the chumba ones have disapeared you cant get any 9mm from QRS unles you wanna pay dtswiss prices
I think if you're going to bother with 9mm front/10mm rear axles then they need to have something other than a regular QR lever to clamp them or you're not really going to gain that much. Clamping force is as important as axle stiffness. I'd settle for a really simply nut/bolt style arrangement myself...
using a 10mm QR on my rear end was noticeably stiffer over a regular QR
at least on my kona dawg
yeah I think it would be best it some one could cheaply produce them with just a allen key end.
Nut a bolt is annoying as you have to carry a spanner as well as allen keys.
They should do it like a lot of DH axles:
One end has a hole drilled thru the cross section, so you can slide any old allen key into it to hold it steady, then the other end can be an allen bolt.
erm just got this back from hope??
We make a 9mm conversion for our Pro 2 hubs to suit the DT axle. These
are available through all good bike shops.
Customer Service
Hope Technology
Fernbank Mill
Fernbank Avenue
Barnoldswick
Lancashire
BB18 5UX
Hmm When I've emailed them they said they didnt any idea of price ?
They're not on Wiggle, at least they weren't the other day.
do they mean a standard one. Ive not had a reply but cant find any info or links to a nine mil one
Yeah, I've seen their QR adapters listed as 9mm in places, cos they fit a 9mm dropout.
I can machine(using a lathe) out your QR bits to 9mm and 10mm on the rear if needed, have done it with bulb hubs.
Email me if you want it doing
We make a 9mm conversion for our Pro 2 hubs to suit the DT axle. These
are available through all good bike shops.
Hmmm, never seen them listed anywhere before now! And contradicting answers to others... think someone's got confused about normal QR adapters.
heres the email i sent to them....
[i]Hi was wondering if you guys had any plans to make any 9mm qr adaptors for your hubs
cant afford an upgrade of new lowers or new forks but ive got hold of a 9mm QR axle
even a metal tube with 15mm external and 9mm internal diameter would let me run the axle with some qr 15 adaptors, but at a weight penalty i suppose
infact if you made some of your QR axles in oversize 9mm and sold them with adaptors to fit your hubs i reckon you would make a killing and probably swipe some business from dtswiss too as their RWS skewers are nice but very pricey
cheers
Chris
[/i]
Just back from the LBS - no 9mm adapters listed in their latest Hope catalogue.
I think I'll just drill out my QR adapters (with a pillar drill), and get some more if it f*cks up.
I got the same email from Hope so they must be out there. Unfortunately they aren't doing any adapters for Bulbs tho.
the normal qr is nine mil where as the rws is nine mil bolt thru. I think the guy who replied got mixed up. I asked about the bolt thru but have had no reply. Im assuming as thats cos they dont make em. That or they are in foxes pocket with the fifteen mil axle lol they might be mid design on a rws rival we can but hope 🙂
the normal qr is nine mil where as the rws is nine mil bolt thru. I think the guy who replied got mixed up. I asked about the bolt thru but have had no reply. Im assuming as thats cos they dont make em. That or they are in foxes pocket with the fifteen mil axle lol they might be mid design on a rws rival we can but hope 🙂
does the on one thru hub just have a nine mil qr thru axle same as dt rws or is it different. And would it work in my dt nine mil hub cheers
Pretty sure the On One works the same as the DT design.
I think the questions to Hope have not been sufficiently clear about wanting a 9mm bolt through, hence the responses sent back.
No reason why a 9mm bolt through couldn't work for front Hope XC and Hope Bulb hubs either, I'd have thought that might be a big market for people who have those wheels but don't want/can't afford a new 15 or 20mm bolt through fork.
Ive just mailed hope again.....
[i]Hi
I have looked but cant find any
do you have any links?
just to clarify
Im looking for a 9mm thru axle adaptor not a 5mm QR one?
cheers
Chris[/i]
basically my plan is to pester them into making me some custom 9mm thru axle adaptors
Yes, clearly the current three front end standards (not including Maverick and the like....) are not enough 🙄
ive just heard back from hope they say they do now make one but its that new its not in the catalogue but if i order from my lbs they will arrive 🙂 so fingers crossed ive ordered a set i shall see what turns up lol
To hopefully answer the question about the One-one hub, it is a 9mm through axle (ie a 9mm thick bar) but with a QR cam closure, a bit like the chumba ones mentioned above. It's not a normal QR skewer which is (I think) a 5mm thick bar that runs through a 9mm axle sleeve. As the ends of the hub that clamp up against the drop outs are quite wide it just seems to make a stiffer interface than a normal QR hub. If you need a new wheel and don't have bolt through forks then the On-one hub seems to be a better alternative than the normal QR in my opinion. The one I'm talking about is called "On-One 456 Front Hub 32h Black with 9mm skewer" on the On-one web site.
cheers dicky i was just thinking of buying an on one hub for the bolt thru as its cheaper than an rws bolt
walleater - Member
Yes, clearly the current three front end standards (not including Maverick and the like....) are not enough
yeah but no but... this uses the existing dropouts and 'std' QR hub, increasing the stiffness for the price of an 9mm bolt through QR, and hub converters. So potentially £30, a bargain, sounds great to me
Firestarter, any chance Hope suppplied a part number?
no afraid not mate i wil post on here if they turn up 🙂
9mm Q/R and bolt in front [url= http://www.fireeye-bike.com/hub_excelerant_f920t.htm ]hub[/url]
The one specializedneeds posted is the same as the on one hub.
Here is a picture of the adaptor that comes with it. I was going to have the hope 20mm adaptors machined down so I could fit the one one adaptor - but I haven't got round to measuring up yet.
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this is what hope said about teh new 9mm adaptors..
[i]They will not be advertised on websites, they are a brand new item. You
will need to custom order one through your LBS.[/i]
yipeeeeeeee!
Has anyone managed to get one yet?
still waiting on lbs for mine
spoke to my lbs and asked him to order me one monday... looked very confused about what I wanted though 8)
I've asked 18 to get me one, not sure if they can or not yet
anyone got one?
Well that's sorted, half a dozen people on an internerd forum is easily enough interest for Hope to design and tool up for making a new accessory.
st when i spoke to them they had already mate it it just wasnt in the new catalogue. Nice try tho 🙂
its not just this forum either theres a 2 page thread [url= http://www.socaltrailriders.org/forum/workshop/23855-dt-swiss-rws-9mm-skewer-hope-pro-2-front-hub.html ]HERE[/url] on socaltrailriders.com and correct me if i'm wrong but socal is short for Southern Calafornia which is in america isn't it?
good thread actually, pics posted by a guy who drilled his hope pro 2's out
any news ?
wouldnt reccomend the 456 hub im afraid.
cant change the bearings on them, and they only last about 6 months....
(strikes me as raaather daft)
don't think anyone was recommending the hub itself, only a 'cheap' way to obtain a 9mm QR axle (vs the DT system)... though it's no longer cheap as it went back up to £25
Is there really no way of getting the bearing out? as that seems mental
I think it's like a cannondale bolt thru hub (knackered) i have, gunna set my pet engineer onto it to see if it can be done...
lbs called me to tell me its in just cant pick up til fri due to work will post back if its right 🙂 now just need a nine mm bolt thru lol
my lbs still havent called back about it yet
ive got the 9mm waiting
Was at hope today.They are making them now...like today.
I read somewhere that you can get the bearings out but you need to use a bearing puller to do it, whatever one of those is.
shame they cant bang together a 9mm bolt thru to match it lol
Yea Hope would make a killing on a kit with bolt-through and convertors. Surely a 9mm bolt-[b]up[/b] axle would be a good start, and a darn sight cheaper than the DT swiss jobby.
How much is the convertor kit OOI?
Also - the on-one axle looks like a standard qr, whereas the DT Swiss can be tightened by screwing. Does this mean the DT Swiss axle can be tightened more?
and here they are 😉
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i also spoke to hope today asking if there was a 9mm skewer/bolt thru in the pipeline at all and they said very doubtful and even if demand were high it wouldnt be til next year at least
excellent ! 🙂
half way there now if only chumba still did thoose QR axles. Although as said I prefer a allen key type axle.
yup i just need another 9mm axle lol ive got rws on other bike so can swap between til one shows up 😉
just got my NC-17 10mm rear QR and its very nice, very stiff and much lighter than my chumba one
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if only they made a 9mm front version
i was thinking of the on-one 456 hub and just using the qr but its jumped from 10 quid to 25 at all the talk of this new adaptor lol
I finally got this sorted (I did buy a new 'main' bike in the meantime, with a lefty, so the issue became a little less priority) using the hope adapters (£20 - but as above this could be got cheaper) and a specialized 9mm bolt thru axle (£10).
The specialized axle was new from the Specialized concept store Brum, I phoned up and asked for a replacement one for a stout hub, they had to order it in, but other than being passed to a mechanic to confirm what I wanted, it was no bother at all (I believe they were going to order some spares in too).
I can throughly recommend it, but can't prove it hugely better (I hadn't actually ridden this bike for over 2 months), but perception wise it feels ace, with the bike seemingly tracking better.
This perception is throughly endorsed by the fact that when you pull the end caps off your Pro II hub there is [i]nothing[/i] supporting the skewer inside the hub it it only supported by the end caps! I hadn't expected this, I was expecting an axle like the rear hubs (and was wondering what I'd need to pull out to make the 9mm axle work).
So having a bigger 9mm axle runnning through the two new endcaps was a better mental image before you even start riding.
Can't say I think the specialized axle is a greatest piece of kit but when the alternative is a £50 DT axle, I'll stick with it for now.
It may be worth seeing what the Ritchey 9mm bolt thru axle is like, but as I found the specialized one so easily i didn't chase that up.