[Closed] Calling all road tax argument winners!!!

No-one can be forced to carry ID cards at the moment so until general ID cards are ok'd this is a non-issue.

Like driver's licenses, if police want your details thay will stop and ask, like any other member of the public / road user.

What they may be able to enforce is insured use of roads - ie to enforce a min of 3rd party insurance on cyclists, the same as scooters and trucks. I wouldn't have a problem with that if the premium refected the likely damage / risk I posed - ie close to sod all - and covered me / helped me sue if required.

Anyway, not wanting to spark debate on insurance, I don't see how ID cards for cyclists is anything more than some BBC marketing-facebook-jocky stirring up hits. Ignore it and it'll go away since surely it's unworkable and unenforcable in the first place?

Are those making the most noise red light jumping cyclists.. bring on i.d.
Stop the idiots spoiling it for the rest of us.

<Prepares pyrotechnic device>

angryratio - Member

Are those making the most noise red light jumping cyclists.. bring on i.d.
Stop the idiots spoiling it for the rest of us.

<lights touchpaper>

The UK road system's entirely designed for large motorised vehicles. There's often no reason at all why cyclists can't safely jump a red light. America uses "right turns at red lights" widely as a way to keep traffic flowing, why don't we trust road users?

<stands well back>

didn't someone on here suggest that transport for London were hushing up a report that said that red light jumpers are less likely to be squashed by HGVs and that's why fewer blokes get killed? Sounds plausible...

It's only a good idea to jump a red to avoid getting squashed by an HGV if you're in a position where that's a danger in the first place, and whether you're in that position or not is up to you. So I don't see that it supports the RLJ = safer argument.

I_did_dab - Member

didn't someone on here suggest that transport for London were hushing up a report that said that red light jumpers are less likely to be squashed by HGVs and that's why fewer blokes get killed?

They did go out of their way to suppress the findings of their report that showed cyclist safety was improved by allowing motorbikes into bus lanes (after it failed to give the desired results first time, they ordered a re-run which gave even more positive results, at which point the whole process was quietly abandoned). So it seems in character.

Half-agree with Mr Salmon but I suspect there's a correlation between red-light jumping and actively thinking for yourself- the sort of rider who waits at red lights for no reason other than that you're supposed to, is probably more likely to ride up the inside of a bus or HGV because they can, and because they expect other road users to not squash them.

ski

Has anyone here been stopped & why?

Yup - stopped riding thru the centre of town, as dusk fell as I had no lights, by a unmarked car. Slightly complicated by the fact I was carving thru traffic and another car had clocked it was a cop car and hesitated leaving me no where to go so I gestured "leave me some space" the cop took it as giving them the finger. However they couldn't find a code to give me a ticket so I just had to accept a bollocking "yes sir , no sir"

the sort of rider who waits at red lights for no reason other than that you're supposed to, is probably more likely to ride up the inside of a bus or HGV because they can, and because they expect other road users to not squash them.

Yes, law abiding people are idiots.

Now I did not say that- nor did I say that all red light jumpers are smart riders, some are just cocks.

But- people who while sat at a red light and appraise the situation and think "This is totally safe- only reason not to go is the red light" are also more likely to think "I won't ride down the side of that truck".

I've got a birth mark on my arse, does that count as I.D? 😉

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why would anyone feel the need to carry id when on a bike ? we have all paid to be electronically tagged!