[Closed] biking scum at Gisburn

Saw an Asian chap on a nice road bike the other day - full roadie get up etc, plus big hipster style beard - firstly the beard made me wonder about his aerodynamic profile ( :lol:) then I got to sadly wondering why I don't see more Asian folk out on bicycles in this area, given that there is around 30% Asian population.
Sadly realised that cycling of all types is a mainly white,male,middle aged pastime still.

if you were anywhere near Bradistan...then theres a good chance it was one of my guys 😀

Saw an Asian chap on a nice road bike the other day - full roadie get up etc, plus big hipster style beard

Rad to the power of Sikh? 😉

Any update gonzy? Were Dibble interested in your concerns?

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Rad to the power of Sikh?

*MUCH APPLAUSE*

No, my point was that if something did come of it then there are bigger implications regarding lack of free speech.

so does that mean nothing should be said about his comments as they are deemed as free speech?

The idiot who made those comments obviously seems to be very angry/ignorant/stupid and racist abuse shouldn't be condoned but punishing someone for hurtful comments sets a dangerous precedent and could lead to thousands of teenage internet trolls being arrested just because someone doesn't like being offended.

if the comments break the law then yes they should be punished. would what this guy said online be any different if he said it to my face or sent it to me in a personal email/text?
im sorry but racism is racism. and the last time i checked i'm pretty sure the law stated that it was also against the law.
it doesnt matter if the guy put it online, or if he said to someones face or even spray painted it on some property...its still classed as race hate crime and therefore punishable
sounds to me you're trying to class it as "just one of those things" and telling me to "suck it up princess and move on"....are you one of his mates??

I do appreciate it must be intimidating to have comments like that directed at you though.

the rest of us on the other hand dont feel like them but that doesent mean that we'll now be on the warpath looking out for him...we couldnt give 2 shits about him TBH...but if we did meet him and he tried to get in our faces...then he'd get his face rearranged

The idiot who made those comments obviously seems to be very angry/ignorant/stupid and racist abuse shouldn't be condoned but punishing someone for hurtful comments sets a dangerous precedent and could lead to thousands of teenage internet trolls being arrested just because someone doesn't like being offended.

There's a plain difference between saying something bigoted/closed minded/intolerant and making direct threats of violence. "If I see you at [place where you go], I'm going to stomp your face into the ground" is a world away from "These XXXXX should all go back where they came from".

I imagine, perhaps wrongly, that the person saying "he's just a troll, you shouldn't go to the police about it" is white. And that's where
chakapings comment of

Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this?

I've had someone look me up and down, then move his bag away from me and an asian mate and say "sorry, I was just brought up not to trust people like you". That's clearly not a police matter, it's just an ignorant ****wit, but the stuff in the OP is much worse and IMO crosses into criminal territory.

no updates to report of yet Perchy

Sad to hear but not suprising as there's plenty of bigots , wind up merchants and General ar/::£&les patrolling the net.
I've been into mountain biking for about fifteen years am of ****stani heritage and a Muslim complete with foot long beard and have rode every major trail centre in the UK . I've always found folk from the MTB community to be really decent and have never faced any animosity or prejudice whilst out riding so hopefully this is a one off. In truth it's the sport that binds us together that's the common ground not who you are or what you look like.
Maybe Dean wasn't that high and needs to get some new supply might calm him down a tad.

Sad to hear but not suprising as there's plenty of bigots , wind up merchants and General ar/::£&les patrolling the net.
I've been into mountain biking for about fifteen years am of ****stani heritage and a Muslim complete with foot long beard and have rode every major trail centre in the UK . I've always found folk from the MTB community to be really decent and have never faced any animosity or prejudice whilst out riding so hopefully this is a one off. In truth it's the sport that binds us together that's the common ground not who you are or what you look like.
Maybe Dean wasn't that high and needs to get some new supply might calm him down a tad.

i agree
i've been riding for 26 years and never encountered any prejudice racial or otherwise. yes the web makes it so much easier to come across scumbags like this guy and for them to spout their racial hatred online for all to see.
if the abuse was him calling us "p**i faggots" etc then we would have just ignored it...but when he threatened us with actual physical violence my curiosity got the better of me.
for him to make such a threat i knew he had to have been there at least once...even though his youtube profile gave the impression he was some inbred redneck in the USA. with the help of some STW users i managed to find the clues i needed to do a full trace on him and prove my theory that he is in fact a regular there and to some of our other regular riding spots.
we're not going to stop riding on account of an asshat like him and his warped beliefs.
the vast majority of MTB riders out there are good honest decent folk and i dont want this idiot to be associated with them.

I've been into mountain biking for about fifteen years am of ****stani heritage and a Muslim complete with foot long beard and have rode every major trail centre in the UK

Hope this all gets sorted out properly, Gonzy.

want to join our group?

JY - we welcome riders of all faiths and nationalities to our group...bringing halal cake will make you very popular though
you're more than welcome to join us on a ride whenever you want

p.s.
the charity bike ride will definitely go ahead this summer after ramadan. there seems to be more commitment from the group.

aye keep me in mind

I don't tend to ride trail centres[ once very two years or so*] but feel free to drop me a line next time you are going

Yes still up for the charity ride as well

* don't hate them either.

Yes still up for the charity ride as well

only taken us 2 years to finally get it to the planning stage...probably take us another 2 years to plan it and then another 2 to execute it 😆
but most likely will be the mary townley loop.

Mail in profile gonzy send us some details.

I can see a 'united mountain bikers against that sort of thing' ride coming along.

I can bring halal cake

[ignorant question or possibly missed sarcasm] how is cake halal, there's nothing dead in it? [/ignorant question or possibly missed sarcasm]

the charity bike ride will definitely go ahead this summer after ramadan.

how is cake halal, there's nothing dead in it?

[url= http://www.halalfoodhunt.com/diaries/whats-not-halal-about/ ]cake..[/url] its a veggy thing too..

Lots of cakes have alcohol in them too. Guinness and chocolate is wonderful.

depends on the ingredients but Muslims like vegans as they can eat everything we can eat - I also like the halal jellies especially the lurid colours 😉

Stands to reason* I suppose (alcohol in extracts, non-vegan gelatin etc).

How do scholars deal with stuff like bread though?

Yeast is a living thing (although I can't remember enough GCSE biology to say whether it's a plant or animal), and is killed by baking, and it produces alcohol.

Fun fact: The Reinheitsgebot added yeast at a later date as when it was first written no one knew that yeast existed or how yeast worked, breweries just relied on the cultures in the vessels/barrels or on a stick to inoculate the next batch. So most historical beers were actually likely sour.

*in context, it's still religion and/or veganism 🙂

last time I checked plants were living things till I cruelly devour them for my own needs...murderous bastard that I am 😈

Muslims can do what they want with yeast --except ferment it to make alcohol-that is haram

Gelatine is also fine depending on source

Sadly many of their jelly sweets are now certified as beef gelatine and are no longer vegan 🙁

TINAS - as JY said the yeast is fine to use as long as it isnt fermented to make alcohol.
but its not just sweets that need to be carefully checked...many other products that you would not suspect are now non-halal. certain flavour crisps, yoghurts and mousses that contain gelatine etc.
every time we go shopping we end up checking the ingredients of items before they go in...even if we bought that same product before

I feel your pain I even have to do this with halal stuff though

Surprised all the Asian food shops were open today...not as much veg in as usual though.

Any police update?

my mate spoke to the local plod who didnt seem all that interested in pursuing it...even with all the overwhelming evidence put in front of them

he could and should have taken it further but decided he didnt have the time and energy to do that just yet...we will be passing it onto our other friends dad now to get his advice on it

Very disappointing.

Let us know if there's anything any of us can do in support.

Let us know if there's anything any of us can do in support.

thanks for the support guys. its nice to know that there are people out there who would be willing to stand up to these kinds of people.

after i gave the info to my mate he had spoken to an officer at his local cop shop who said that they wouldn't be interested in pursuing this. now it could be that the officer he spoke to got it wrong or couldn't be bothered but we will be taking further advice on this.
but upon hearing this from the officer my friend made an emotional response to the guy on his youtube account saying that he knows where he lives and will come and beat him up for being racist etc
obviously the guy replied with more racist rubbish and and very cockily said come on down then.
so we put up some hints of knowing where he lives...i.e. what town he lives in, what bike he rides, even his postcode.

he has since gone very quiet as he's now probably papping himself knowing that we actually do know where he lives...so hopefully that will be the end of the matter

saying that he knows where he lives and will come and beat him up for being racist etc

Yeah, that's definitely changed things, so errr can we have a link? 🙂

@gonzy. Tell your mate to delete his comment's asap. Whatever the rights or wrongs a personal threat coupled with knowledge of the bigots address is something the police might take seriously !!!

Well now you've lost your moral and probably your legal position.
I can completely understand this btw, but it's now just an internet brawl with no winners.

true...but once my friend had responded then there was no going back.
but hopefully this guy will think twice before posting any more racist bile online

Shall we start a new thread called "Violent Threatening Stalking Scum on Youtube"?

Shall we start a new thread called "Violent Threatening Stalking Scum on Youtube"?

good idea...and while we're at it, maybe we can start another titled..."youtube racist tracked down and all evidence given to police who dont give a shit about online racism"?

Waaah... I want links

sorry yunki but i've told my friend to remove his comments.
it wasnt his finest moment...i tracked the guy down so he could be reported to the police. but once the police made it clear that they didnt care less about online racism..he was understandably upset and angry. hence his response to the guy and then further disclosure of where he lives so they guy would take him more seriously
he took a bollocking from me for making his comments but at the same time we fully understand why he did it

but this just reinforces what many in our group believed right form the start...the police dont care about this and will do nothing. we held onto the hope that the law would protect us and other from online racism but it hasnt...all its done is condoned racism online because either theyre powerless or dont care about it
and now we look like the bad guys

If your local police force have a Twitter or Facebook account, discuss it online with them and see if they're willing to explain in public why they won't pursue...

I'm extremely disappointed that the police didn't take this seriously.

However, I can't blame the OP's mate for going down the "I know where you live" route.

I do like the thought of some kind of cross community MTB solidarity ride, where I a local at Gisburn I'd be there.

POst up similar type police hating comments as this guy did and see of the coppers are interested then 😈

Very disappointing - coppers ought to remember what they would do were it "one of their own"*

* not a racial dig i mean one of their mates/families who got the abuse

If your local police force have a Twitter or Facebook account, discuss it online with them and see if they're willing to explain in public why they won't pursue...

This sounds like a sensible approach - get it on the radar of the PR team and they may suddenly become v interested.

If not then this and ask local media to cover it, I'll come along.

some kind of cross community MTB solidarity ride,

as will I - see if you can find out what days this fella rides and we can see if we bump into him 😉

NOT A THREAT but i would like to see his reaction to a large group

markburns-williamson@westyorkshire.pcc.pnn.gov.uk is the email address for the West Yorkshire (I seem to recall you said you were a Bradford lad?) Police and Crime Commissioner.
RM.

Like all public services, the police are stretched to breaking point.
It needs to be framed correctly.
The original comments made by Dean weren't just racism, they were violent threats motivated by racist hate carried out in a public and traceable arena.

The police should definitely take this seriously imo and I would put something in writing cc your local MP. Although as others have mentioned, in this day and age I wouldn't be surprised if the twitter/Facebook approach shamed them into action faster.

From a brief look around Dean's posting habits there will be lots of other victims of his abuse. There was nothing wrong imo with making it clear that you knew his identity to remove the cowardly safety net he had and prevent him from abusing others, but it was a very big mistake to couple it with any level of physical threat.

rogermoore - i'm not from Bradistan!! although there are a few from there and nearby. however the guy whose page the abuse got posted on is based in Lancashire. as are the rest of the group.
as i said the father of one the lads in our group is a Chief Inspector at GMP. we will e looking to pass this on to him to see what he thinks. maybe with him on our side something will happen.
but for the moment we're prepared to le tit lie for the moment.

as for the threat my friend made...it was an emotional response to his hope of a police investigation being dashed

i now have to try and convince him to take it further but he's already said he doesnt.

Apologies mate. The reason I suggested the above as I've a friend who is a West Yorks cop and we were talking about the type of crime which were deemed high priority from a 'politics' point of view. Online abuse was one of those so I'm surprised it wasn't taken further.
Best of luck in getting this dealt with.
RM.

Contacting the commissioner is a top idea IMO.

http://lancashire-pcc.gov.uk/

http://lancashire-pcc.gov.uk/archived-news/commissioner-backs-hate-crime-report/