[Closed] Bearing, bearings, bearings, Who thinks they know the score?

Who gives a F*ck.

Who gives a F*ck.

people who fit bearing themselves, particularly people given to riding through rivers all the time:
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I tried cheapo bearings but they last no time at all, just a few weeks 🙁

I chose hubs with 6000 series bearings which cost about 60p each. I don't mind changing them when they die, but even the cheapest bearings seem OK for at least 6 months. I add my own grease before fitting.

Elsewhere I've got CK headsets and UN54 BB's. Sorted.

And I adjust and regrease my M540 pedals whenever they need it.

Hey Simonfbarnes. another one of your photo's? not a bad photo and it does emphasieze the point. What kind of bike do you run?

Full complement bearings in frame pivots as they rock rather than rotate so see a lot of high static load. Quality bearings for me and I always clean and repack with lots of sticky grease.

@simon1975 You can get SKF bearings in those sizes for pretty cheap, Pregreasing is a must. Most bearings are specific to rotational application so the grease isn't really water proof. Pivot point grease you can run most stuff like marine but hub/bb grease you need to get the right viscosity/water proof combo. At least that's what I think.

What kind of bike do you run?

hard to say, a hardtail with most of the paint missing 🙂

I don't go in for full compliment. If you rotate an enduro max and then rotate an SKF, INA, NSK etc. you can feel the enduro max are no match for the Top end bearings. They are a lot better than the chinese or cheap jap / taiwanese bearings giant and specialized run. JNK or TPI are the two main brands and NBK also supplies them for some pivot points.

Do you run any full sus frames?

With a hardtail what maintenance is required to keep bearings happy? How can you tell when a bearing needs replacing? Does replacing bearings before the wear becomes too serious prevent other more expensive parts being damaged (as with chains and sprockets)?

Does replacing bearings before the wear becomes too serious prevent other more expensive parts being damaged

it means you can remove the bearing by hitting the inner race which is much easier than trying to prise out the outer race after the inner has shattered 🙂

Do you run any full sus frames?

isn't FS for tarts who can't ride properly ???

Bearings? Nope...I have a life...much betterer

Same as any other frame with a headset crank or wheels etc. Make sure they rotate smoothly.

As for damage from worn bearings. The worst is when the bearing binds or siezes and rotates in the housing and wares it away. Kona rockers are a perfect example of this.

As for checking the bearings, the most basic check on the back end is to remove the rear shock and run the back end gently through it's travel.

To be honest though with the amount of leverage the rear end gives you, it's still hard to tell.

Or blokes like me with gammy backs, full sus is for anyone wanting more performance at the cost of forward momentum

So where can we buy these high quality bearings, pre-greased and sealed from Kaesae?

You need to hunt about and try different brands and see which ones you like. I only sell to people who I want to go biking, sorry!

Bearings are easy - if the bike isn't right, the nice man at Nicolai makes it better...

AGGGGGGGGG, MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not believe that full compliment bearings should be used, even though they are better at dealing with heavier loads over Chinese bearings.

And that just makes no sense?
Unless the chinese bearing is a type I've missed.

Bearings, come from BETD, the local transmission/bearing shop, the original manufacturer depending on who's cheepest or been best in the past and whether they're a standard size or a manufacturers own.

What about the people who run FS bikes which haven't needed to change them at all yet? Orange Fives have bearings guaranteed for 5 years? Mine are still going strong ater 18 months?

noooo - Chinese bearings are special and can take more load and, with the "special sauce" that kaesae fits, they are more waterproof than a nuclear submarine...

Chinese bearings? This thread is just wong.

Got to admire his perseverance.

Simple this isnotaspoon. most cheap bearing in this country are chinese or euopean or crap jap/taiwanese, I would rather run enduro max over those.

However I would rather run top end bearings like FAG INA or SKF over Enduro max.

I use Ceramic Speed bearings.

so what bike are you fitting these bearings to, kaesae?

isn't FS for tarts who can't ride properly ???

I guess that's why he was surprised you ride a hardtail simon. 😆

Grease... there are so many kinds. For years I used the finish line white teflon stuff but it seems to dry out and generally be a bit rubbish. I then had some lovely red stuff which I cannot remember what it was but it was super thick and stayed where I put it - although using it for Hope hubs was a mistake since the pawls would not move and it made the hub feel sticky.

I've now got a tube of Weldtite which is red but I'm pretty underwhelemd with it other than it being the same colour as the good stuff I had - but fien for the hub application.

So... one grease for bearings that rotate a lot like hubs... and another thicker one for headsets and pivots which do not rotate a lot... does that make sense?

allthegear - Member
so what bike are you fitting these bearings to, kaesae?

several hundred so far throughout europe.

I only sell to people who I want to go biking, sorry!

Ehh???? 😯

Mighty strange sales patter there!

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Messiah. I agree the right grease is vital. I think they stopped making that pink grease. I spoke to a guy in a shop a while back and he mentioned it, can't remember the name. Good budget grease for hubs is moly grease. Same stuff as rocknroll grease without the ouch factor in the price.

Cool - that's quite a lot - did you say before that you had a bad back or something?

SV purses at dawn

sv - Member
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Did this type of thread not get you banned on another forum!!!

No saying SteveL had a little kingdom to sell his sh1t on and lots of minions that munch butts got me banned.

I guess that's why he was surprised you ride a hardtail simon.

ya got me 🙂 I'll admit bouncing around all over the place on hardtail gives me an excuse for being slow :o)

I only sell to people who I want to go biking, sorry!

I only buy bearings of people who don't really get on my wick, it's kinda the opposite of a sybyotic (sp?) relationship.

MTBRIDER.COM

Roll up Roll up, worship me or get banned!

OOH SteveL you're so cool!
OOH SteveL that thread about commencal bearings for a measly £69.99 is amazing.
OOH SteveL you the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Talk about creepy.

thisisnotaspoon - Member
AGGGGGGGGG, MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boyfriend got a new toy sunshine?

calm down, kaesae - you'll hurt yourself!!

I wouldn't buy your bearings if they were the last set in the world and it meant I could never ride my bike again because you're an idiot.

oh - give him a break! He's trying to make a bit of money while he's not able to ride through injury, or something like that.

Hey kaesae - are you back on the bike yet?

I had hoped this thread might be educational but so far wikipedia is proving more informative: [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_bearing ]Ball Bearings[/url]

What is a 'performance bearing' anyway?

So is Kaesae the same bloke as the "Team McCoy Racing" fella or have I invented that thread?

Hey. Yes allmygear is home grown I was out riding this morning first time in 2 years. If I was trying to make money I would be nice to everyone. Since I make enough to get by doing somethng I love and choose when and where I suffer fools I reckon I'm smarter than most.

Racism, free advertising and homophobia, all in the same thread.

So kaesae - are you off work?

dickydutch - Member
I wouldn't buy your bearings if they were the last set in the world and it meant I could never ride my bike again because you're an idiot.

This thread is about bearings and which ones should be used in MTB's, not about selling bearings.

As you can see from my feedback the bearings are sellnig fine on their own, I was hoping to come on here and share some view points maybe learn something.

However as is all to often the case on STW, any excuse for a purse swinging stropout takes precedence over actually learning anything.

what is this "purse swinging" you mention?

Do you have any thoughts on the NHS?

I reckon I'm smarter than most

Modest with it too.

The best bit is that your kona bearing kits don't include the chainstay bushes - these usually wear out first!

oi, who put my name in the tags, WHYYYYY I ODAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This thread is about bearings and which ones should be used in MTB's, not about selling bearings.

There is at least one person here who'd like some useful advice on that but remains none the wiser despite the thread being two pages long. If you want to educate people about bearings then you need to assume they know absolutely nothing about bearings.

Furthermore it might help to use the right variety of 'complement' so said newbies don't google it and then doubt your expertise. I've had two expenses so far with my new-ish bike and both have been bearing related so I understand the benefits of correct choices, especially when the weather gets wet again.

I reckon I'm smarter than most.

and making intellectual gains as last week you only claimed an IQ of 100...

OOH SteveL you're so cool!
OOH SteveL that thread about commencal bearings for a measly £69.99 is amazing.
OOH SteveL you the second coming of Jesus Christ.

The [url= http://www.mtbrider.com/showthread.php?24341-Meta-Supreme-bearing-kits ]thread about Commencal bearings[/url] was quite funny though, especially given your previous posts on mtbrider...

What happens when you get dirt into a full complement bearing?

wheelz - Member

OOH SteveL you're so cool!
OOH SteveL that thread about commencal bearings for a measly £69.99 is amazing.
OOH SteveL you the second coming of Jesus Christ.

The thread about Commencal bearings was quite funny though, especially given your previous posts on mtbrider...

In a I don't wipe my ass my minions clean it with their tongues kind of a way, I agree.

Oral sex is always a great last minute gift idea, coming from a guy that spends all his time hanging about with male cronies, i'm not so sure it is.

kaesae - Member

wheelz - Member

OOH SteveL you're so cool!
OOH SteveL that thread about commencal bearings for a measly £69.99 is amazing.
OOH SteveL you the second coming of Jesus Christ.

The thread about Commencal bearings was quite funny though, especially given your previous posts on mtbrider...

In a I don't wipe my ass my minions clean it with their tongues kind of a way, I agree.

Oral sex is always a great last minute gift idea, coming from a guy that spends all his time hanging about with male cronies, i'm not so sure it is.

Shoots own thread in foot with continued bickering...

chiefgrooveguru what thread? it was thread napped from the very beggining, as always with you lot it's 50 to 1 and the majority is always right, or are you saying I was the one that started it. I am entitled to defend myself, even if you cannot see the fact.

So I'm after a set of bearings for my Yeti ASR-SL (07).

yetifan sells a kit (Kit contains all the Enduro Max sealed bearings used on the pivot locations) for £45.

Are the ones you sell better / same as / worst and how much are they?

I think that the ones I sell are better. as for cost you just won a set for free! you can try them yourself and see what you think, sound good?

kaesae - Member
This thread is about bearings and which ones should be used in MTB's, not about selling bearings.

Well if I'm getting them free then thats not selling them.

I'll email you my address (cheers)

cynic-al asked a question I responded and as for selling that would imply I get some kind of money during the exchange.

All the money I get I put back into doing this, Every penny. maybe in time you people will come to understand that. I do what I do to help out bikers and because I truly love biking.

My clothes are falling off me, my cars falling apart. I promote my products because it gives me more resources to play about with.

There is so much more that could be done to get people out biking, I spend all my time doing all I can. If that's a bad thing then so be it!

You make money selling bearings and create endless discussions about them.

You are telling me they two are not connected?

I'm telling you that I'm into servicing mountain bike frames or bikes and bearings. which is why I'm not talking about golf, I started this bearing thread so we could discuss the best bearings to use. A subject I happen to know a good amount about and that gets discussed on STW endlessly.

Do you want to discuss the subject or turn this into another purse swinging contest?

schmiken - Member

I use Ceramic Speed bearings.

+1 for Ceramic Speed. I did a load of testing with SRMs on the velodrome over a weekend and with ceramic bearings and found that I was generating 14watts more at the same heart rate with ceramics over standard. That would differ on a MTB because of the terrain but would still have a benefit.

Ceramic bearings have their advantages and disadvantages like any other bearing.

From personal experience bearing quality has little effect on how long they last...its all about top quality sealing and top quality grease. I buy cheapo bearings (£2-3 each), strip them down and replace with top quality grease i have (the grease is actually designed to be run on underwater bearings in industry). I regrease every 3-6 months and my bearings easily last over a year...not sure you'd get a year out of a £15 skf bb bearing without touching it...or would you?

SteveL! Your literacy and Reading skillz improve day by day! SteveB is the owner and it was the web guy that banned you! Maybe STW will follow suit save us from this continual hot air, although it's funny laughing at your ideas and replies.

schmiken - Member
I use Ceramic Speed bearings.

+1 for Ceramic Speed. I did a load of testing with SRMs on the velodrome over a weekend and with ceramic bearings and found that I was generating 14watts more at the same heart rate with ceramics over standard. That would differ on a MTB because of the terrain but would still have a benefit.

The shop I work in distributes them, so got them in the pivots, BB and jockey wheels. As long as I regrease every 3 months without fail then they seem to last forever. Bloody expensive though!

Do you want to discuss the subject or turn this into another purse swinging contest?

stuartanicholson - Member
From personal experience bearing quality has little effect on how long they last...its all about top quality sealing and top quality grease. I buy cheapo bearings (£2-3 each), strip them down and replace with top quality grease i have (the grease is actually designed to be run on underwater bearings in industry). I regrease every 3-6 months and my bearings easily last over a year...not sure you'd get a year out of a £15 skf bb bearing without touching it...or would you?

How many SKF or performance bearings have you owned and run in your bikes?

I'm guessing you've never actually run any top end bearings and you certainly haven't run any of my bearings. Good luck with the cheapo bearings.

sv - Member
SteveL! Your literacy and Reading skillz improve day by day! SteveB is the owner and it was the web guy that banned you! Maybe STW will follow suit save us from this continual hot air, although it's funny laughing at your ideas and replies.

SteveL for Stevelord! it may have been the web guy that blocked me from the site but it Steve the lord of MTBrider.com that gave the command.

SV are you a lady?

cynic-al - Member

Do you want to discuss the subject or turn this into another purse swinging contest?

Just trying for some honesty from you - if you were a bit more honest I imagine you could sell more bearings.

Cynical-al Honesty what would you know about honesty? You want honesty try this on for size.

You sunshine are bitter! it's pretty obvious from your user name that your not exactly happy.

I have been nothing but truthful from the very start. That and true to myself.

Just about every person on here has an opinion based on stupidity and hear say.

Here's some facts for you cynical-al.

1) I have 2 ranges of bearings that I stock and sell.
2) I have peronally rotated and checked in my hands thousands of bearings and can tell the different quality of a bearing but how it feels.
3) I have analyzed thousands of used bearings to determine what causes them to fail.
4) I have in stock as we speak 30 to 40 different sizes and 8 different brands of bearings.
5) I have personally serviced over 850 bike frames including changing the bearings.
6) What exactly is your experience with bearings and that question to the rest of the O O S C M on here as well.

I bought some waterproof grease online a while back (Sapphire Aqua 2, chosen for the nice name).

Some of it went into my freewheel's sealed bearing in January to replace whatever was there before (which had lasted 3 months before seizing).

The original bearing was an Enduro; the replacement was an el-cheapo from Ebay (+ the grease).

If I can remember, I'll report back next January on how it's been doing.

anyone want a Kelloggs nutrigrain morning bar?

Hey. that grease should last a while. It has a 3 year life span under perfect conditions. However out doors 18 months to 2 years.

I've already been running bearings for over a year with decent grease. XC cheope bearings last a reasonable amount of time but the DH FR ones don't really.

It would be good if a lot of people could help out with studying the longevity of bearings. But on single track mostly all you get is no hopers arguing black is white and left is right.

Cheap bearings are OK for chain devices etc but not really very good for pivots or hubs/cranks.

"What happens when you get dirt into a full complement bearing?"
Given that it is filled with [b]ball[/b] bearings, I'd reckon it'd fill the gaps, just as it would fill the (albeit bigger) gaps in a 'caged' type cartridge bearing

The 'caged' type bearings on my frame have failed much sooner than the full complement ones. So as a result of that, I thought I'd try a full complement ones all round and see what happened. My premature collapsed 'caged' bearing issue is gone and I can leave it way longer between bearing changes, approxiametely twice as long
Being full comlement, when they do wear out, they don't fail like 'caged' types do and force all the ball bearings to one side resulting in loads of play in the bearing and thus the suspension as a whole. I can live with a worn full complement bearing while I get round to replacing them for a bit when the full set of (worn) ball bearings hold it all together without a significant amount of play