[Closed] ****** beardy ******* cyclist.

I ride a shortish (1.5miles max) singletrack road on my way to and from work. It hasn't got official passing places but a couple of areas where you can pull in to let cars pass. If I'm climbing I won't pull over, and if the only pull in is one of the field entrances, which is just a mudfest, I won't pull in either. Otherwise I generally pull in unless the driver beeps the horn, then they can wait.

and you chose a cycling forum to have a rant about it?

Jesus H, it could drone on for weeks.

LOL! No, I'm only pulling Glupton's leg. I'm off to footy now anyway.

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I'm with smee on this one. The amount of disruption that muppets cause in the summer isn't funny. If the guy went past 2 passing places without pulling in then I suspect that his attitude will earn him a little country education before his visit is over. People that go looking for trouble will find it even in such a friendly place. Sounds like a German. We get hundreds of them touring round here for some reason.

Nice one Smee. From your post what you did sounds entirely reasonable although I have to say your posting was guaranteed to get a rise out of the self righteous PC tendency here- if that was the idea it worked 😉

Sorry can't see what's PC about any argument here?

acjim - only a PC eejit would take the crap from the cretin cyclist or argue their point.

Why does the cyclist sound like a German?

It's xenophobic gobbledeegook to say he sounds like a German,the last Germans i met were very friendly.

its just funny how you get home and log on to STW to have a moan about such a trivial incident

[i]Rudeboy - you wouldn't be trying to tell me about rules of the road would you...

All three passing places were clear and safe to pull into, also long enough for them to maintain their speed too.

They held me up long enough to piss me off.[/i]

lot's of things piss me off - but i don't feel the need to share them on forums

(see i haven't)

Why does the cyclist sound like a German?

It's xenophobic gobbledeegook to say he sounds like a German,the last Germans i met were very friendly.

Got to love people jumping to conclusions. I lived 9 of my formative years in Germany and considered it home for a long time after I left. I have tremendous respect and affection for German people. If I have one regret in life it is that I have lost the near fluency I had in the language at the time. There is nothing xenophobic about my comments. They are based on observation. It's just the way they are. And the French come to think of it. I'm sure they weren't being obnoxious on purpose. Unless they were English of course.

Ah well forget about all that-

The main thing is, my team won! 4-3; Scored one, one assist, and went up for a cross with the keeper- ball comes off him for an own goal. And he's trying to claim a foul! Cheeky git.

Tough match; they had us penned back for much of the game. One of our best players picked up an injury early on, and they had a rolling sub. They were technically superior, really. We had to rely on the counter attack against their slow defenders. Bloody hard work. Knackered now. Pizza, beer and bed, I reckon.

Stay safe out there.

WTF is there a picture of a ballast cleaner on this thread rudeboy?

Whilst smee may be getting rather hot under the collar for no great reason he is correct in law - the cyclist should have pulled over. People have been prosecuted successfully for not doing so.

If you drive in the highlands people who do not obey the signs above are very very annoying.

Not reading all that but as a car driver and cyclist is the OP meant to sit behind the cyclist for however long the road is (20 miles say). I also assume a lot of people on here are maybe not too familiar with single track roads so do not appreciate the etiquette (my mother lives on Lewis so I have plenty experience). When touring (in car)I stopped at passing places to let traffic behind me pass as I was admiring the scenery and not in a rush (but that is not to say the locals may want to go somewhere, work maybe) and you always got a pleasant toot or wave as they also appreciated that I was sightseeing.So some of you may need to get off your high horse (bike) and see the argument from the other side

Yup, pretty pathetic.

Expects to see a thread soon from an anguished cyclist with a beard pursued down a single track road by a mad scotsman, driveing a focus, with a big L on the back,and a bloody big chip on his shoulder.

Anger management or a chang eof jobs me thinks.

I'd pull in, I firmly believe that courtesy can be contagious

however all he did was hold you up while you decided that that warranted putting his life at risk by overtaking in less than ideal circumstances. If it had been safe to overtake other than at the passing points you would have done it earlier, you didn't indicating that in your rational mind you knew overtaking him was not safe. You cannot argue that his actions endangered his life as he was at no risk until you made your decision. He was rude and inconsiderate but the worst possible outcome of his actions was to hold you up and cost you a bit of time. You understandably lost your cool and your judgement and the worst possible outcome of that is the guy getting killed.
So although he may well have been in the wrong that would be no defence in court.

I'm confused about the people driving to GT comment, can you elaborate Glupton? Unless you mean it the other way. That singletrack road from the motorway to Glentress is a hoot, I've had wheels off the ground along that one, I suspect I'm not the only one.

S'fun playing Devil's avocado...

TJ: Obstructing a public highway is an offence. IE, if the cyclist was deliberately obstructing Glupton, then fair enough. Sounds like they were just using the road, as they were legally entitled to.

I can find nothing that says a cyclist has to pull over for a car, anywhere. I am prepared to be enlightened.

I can appreciate that Glupton (or any driver) would feel frustrated and annoyed, but that's tough. Maybe the cyclist was being a knob, but I can't find anything to suggest they were breaking the law.

I reckon the police would laugh at you, were you to report it.

As Glupton hazzunt actually specified the amount of time he was held up for, I can only assume it was not all that long, really.

I've made impatient drivers sit behind me and wait, until it's convenient for me, to let them past. Why should I interrupt my journey, to let them past? Is their journey more important than mine, or their need to get past me more important than my safety? From my point of view, is it bollocks.

Yes it might annoy people. I couldn't really give a shit, tbh. It's them getting all steamed up by being held up for a few seconds or so, not me. Their problem to deal with. Tough shit. Stop crying, and get over it.

So some of you may need to get off your high horse (bike) and see the argument from the other side

Quite.

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Good for the heart, apparently...

avdave - you have made a hell of a judgement there based on very little information. I would argue that he risked his own life by riding like an inconsiderate bell end.

Samuri - that is exaclty what i mean. the fact that you are getting wheels off the ground on any of the roads round here tells me that you haven't a clue what you're doing. stay away if you're going to do that shit.

Is their journey more important than mine

I expect few things are

Anyone fancy a piece of Jamaican Ginger Cake?

Nice and moist.

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Was driving near Slaidburn a few weeks ago - came round a bend to find both lanes of the road full of "Roadies", i slowed but put my hand on the horn and kept moving.

Must have been 40 unhappy cyclists - inconsiderate fools. There are a lot of people useing the roads out there and maybe enough room for us all - with a little consideration. I drive no more than 1000 miles a year as i don't own a car, it makes me happy, fewer miles - fewer fools.

I ride a road bike - considerately - as well as a Mountain bike.

Rudeboy I am not getting into a longwinded argument on this one (been there before on this forum) but how much experience has a London boy had on singletrack roads (driving or cycling)?
**** even TJ sees the point on this one.

"I get stuck behind muck spreaders and other farm vehicles all the time - it happens when you live in a rural area - those folk pull over and let you past."

Hahahahahahahahaahahahahahaaahhaaahhaa.

That was a great joke, the bit about how the tractors pull in. Not round here they don't me lad.

Smee you could argue that all day in court it would do you no good. By waiting for the passing place you've already indicated that you don't think It's safe to overtake on the narrow road. The only point I'm trying to make is that when you get it wrong in a car then the consequences can be pretty horrific AND DRIVING ANGRY IS REALLY NOT A GREAT IDEA. The whole beard rant just shows your rational judgement has been effected. The guy is clearly a rude obnoxious arse but that is not yet a capital crime mores the pity.

how much experience has a London boy had on singletrack roads

Ooh, none whatsoever, of course, because I've never ever been out of London, have I?

FFS...

Glupton's been held up by some bloke on a bike, got a bit annoyed, beeped his horn, and expected the bloke to get out of his way. Rightly or Rongly, the bloke din't. No-one's actually provided any proper legal information on this, to suggest the cyclist was breaking any law.

Does sound like the bloke was possibly being a knob (I have said this already). does not in any way sound like he did owt illegal, though.

Cheeze, chill out! God help any of you if you had to drive or cycle in London!

And in other news; war, destruction, disease, famine...etc.

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I think people are confused by the concept of a singletrack road. It's like a road that is only wide enough for one vehicle, with passing places to enable traffic to pass. It's very different to a narrow country lane where you can safely pass the cyclist eventually - in theory you can be stuck behind someone for 20 or 30 miles if they don't cooperate. It happens - I've been stuck behind a c*ntend on singletrack roads plenty of times - Ok for a mile or two but when it's 30 miles (e.g. Lairg to Laxford Bridge) it's deeply frustrating and you'd quite happily sell your kidneys for some James Bond gadgets to blow the ****ers into the loch you're dawdling past.

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Most people who are used to them (so folk who live in SW England, mid-wales, west of Ireland and Scotland) know that "passing" means enabling both traffic you meet [i]and[/i] following traffic to pass. It applies equally regardless of whether you're on a pedal bike, motorbike, in a car, truck or bus. It's not just narrow, it's one vehicle wide only.

The cyclist was clearly in the wrong, both per Highway Code and per etiquette and convention.

Based on what he has written, Smee was in the right to alert the cyclist to his presence, but not to pass him in a dangerous manner.

Is this what it sounds like when doves cry?

DavidB - that is because you probably live in the deepest darkest depths of swindon or some god forsaken palce like that.

avdave2 - I have enough skill and judgement to not get it wrong in a car at 10mph. Here is an idea - you tell me where I passed this gimp.

how much experience has a London boy had on singletrack roads

Ooh, none whatsoever, of course, because I've never ever been out of London, have I?

FFS...

Are you a politician ,you tried to answer my question without actually answering it.

The cyclist was clearly in the wrong, both per Highway Code and per etiquette and convention.

Provide evidence please. I would seriously like to see it, as I've found nowt to suggest this is the case.

'Etiquette and convention' = bugger all in a Court of Law.

Was that the road? Maybe Glupton should provide pics, to help support his argument.

How long were you actually held up for, Glupton? Come on, don't be shy...

Good one, this. Another Glupton Ton, for sure...

Rudeboy - I gave you proof earlier.

Where?

Provide evidence please. I would seriously like to see it, as I've found nowt to suggest this is the case.

Single-track roads. These are only wide enough for one vehicle. They may have special passing places. If you see a vehicle coming towards you, or the driver behind wants to overtake, pull into a passing place on your left, or wait opposite a passing place on your right.

So not pulling over is breaking the law? It does not in any way say one MUST pull over to let traffic past, does it? As I said earlier- did the cyclist consider that pulling over was safe or not? We don't know owt but Glupton's ranty account, which is probbly biased in his favour, let's face it. I'm suspecting that this isn't simply a case of the cyclist being a ****, based on some of Glupton's previous posts.

AND HOW LONG WAS HE HELD UP FOR??????????????

Anyway's up- take it easy, eat some avocados, and reflect that life ain't really all that bad.

Come on, something like this is so trivial, compared to what some people on this Earth have to endure.

What would you do, if faced with a [i]real[/i] problem? 🙄

I am kinda with smee on this, as there are lots of singletrack roads in North Wilts where I live. I drive and cycle along them a lot, and if I'm on the bike, and hear a car behind, (not always obvious, with tyre and wind noise), then at the first opportunity I pull in, mainly because it makes me nervous having a car sitting right behind me, and I rather expect the same courtesy to be returned. It's called being polite, something I was brought up to be, and expect the same, like holding doors open, and I feel it's just ignorant otherwise. It's just the way us iggerant yokels are, unlike you sophisticated city boys.
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Oh yeah, I've got a beard, sort of, and a singlespeed, and one of those funny skinny tyres things, as well. Guess that makes me even more guilty.
And I couldn't give a toss, either.

Is that Rudeboy speak for "sorry I got it wrong, please accept my humblest apologies"?

Rudeboy - Inconsiderate pricks are a real problem. Get rid of those and you get world peace. 😀

RudeBoy

Provide evidence please. I would seriously like to see it, as I've found nowt to suggest this is the case.

'Etiquette and convention' = bugger all in a Court of Law.

Careless or inconsiderate driving is an offence.

From [url= http://www.motordefenceteam.co.uk/offence-guide/careless-driving.htm ]Motor defence team.[/url]

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(Careless Driving)[/b]

The Offence
While this is generally referred to as careless driving, the Road Traffic Act 1988 creates two offences:

Careless Driving; and

Inconsiderate Driving.

For offences committed prior to 24 September 2007 the prosecution need to prove that your driving fell below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver in all the circumstances. Additionally, [b]inconsiderate driving would be proved if other persons were inconvenienced as a result of the manner of driving[/b]. Breach of the Highway Code is a standard example of driving without due care and attention.

From 24 September 2007 the definitions were updated. For careless driving it is still necessary to show that your driving fell below that expected of a competent driver, but they specifically look at the circumstances surrounding the offence and overall that you either knew or should have known of. [b]For inconsiderate driving they have to show that someone was actually inconvenienced[/b].

For inconsiderate driving they have to show that someone was actually inconvenienced.

Driving. Does this apply to cycling? And why aren't more tractor divers nicked, then? 😀 And you'd need to prove you were 'inconvenienced'. I somehow doubt 'I was delayed for a minute or two' would hold a lot of weight in court...

Ah well, if you feel that strongly about it, Glupton, why haven't you reported this heinous cime? Blimey, this bloke might be a serial 'not puller over'. Best you get down the Cop Shop smartish, just in case he does it to another poor innocent motorist.

Is that Rudeboy speak for "sorry I got it wrong, please accept my humblest apologies"?

Go what rong?

I'm assuming you lot all drive exactly according to every single law of the road, never drive above the speed limit, and are always courteous to all other road users...

.. and live in a beautiful world full of unicorns and rainbows, where everyone is happy all the time.

Thanks for the entertainment, btw! Makes up for not having a telly!

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Be considerate. Be careful of and considerate towards all types of road users, especially those requiring extra care (see Rule 204). You should
try to be understanding if other road users cause problems; they may be inexperienced or not know the area well
be patient; remember that anyone can make a mistake
not allow yourself to become agitated or involved if someone is behaving badly on the road. This will only make the situation worse. Pull over, calm down and, when you feel relaxed, continue your journey

So not pulling over is breaking the law? It does not in any way say one MUST pull over to let traffic past, does it?

BTW I take back my previous about you backing down - obviously not the case after you completely rewrote your post removing all of the original text I was replying to (and I was too late to edit mine). Isn't it just a little silly and immature using the edit to completely erase what you wrote in the first place and replace with something totally different after somebody else has already replied?

No, not explicitly breaking the law

Thank you.

Behave yourself. I added stuff, not deleted it!

Seriously, relax. You've pulled up certain bits of the HC (not all of which is Law, btw; a lot is merely advice/guidelines), and I've countered them. I did mention earlier, what fun it is to play Devils' Canapé, but that seems to have been lost on some of you.. 🙂

Point I'm making, is that Glupton shooduv saved himself the stress, and just waited. He's achieved nowt, by getting wound up.

And such a case would get nowhere legally. The cyclist could just claim Glupton was driving aggressively- bingo; his word against Glupton's, no witnesses, bye bye.

Cocoa, anyone?

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