[Closed] ****** beardy ******* cyclist.

bad day at the office?

0/10 btw - poor rant IMHO

no -day off. just hate ignorant people.

Would you do the same if you were behind a car

You had to drive slowly for a bit?

Chin up.

nickjb - yes.

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When did "ignorant" start getting used to describe anyone who doesn't immediately do whatever we want?

indeed - so no scope for mis-interpretation? or what about hard-of-hearing?

You own a car. Not the road.

Were you driving that taxi which pretty much forced me off the road whilst attempting to get past me climbing out of Peaslake on Sunday morning before coming for another go just before we reached the top of Holmbury Hill?

awwwwwwww. poor little smee. He could't get from A-B. as fast as he would like, you see. The cyclist wouldn't let him past. Alas, he was forced to stare at his....

....bottom.

Smee - Member
[ I ] just hate ignorant people.

Oh, the irony...

(almost forgot the 😉 )

Depends on the road - quite often I won't let someone past on a singletrack road because the second anything else comes round the corner heading towards me/us, they have to slam the brakes on and reverse or dive into the hedge leaving me no room to get past (again).

It's the same when drivers overtake on a road with lots of width restrictions/parked cars etc, floor it round the cyclist then oops, they need to stop to let the bus through therefore either forcing me to a stop or I nip past and they feel the need to do the whole stupid overtake again.

i'd go and worry about something else if i were you, smee. i'm sure you'll get over it given time. maybe give it a week

May I refer the 'orrible member to the Highway Code:

[url= http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070314 ]167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

where the road narrows

when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down.[/url]

If you were behind me, being an impatient selfish twunt, beeping yer bloody horn, you'd have been there for a while longer, belive me.

[url= http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070289 ] 112
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. [/url]

Can't find anything about cyclists HAVE to give way to any vehicle behind, unlessit's an emergency vehicle. Same way a tractor does not in any way have to give way.

Now I was not there, so I don't know the road/conditions. Maybe the cyclist din't think it was safe to pull over for you. They don't have to, regardless of any 'passing place' (are they not for oncoming traffic anyway?).

As mentioned, did you know/appreciate whether or not the cyclist was hearing impaired?

How much did they actually slow you down, anyway? Why were you in such a rush? Was it an emergency???

So, you couldn't wait, and used your horn aggressivley, contrary to the Highway Code.

Seriously, especially considering your profession, you need to chill out a bit.

And are you sure you're of the right temperament, to be a driving instructor???

Sorry. No sympathy here.

BTW; does that sign above, white on blue, not signify that the instruction is advisory, not compulsory? IE, does not in any way have to be obeyed by law?

Oh, is smee the scotch driving instructor that used to make people eat his dust?

That's the one, aP.

I wish I was as cool as he is.

we can't all be linear homosexuals aP

I really don't understand the above post...

He also knocks people on their arse for saying hello to his son and writes an essay about it or something like that.

The only disability this guy had was being hard of ****ing thinking. Hmmmmm - maybe we should start screening for it.

Have to say i'd be pretty pissed off too if I was in the car, if i'm holding some one up its just courtesy to let them past be it a car, or a faster rider come up behind me, not really fussed what mode of transport they're on. And if I'm the one on the bike, personally i don't want some pain in the ass driver sitting an inch from my ass while i'm trying to enjoy my bike ride.

When did "ignorant" start getting used to describe anyone who doesn't immediately do whatever we want?

it's a northern usage for stubborn or awkward...

as for [b]smee[/b], I diagnose anger issues 🙁 Though, admittedly, beardy people CAN be very annoying

sfb - does that include bearded ladies?

LOL! You are funny, Smee!

Anyone but you might get a bit of sympathy, but sorry, I'm afraid it's too good an opportunity to laugh at you, to be honest!

So, seriously, how much did they hold you up by? A minute? Two?

And why is your journey more important than theirs?

I can kind of see Smee's point. He did the right thing by not trying to squeeze past the cyclist, so the cyclist [i]should[/i] have used the passing places to let Smee past.

I know someone who did something similar - he was climbing a hill and slowing a car down. When the driver got the chance he overtook, stopped in front, got out his car and called my mate every name under the sun. Stupidly the main point of his rant was that he was in a rush... but obviosly not so much of a rush that he couldn't stop for a five minute rant.

The only disability this guy had was being hard of **** thinking.

Aside from my relative inability to conjure a suitable four-letter expletive that would make this sentence coherent, I'm not entirely sure what you're implying. Are you saying that at the third lay-by you pulled alongside and availed him of your (presumably considerable) skill in proceeding to diagnose some form of mental impairment? As you say, I can't see any possible objection, why surely a mere mortal would be honoured.

...and while we're here, what's wrong with beards? I have a beard. I grew it recently and I like it a lot. I just remembered, I also have a singlespeed. 😀

Rudeboy - white on blue signs are compulsory. Think one way streets, keep left/right, minimum speed limits...

Lol!! Bout time there was glupton driving/biking type rant. Rspkt!

Courtesy. Except in the mind-you-own-business, not-my-problem 21st century it's getting quite hard to find. And if the issue must be forced:

Highway Code 155

Single-track roads. These are only wide enough for one vehicle. They may have special passing places. If you see a vehicle coming towards you, *or the driver behind wants to overtake*, pull into a passing place on your left, or wait opposite a passing place on your right.

Of course the execution of this statement requires courtesy on behalf of the driver of the slower vehicle as anyone who's driven in rural Scotland will know.

I have a beard. I grew it recently and I like it a lot. I just remembered, I also have a singlespeed

it was YOU!

The trouble is that we are all familiar with the concept of "courtesy" which many drivers of motor cars expect to see from cyclists. It boils down to "Get Orf My Road". Most of us generally choose not to be the person demanding that level of courtesy from cyclists, it's just George.

😉

Sadly not, Mr Barnes 😆

Ok, so is that sign above giving an order that must be obeyed, or is it merely advising that you could do that if you wanted to?

Even so, the cyclist does not have to use the passing place to let you overtake.

Do they?

I would probbly pullover and let a car pass, but if they started beeping at me, and being impatient, I might just stop and have a cig.

And make them wait.

A horn is to alert others to danger. It is not a method of shouting 'get out of my way'.

I have never done this, of course...

(Secretly hopes Glupton gets stuck behind a muck-spreader, some time very soon...)

Yes they do.

A horn is to alert others to your presence, just like flashing headlights.

I get stuck behind muck spreaders and other farm vehicles all the time - it happens when you live in a rural area - those folk pull over and let you past.

It's the people from outside the area that cause the problems.

Dont get me started on folk driving to and from GT.

Need to [i]warn[/i] others of your presence, Smee.

Not to get them to get out of your way.

Touring bike- narrow tyres? Was the 'passing place' safe for the cyclist to pull into? Maybe it had a load of loose gravel or something in it. Maybe the cyclist din't have enough confidence to pull over. Maybe they were in a hurry.

And maybe they wooduv let you past on the second one, but got pissed off with you using the horn, and thought 'Sod it, it's Glupton, impatient git, he can bloody well wait'.

I get held up/endangered by cars every single time I go on the roads. As most of us do. But we just put up with it.

As I asked before, how much did it actually hold you up?

It's the people from outside the area that cause the problems.

Bloody foreigners, eh?

When I am cycling on tight singletrack lanes, I feel apologetic if I hold someone up for more than a few seconds. I tend to sprint up and find a gateway to pull in, because I don't want to be an annoyance to anyone.

I wonder if the touring cyclist felt self-conscious about needlessly holding up another road user?

And if I did hold someone up and received a short bip of the horn I'd get the message and do what I could to oblige.

Rudeboy - you wouldn't be trying to tell me about rules of the road would you...

All three passing places were clear and safe to pull into, also long enough for them to maintain their speed too.

They held me up long enough to piss me off.

i think you cannot have your cake and eat it. If you want other road users to be courteous to you on a bike then you need to do the same for them.
I pull in for cars on singletrack lanes ..... not least because they may do what Smee did if you dont let them.

Then they achieved a great objective!

What makes you think you know the rules of the road more than anyone else? Sounds like you used your horn in an 'aggressive manner' from what you've told us. You wanted them out of your way. However discourteous they may have been, if they don't pull over, you have to wait. Isn't that one of the 'rules'?

Once more...

HOW LONG DID THEY HOLD YOU UP FOR?

Rudeboy - my line of work demands a great knowledge of the rules of the road. Didn't use the horn in an aggressive manner - used it to remind them that I was still wanting past.

The rules for overtaking are simple - if you can do it without putting the other person in danger go for it. Closer than either of us would have liked but hey ho.

They held me up longer than was necessary and longer than a reasonable person would have done.

Is this Glupton and Dibnah bickering?

Jesus H, it could drone on for weeks.

I ride a shortish (1.5miles max) singletrack road on my way to and from work. It hasn't got official passing places but a couple of areas where you can pull in to let cars pass. If I'm climbing I won't pull over, and if the only pull in is one of the field entrances, which is just a mudfest, I won't pull in either. Otherwise I generally pull in unless the driver beeps the horn, then they can wait.

and you chose a cycling forum to have a rant about it?

Jesus H, it could drone on for weeks.

LOL! No, I'm only pulling Glupton's leg. I'm off to footy now anyway.

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I'm with smee on this one. The amount of disruption that muppets cause in the summer isn't funny. If the guy went past 2 passing places without pulling in then I suspect that his attitude will earn him a little country education before his visit is over. People that go looking for trouble will find it even in such a friendly place. Sounds like a German. We get hundreds of them touring round here for some reason.

Nice one Smee. From your post what you did sounds entirely reasonable although I have to say your posting was guaranteed to get a rise out of the self righteous PC tendency here- if that was the idea it worked 😉

Sorry can't see what's PC about any argument here?

acjim - only a PC eejit would take the crap from the cretin cyclist or argue their point.

Why does the cyclist sound like a German?

It's xenophobic gobbledeegook to say he sounds like a German,the last Germans i met were very friendly.

its just funny how you get home and log on to STW to have a moan about such a trivial incident

[i]Rudeboy - you wouldn't be trying to tell me about rules of the road would you...

All three passing places were clear and safe to pull into, also long enough for them to maintain their speed too.

They held me up long enough to piss me off.[/i]

lot's of things piss me off - but i don't feel the need to share them on forums

(see i haven't)

Why does the cyclist sound like a German?

It's xenophobic gobbledeegook to say he sounds like a German,the last Germans i met were very friendly.

Got to love people jumping to conclusions. I lived 9 of my formative years in Germany and considered it home for a long time after I left. I have tremendous respect and affection for German people. If I have one regret in life it is that I have lost the near fluency I had in the language at the time. There is nothing xenophobic about my comments. They are based on observation. It's just the way they are. And the French come to think of it. I'm sure they weren't being obnoxious on purpose. Unless they were English of course.

Ah well forget about all that-

The main thing is, my team won! 4-3; Scored one, one assist, and went up for a cross with the keeper- ball comes off him for an own goal. And he's trying to claim a foul! Cheeky git.

Tough match; they had us penned back for much of the game. One of our best players picked up an injury early on, and they had a rolling sub. They were technically superior, really. We had to rely on the counter attack against their slow defenders. Bloody hard work. Knackered now. Pizza, beer and bed, I reckon.

Stay safe out there.

WTF is there a picture of a ballast cleaner on this thread rudeboy?

Whilst smee may be getting rather hot under the collar for no great reason he is correct in law - the cyclist should have pulled over. People have been prosecuted successfully for not doing so.

If you drive in the highlands people who do not obey the signs above are very very annoying.

Not reading all that but as a car driver and cyclist is the OP meant to sit behind the cyclist for however long the road is (20 miles say). I also assume a lot of people on here are maybe not too familiar with single track roads so do not appreciate the etiquette (my mother lives on Lewis so I have plenty experience). When touring (in car)I stopped at passing places to let traffic behind me pass as I was admiring the scenery and not in a rush (but that is not to say the locals may want to go somewhere, work maybe) and you always got a pleasant toot or wave as they also appreciated that I was sightseeing.So some of you may need to get off your high horse (bike) and see the argument from the other side

Yup, pretty pathetic.

Expects to see a thread soon from an anguished cyclist with a beard pursued down a single track road by a mad scotsman, driveing a focus, with a big L on the back,and a bloody big chip on his shoulder.

Anger management or a chang eof jobs me thinks.

I'd pull in, I firmly believe that courtesy can be contagious

however all he did was hold you up while you decided that that warranted putting his life at risk by overtaking in less than ideal circumstances. If it had been safe to overtake other than at the passing points you would have done it earlier, you didn't indicating that in your rational mind you knew overtaking him was not safe. You cannot argue that his actions endangered his life as he was at no risk until you made your decision. He was rude and inconsiderate but the worst possible outcome of his actions was to hold you up and cost you a bit of time. You understandably lost your cool and your judgement and the worst possible outcome of that is the guy getting killed.
So although he may well have been in the wrong that would be no defence in court.

I'm confused about the people driving to GT comment, can you elaborate Glupton? Unless you mean it the other way. That singletrack road from the motorway to Glentress is a hoot, I've had wheels off the ground along that one, I suspect I'm not the only one.

S'fun playing Devil's avocado...

TJ: Obstructing a public highway is an offence. IE, if the cyclist was deliberately obstructing Glupton, then fair enough. Sounds like they were just using the road, as they were legally entitled to.

I can find nothing that says a cyclist has to pull over for a car, anywhere. I am prepared to be enlightened.

I can appreciate that Glupton (or any driver) would feel frustrated and annoyed, but that's tough. Maybe the cyclist was being a knob, but I can't find anything to suggest they were breaking the law.

I reckon the police would laugh at you, were you to report it.

As Glupton hazzunt actually specified the amount of time he was held up for, I can only assume it was not all that long, really.

I've made impatient drivers sit behind me and wait, until it's convenient for me, to let them past. Why should I interrupt my journey, to let them past? Is their journey more important than mine, or their need to get past me more important than my safety? From my point of view, is it bollocks.

Yes it might annoy people. I couldn't really give a shit, tbh. It's them getting all steamed up by being held up for a few seconds or so, not me. Their problem to deal with. Tough shit. Stop crying, and get over it.

So some of you may need to get off your high horse (bike) and see the argument from the other side

Quite.

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Good for the heart, apparently...

avdave - you have made a hell of a judgement there based on very little information. I would argue that he risked his own life by riding like an inconsiderate bell end.

Samuri - that is exaclty what i mean. the fact that you are getting wheels off the ground on any of the roads round here tells me that you haven't a clue what you're doing. stay away if you're going to do that shit.

Is their journey more important than mine

I expect few things are

Anyone fancy a piece of Jamaican Ginger Cake?

Nice and moist.

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Was driving near Slaidburn a few weeks ago - came round a bend to find both lanes of the road full of "Roadies", i slowed but put my hand on the horn and kept moving.

Must have been 40 unhappy cyclists - inconsiderate fools. There are a lot of people useing the roads out there and maybe enough room for us all - with a little consideration. I drive no more than 1000 miles a year as i don't own a car, it makes me happy, fewer miles - fewer fools.

I ride a road bike - considerately - as well as a Mountain bike.

Rudeboy I am not getting into a longwinded argument on this one (been there before on this forum) but how much experience has a London boy had on singletrack roads (driving or cycling)?
**** even TJ sees the point on this one.

"I get stuck behind muck spreaders and other farm vehicles all the time - it happens when you live in a rural area - those folk pull over and let you past."

Hahahahahahahahaahahahahahaaahhaaahhaa.

That was a great joke, the bit about how the tractors pull in. Not round here they don't me lad.

Smee you could argue that all day in court it would do you no good. By waiting for the passing place you've already indicated that you don't think It's safe to overtake on the narrow road. The only point I'm trying to make is that when you get it wrong in a car then the consequences can be pretty horrific AND DRIVING ANGRY IS REALLY NOT A GREAT IDEA. The whole beard rant just shows your rational judgement has been effected. The guy is clearly a rude obnoxious arse but that is not yet a capital crime mores the pity.

how much experience has a London boy had on singletrack roads

Ooh, none whatsoever, of course, because I've never ever been out of London, have I?

FFS...

Glupton's been held up by some bloke on a bike, got a bit annoyed, beeped his horn, and expected the bloke to get out of his way. Rightly or Rongly, the bloke din't. No-one's actually provided any proper legal information on this, to suggest the cyclist was breaking any law.

Does sound like the bloke was possibly being a knob (I have said this already). does not in any way sound like he did owt illegal, though.

Cheeze, chill out! God help any of you if you had to drive or cycle in London!

And in other news; war, destruction, disease, famine...etc.

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I think people are confused by the concept of a singletrack road. It's like a road that is only wide enough for one vehicle, with passing places to enable traffic to pass. It's very different to a narrow country lane where you can safely pass the cyclist eventually - in theory you can be stuck behind someone for 20 or 30 miles if they don't cooperate. It happens - I've been stuck behind a c*ntend on singletrack roads plenty of times - Ok for a mile or two but when it's 30 miles (e.g. Lairg to Laxford Bridge) it's deeply frustrating and you'd quite happily sell your kidneys for some James Bond gadgets to blow the ****ers into the loch you're dawdling past.

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Most people who are used to them (so folk who live in SW England, mid-wales, west of Ireland and Scotland) know that "passing" means enabling both traffic you meet [i]and[/i] following traffic to pass. It applies equally regardless of whether you're on a pedal bike, motorbike, in a car, truck or bus. It's not just narrow, it's one vehicle wide only.

The cyclist was clearly in the wrong, both per Highway Code and per etiquette and convention.

Based on what he has written, Smee was in the right to alert the cyclist to his presence, but not to pass him in a dangerous manner.

Is this what it sounds like when doves cry?

DavidB - that is because you probably live in the deepest darkest depths of swindon or some god forsaken palce like that.

avdave2 - I have enough skill and judgement to not get it wrong in a car at 10mph. Here is an idea - you tell me where I passed this gimp.

how much experience has a London boy had on singletrack roads

Ooh, none whatsoever, of course, because I've never ever been out of London, have I?

FFS...

Are you a politician ,you tried to answer my question without actually answering it.

The cyclist was clearly in the wrong, both per Highway Code and per etiquette and convention.

Provide evidence please. I would seriously like to see it, as I've found nowt to suggest this is the case.

'Etiquette and convention' = bugger all in a Court of Law.

Was that the road? Maybe Glupton should provide pics, to help support his argument.

How long were you actually held up for, Glupton? Come on, don't be shy...

Good one, this. Another Glupton Ton, for sure...

Rudeboy - I gave you proof earlier.

Where?