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The missus has just got home from a road ride.
Coming out of Hathersage on the way up to Fox House a pair of pox ridden, fetid, gapes in a white transit* decided a) to pass close enough to her at 30+ mph to b) be able to smack her on the arse hard enough that there's a definite hand print still present a good half hour later now she's home.
She's OK at the moment, although pissed off. I haven't got angry about it (yet!) more just resigned/disappointed, which in itself speaks volumes about the relationship between riders and drivers.
She's in the process of reporting it to the police (irritatingly it's right on the border of S. Yorks & Derbyshire, so she has to go through the process twice).
Googling around suggests that the vehicle is insured and MOTed but not taxed...
Any ideas how I could go about tracing further info about the owners? I have a pair of old bombers, and a very full bladder can be arranged.
Be careful out there folks!
*she has the reg, but doesn't want it broadcast here as/when it goes to court.
there's a definite hand print still present a good half hour later
Pics?
*Not for us. For the Cops.
there's a definite hand print still present a good half hour later now she's home.
And you believe her story? 🙂
Tax expired end of July - surely they'll get a visit for that anyway.
Hopefully the police will treat this as the assault that it is rather than just a "cycling thing".
Pics taken.
Gary - that's not exactly a helpful comment is it?
Onza - they are.
It wasn't meant to be - see smiley
Was there any witnesses? The lack of tax should ensure a visit from the police I hope, but they might not be able to do much with the close pass & assault without another witness or some CCTV etc.
Let the police locate the culprit. What are you going to do if you find them?
Police are currently treating it as assault.
And yes, there is a photo, but Jon is not stupid enough to post it on here. Or to disbelieve me.
Bloody hell, nightmare for you Stealthcat, so pleased the police are on it, and hope they get strung up for assaulting you. Jon, totally understand your anger at this, and as tempting as it may be to resolve it alother way the police is the right option to take.
Terrible stuff. Well done for reporting it. Even if they can't charge and can only knock on their door it sends a message that this isn't acceptable and is reported. Plus, somewhere you'll be a statistic.
[url] https://www.gov.uk/request-information-from-dvla [/url].
Hope you're as OK as you can be. Is this a sexual assault?
Check A+E.
My mate once smacked a traffic cone at about 45mph from the window of my car.
He then turned very white. His arm was broken. 😆
There are some horrid people around. Damn right it's sexual assault.
I hope the police get somewhere with it - keep us updated.
Hope you are okay stealthcat. There are some utter twunts out there and I hope they get the book thrown at them
Clearly a sexual assault on top of driving offences. Serious offence and expect it be dealt with accordingly.
for it to be sexual assault
A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally touches another person (B),
(b) the touching is sexual,
(c) B does not consent to the touching, and
(d)A does not reasonably believe that B consents
would be hard to prove a "slap" on the ass is sexual.
Remind me to cup your balls next time I drive past poah 🙁
Next time it could be a cyclist who panics and ends up under the wheels. It should be treated as seriously as it can and then they might think twice about doing it again.
Exactly, akira. What a stupid thing to say, poah.
Massively twuntish behaviour. Hope a prosecution comes from this and that you're ok stealthcat
would be hard to prove a "slap" on the ass is sexual.
You are from every workplace in the 60's and I claim my sixpence.
I don't know how a "slap on the ass" could be considered anything other than a sexual assault.
If he is successfully prosecuted he will be on the "register".
would be hard to prove a "slap" on the ass is sexual.
would you do it to a child/ your MIL?
it's sexual.
Pleased to hear that the police are taking it seriously. (best to chase up in a week or so and double check).
If you have a choice beween classing it as an assualt or as sexual assualt, I'd be looking up the conviction rates first before deciding.
would you do it to a child/ your MIL?it's sexual.
When I slap my wife on the ass it's not sexual every time I do it. It's not like touching someone's breasts or cupping their balls.
Are you telling me when my mum spanked my bum when I was naughty that it was actually sexual?
Do you slap other people's wives on the ass?
Are you telling me when my mum spanked my bum when I was naughty that it was actually sexual?
It is when she does it to me*. 😉
*note for the easily offended : this is a joke, albeit a tasteless one.
[quote=km79 ]If you have a choice beween classing it as an assualt or as sexual assualt, I'd be looking up the conviction rates first before deciding.
I doubt that's particularly useful information when deciding how to go with a specific incident given the huge difference in levels of evidence between those two offences when looked at as groups. If this goes to court, the evidence will be the same and the victim will be the same whatever the charge is.
If you did it to a total stranger in a pub would you be surprised if you were accused of sexual assault? This is no different.
What an awful thing to happen. Hope you're (both) ok.
Actually an easy way to judge this one: would a heterosexual bloke (one with '70s attitudes) slap a woman on the bum? Would he slap another bloke on the bum?
Do you slap other people's wives on the ass?
That's not relavent to wither it's assault or sexual assault. Are you under the impression I condone the actions of the passenger? Slapping someone is clearly assault, wrong and in this case was highly dangerous.
It is when she does it to me*
Neceophilla is illegal btw
would be hard to prove a "slap" on the ass is sexual.
I assume you are not from planet earth?
I'm struggling to conceive of how a an adult male smacking the rear of a lady not known to him and who has not provoked him could be construed as anything else frankly.
Anyway enough and arguing the specifics as this is stw and will get us nowhere. Hopefully the guy gets the book thrown at him and learns a lesson.
Ass? How is slapping someone's donkey sexual assault?
Did you mean arse or are you American?
Should be an interesting story for the daily mail and bbc, who at the moment seem to have a thing about cyclists.
Thankfully the lady wasnt hurt by falling off, and has the reg number etc,
I know this is STW, and the OP knows this is STW, but it may not be the right thread to start a spelling pedantry contest. TBH it probably wasn't the right thread to start a debate over what constitutes sexual assault, sorry!
Hope you are both OK.
"TBH it probably wasn't the right thread to start a debate over what constitutes sexual assault,"
I only asked (my assumption was it [b]is[/b] a sexual assault) as I was going to make the point, as somebody has already, the idiot who carried out this assault would be quite rightly going on the sex offender register.
Any ideas how I could go about tracing further info about the owners? I have a pair of old bombers, and a very full bladder can be arranged.
A friend ordered some bike bits recently and asked the chap in the garage if he wanted his address, chap said it was alright he'd found it off my friends car reg number. Just a thought.
In my opinion, without witnesses, there's very little chance this will go anywhere with the police to be honest. I recently had my collar felt (wrongfully) and they told me before the interview that there were no witnesses and no evidence other than say so by the accuser so they "expected" me to deny it and that would be that. It all smacked of them not wanting to deal with it to be honest, but then maybe they knew it was a bs accusation. Also be aware if they did talk to suspects they will probably release the accusers name to them, good innit?
When I slap my wife on the ass it's not sexual every time I do it. It's not like touching someone's breasts or cupping their balls.Are you telling me when my mum spanked my bum when I was naughty that it was actually sexual?
You're either a really bad wum or a right p***k.
Context makes it assault, the absence of a relationship makes it sexual. It's very simple. You have in fact proved this point with your post, you're just a bit too stupid to realise it.
In both of your examples above there is a relationship which makes the behaviour either not assault or not sexual.
It is exactly like somebody touching your breasts, are you seriously suggesting that you would be less offended by a stranger smacking your wife's bottom than you would if they felt her breasts?
Sorry just to add jonedwards/stealthcat I am sorry to hear what you have experienced. Hope they catch and deal with this **** appropriately.
This thread remind me of [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/slapped-arse ]this one from a couple of years back.[/url]
I was shocked about how many posters on here didn't think it was assault.
Jon - hope your missus is ok, must have been scary and made you very angry.
When I slap my wife on the ass it's not sexual every time I do it.
If it's not sexual, presumably you treat other people the same way. Complete strangers aside, when was the last time you slapped a friend on the arse?
Would it be acceptable for one of your female friends to slap your wife on the arse?
Would it be acceptable for one of your male friends to slap your wife on the arse?
Or you know what, here's a litmus test: Go into work tomorrow and the first female colleague you pass, give her a cheeky little slap on the arse. Keep us informed as to how that works out for you.
Jon - hope your missus is ok, must have been scary and made you very angry.
+1. Too many arseholes in this world.
Any ideas how I could go about tracing further info about the owners?
As tempting as it must be I would give it a miss. Given that you have reported it to the cops if you had a direct discussion the cops might get a tad suspicious. Although that said sadly i suspect she wont be the only victim of the morons so could take that line.
Not a pleasant post to read Jon/ stealthcat.
Personally and I can only word this in a non "legal" way.. I think it's a personal violation and indefensible.
Hope they are traced by the police.
Glad she is OK and well done to her for recalling the number plate. Now you will need some evidence of who was in the passenger seat. That will be harder. CCTV footage may help.
As for the photo did you include a ruler? Not for the size of your wife's derriere, more for a guide to the hand size
It is sexual assault and there is case law. They could well go on the sexual offenders register (it has happened)
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/bum-slap-builder-branded-a-pervert-1029785
would be hard to prove a "slap" on the ass is sexual.
What could it otherwise be? How could you prove it's NOT sexual?
So sorry, OP, to you and yours - can only guess how utterly infuriating that must be.
Sorry to hear Jon/Stealthcat. Shameful really. Hope the police catch and the culprit is prosecuted.
I'm genuinely sad to hear this and can only echo the sensible replies before in saying well done for contacting the police and one can only hope that there is some retribution.
+1. Too many arseholes in this world
Yeah, a few them deserve a good slap!
😉
You're either a really bad wum or a right p***
The latter
Leaving out the idiot posts - this is serious; it's unwanted sexual behaviour, it's an assault as in it's unwanted physical contact, it's dangerous driving. At the most basic human level, it's offensive; then we have the slightly more informed view as expounded in so many earlier posts - other than poah; wtf is he on?
See Cougar's post(s) above ^^^
Other than that, it's ok; errr, no it absolutely is not.
If the police are slow to respond, I strongly suggest you escalate quickly before it drops off their radar.
Use social media at the first sign the police are not showing much interest; email chief constables in both forces telling them you are sharing this in print/broadcast/social media, post to both forces' fb & twitter accounts, contact relevant local papers - sheffield star being one?; contact local radio; set up fb chat group; a petition to both police forces challenging their lack of response.
If it was any female family member of mine I would have pitchfork and sharpened weapons at the ready, waiting in lay-by on your missus's route and then wait for halfwits to trundle along. After that..........
No, I'm not joking.
Meathead bloke on a bike + blonde wig + lycra. Lay a honey trap.
I don't want to sound negative here but further to my post above I don't hold out much hope of the police making a big deal of this. But I'm saying this in hope that you can prepare for the brush offs that I think are inevitable rather than trying to put you off following it up.
(some basic assumptions follow)
A lack of witnesses or corroborating evidence is a big one.
The fact that it would have been the passenger who did the deed distances him from the registered keeper who is the only person whose name the police will have.
There's also how relevant they see you as being. Coming across as someone who could kick up a stink as suggested by Frank [i]could[/i] be useful. Definitely something to keep up your sleeve.
Personally I've had enough of police. There are some good ones but the majority I've dealt with are arrogant, ignorant and negligent, enough of them to make me mistrustful of all of them, that's sad.
I hope you find a competent one, it may be worth trawling through social media and seeing if you can find a local one who sounds ok and asking for them, they seem to love twitter and all that crap nowadays.
Update: Police are treating this as sexual assault; they have been to take a statement from me, and say they have identified the van's owner.
I could be wrong, but I got the feeling he might be quite well-known to them...
Ace. Let's hope they get a result.
Good stuff. I'm glad it's going in the right direction.
that's good to hear, can your wife identify the person that did the slapping?
Anyone slaps my arse they'll hopefully get filmed facing right into my rear light/camera (Fly6 or whatever they are)
Just wondering what would happen if the driver didn't identify the passenger who did the slap. His story being giving a lift to stranger, vauge acquaintance "only know his name is Bob", looking at the road didn't realise he did anything, all that sort of stuff. Would the police actually be able to do anything ? 🙁
Section 59, seize the van and crush it?
Sounds like it's going in the right direction
I did make the point to the police that if the passenger was close enough to hit me, the van has to have been way too close...
Some people are just arseholes stealthcat. Hope he gets a nice big fine at the least.
if the passenger was close enough to hit me, the van has to have been way too close...
Unless, of course, it was someone with similar arm length to Perchypanther, then they'd be able to smack you from the other side of the road.*
*Joke, obvs. No one has arms as long as PP...
Edit : Also - anyone else seeing that shit Monty Python sketch about psycho cars when reading the thread title?
Those of you on here who don't think this is sexual assault. It doesn't matter what you think. You may want to do some research before you post but that's not my problem.
That is all.
What Frankconway & curto80 said, basically.
I know we often put humour in threads (more often than not) but this isn't even remotely amusing.
It was by all accounts, assault & dangerous driving & couldv'e ended a lot worse than it did.
I know we often put humour in threads (more often than not) but this isn't even remotely amusing.
That's not aimed at me, is it...?
I did make the point to the police that if the passenger was close enough to hit me, the van has to have been way too close
And probably placed that close, deliberately so the offence could take place.
Hope you get a result.
Coincidentally, about a year ago and just up the road from there the passenger leaned out of a white transit and tried to slap me on the head as he went past, at about 30. Did it to a guy behind me too. Wonder if it's the same van.
That's not aimed at me, is it...?
No idea as I haven't dissected every post, but if the cap fits........
This is no jokey matter. If someone slapped your wife's arse in the street would you think it was ok? Just the same in this case innit.
Even potentially & more importantly is the dangerous driving bit.
Hmmm, untaxed transit van,
Horrible attitude to women,
got the feeling he might be quite well-known to them...
Am i the only one thinking that this may be an induvidual of "transitory abode" ?
but if the cap fits
Ah, gotcha.
In which case, no; I have a pin head, as per that other thread. 🙂
Update (or not) on this.
I got a call from SYP on Saturday 16th saying that the offence had taken place in Derbyshire Constabulary's area, so SYP were sending the details to them, and I should hear in "three or four days".
Nothing.
I don't have a contact for Derbyshire, and don't know whether the crime reference was also transferred, but they certainly haven't been in touch.
I have tried to contact Woodseats police station to see if they can tell me what has happened, but they don't answer the phone, and don't reply to voicemails or Facebook messages.
Now at the point of signing up to Twitter to see if that gets me anywhere - any other suggestions?
Contact SYP to ask them what the new ref number for derbyshire is, it should be linked.
SYP aren't talking to me either...
Call 101, wait for 15 mins, and then you'll probably get through to someone who can give you the new reference number. Woodseats isn't manned; Snig Hill in town centre is the nearest.
Sounds like an awful experience made worse by the police 'losing it down the back of the sofa'.
Whilst it seems feeble, signing up for a twitter account and copying in something like the local paper or british cycling might help. Most institutions/companies don't like to have someone complaining where everyone can see it and it can't be removed.
If the po-po have dropped it/turned a blind eye then I'd kick up all hell making everyone aware that you've been sexually assaulted and that something needs to be done, especially if he's a known person to them. Post the vehicle reg on every form of social media you can lay your hands on, especially in the local area as it's likely someone will know him..