It seems to me that at the higher end, say above £3,500 (ish) eBikes have reduced sales of non motor'd mountain bikes? I say this because i think of all the people i know who've bought a new bike in the last 6 months, none have bought anything but an eBike.
I'm not sure if this is because eBikes are more suited to how a lot of people ride (esp people likely to be money rich but time poor) or because they are "new" and therefore have effectively actually made people buy a new bike before they would have done otherwise?
I wonder what the sales figures for 2018 look like across the price segments?
This will end badly.😉
I say this because i think of all the people i know who’ve bought a new bike in the last 6 months, none have bought anything but an eBike.
I don't know anyone who has bought an e-bike? Does that cancel it all out? What's your demographic?
Or for a better idea how many 5-9k bikes are in the sales at the moment?
My lbs sells fairly high end bikes, SC, Orange, cervelo, Ridley, pivot, genesis, Saracen, focus, orbea, and so on, so many I struggle to remember.
He has a hard on for his ebike sales atm, every time I speak to him, no idea of numbers, but he's a good business brain on him. Focus ebikes seem to be his pet faves the noo.
It's the new "n+1" - see also fat bikes a few years ago and possibly gravel grinders. For serial buyers it's the current must have.
I've bought an Ebike and a Geomtron in the last six months so in a sample of one they're both selling.😉
More sensible answer one of my LBS's is banging out Ebikes like you wouldn't believe.
Probably, but it was always the case that the guys in any group that actually rode every week and were handy on a bike were never on the most bling bike. The S-works and titanium bikes were always the time poor, cash rich guys. E-bikes have just given them the bikes they actually want/need (because titanium, kashima and XTR doesn't actually make you faster). There's exceptions, but in the real world where most bikes in any group I've ever ridden with cost <£1500, even the statistical odds of the fastest person being on the expensive outlier bike are slim, and now that expensive outlier is electric.
It’s the new “n+1” – see also fat bikes a few years ago and possibly gravel grinders. For serial buyers it’s the current must have.
Not convinced, they're hugely expensive for the really good ones. I'm a serial n+1 buyer, but all my bikes (XC, gravel, CX, fat, jump/4x, road) probably average £400 a piece!
A while back I said that it wouldn't be that long before MTB was seen as a powered sport.
Thought that was daft at the time but still thought it would happen. Still do. Non-E bikes will be a niche for a smaller number of XC types who like pedalling for hours on end, or entry level 'muck about in woods' riders aspiring to own a bike with built in uplift as soon as they can.
I know two people who have bought ebikes.
Neither would have bought another bike instead.
Both are a bit older.
Neither are what you call 'cyclists' Although are now improving.
One has always been into motorbikes and sees this as a sort of in between.
He now often rides it to work.
Whereas he wouldn't ever previously.
(Too hilly)
The other uses his for social cycle rides with his wife.
Again, they hardly ever went for a cycle.
They now do.
They both thoroughly love them.
I'm not seeing any of these high-end ebikes round my way, just a few of the cheaper hybrid-style ones, mostly on the back of motorhomes.
What about sales of non mtb e bikes?
I bought a new ebike last year, I’d never have bought a normal mtb as my 10 year old one is fine as an ornament 😁, I liked my ebike so much I’ve bought another one and I’m now out 4 or 5 times a week. I am now considering a replacement for my 10yr old normal bike but it’ll be a £1500 bike no more, I’ll always use my ebikes as they give me the speed I need to enjoy my riding.....I don’t enjoy just riding for riding sake I need the buzz of speed. Was the same with my motorbikes tbh
I ride at Wind Hill and every week and there's no shortage of new, high end bikes there. Only see one or two e-bikes each time.
JP
It seems to me that at the higher end, say above £3,500 (ish)
Get with the program(me).
£2000 was entry level according to STW's 'inspirational and aspirational' new philosophy and that was a few years ago.
If you really don't want to be s****ed at behind the wheel of your premium SUV, surely £3000 is the minimum you should be spending to represent the lifestyle you're buying into?
I have just built/bought a new bike? It’s not an ebike and would be class’s as high-end. I won’t be buying an ebike for a long time yet. It’s just not what I want from the hobby.
Seeing more and more of them and I'm confident they're taking a fair bit of the money that middle aged men (and the odd woman) might otherwise have spent on a posh non-E bike.
Non-E bikes will be a niche for a smaller number of XC types who like pedalling for hours on end
Care to put a timeframe on that? I'm sceptical personally. The UK riding scene is incredibly strong at the moment and more people than ever are getting out in the hills where an ebike could become a liability.
I reckon they'll become a fairly big niche for "self uplift" kinda riding at places with long draggy climbs (Inners, Grizedale, Hebden) - plus for the middle aged gadget lovers and people who don't think they can get fit.
I'm having trouble giving my money to a bike shop for a new high end bike so they must be doing well.
Care to put a timeframe on that?
No : )
Maybe XC as a niche is a bit strong, it could well come back as the trail/enduro side does move to e-bikes. And there's always the XC Euros who will keep pedalling uphill alive for us.
I reckon they’ll become a fairly big niche for “self uplift” kinda riding
This is the exact reason I bought mine.
I've got a Geometron and I'd love a Spesh Levo. I could get out of bed an hour later every morning. I never ride to work because it's a 6 mile uphill slog of death into town. On an e-bike it would be a breeze and I could get out to the Peak for a legit mountain bike ride every night on the way home.
If I didn't have other really expensive stuff on my plate this year I'd be ready to buy one I think.
I reckon they’ll become a fairly big niche for “self uplift” kinda riding at places with long draggy climbs (Inners, Grizedale, Hebden)
funny thing is there's such a #cyclistlifestyle clique thing going on in inners (not a new thing) that hardly anyone's riding E-bikes there or the Golfie. might well change. but all the decent riders I speak to are still a bit funny about having one themselves.
some right narrowminded blikered thinking and attempted pigeonholing going on here as usual with every Ebike thread. take this load of absolute bollocks for a start.
but it was always the case that the guys in any group that actually rode every week and were handy on a bike were never on the most bling bike. The S-works and titanium bikes were always the time poor, cash rich guys. E-bikes have just given them the bikes they actually want/need (because titanium, kashima and XTR doesn’t actually make you faster)
is there even any point in pointing out the obvious?
“out in the hills where an ebike could become a liability.”
They’re no more a liability than a normal bike - you can ride them without power. Total system weight is only about 10%, so less difference than going from a 42t biggest sprocket back to 36.
funny thing is there’s such a #cyclistlifestyle clique thing going on in inners (not a new thing) that hardly anyone’s riding E-bikes there or the Golfie
Doesn't have to be the cool kids doing it, but the snob factor is a big reason why ebikes won't take over as jameso predicts.
They’re no more a liability than a normal bike
Maybe I should have said "where an ebike would be a pointless extra weight to carry up a steep, rocky mountainside".
@Chief mine's running a 36t and 11-50t for winter.
I've barely ever used the 50t while motor assist is on but the 50t sprocket means it's no more difficult (and not all that much slower) than my regular bikes to ride uphill while it's off
Having ridden a giant e trance at bike park Wales for a day I found the bike way too heavy on the downs clunking over everything and nose diving the drop offs, much more of a handful to ride than the yeti I normally use even though the uphills were a hoot though that all changed when the battery went flat! For me I’d sooner have a top end mtb than an ebike at the same Money!
Maybe I should have said “where an ebike would be a pointless extra weight to carry up a steep, rocky mountainside”.
you should probably have said nothing at all TBF
I've been pushing and carrying DH bikes up stupidly steep, rocky difficult to walk up mountainsides since back when they weighed more than my current Ebike does. Seeing as the Ebike is a more capable Descender than any of those old DH bikes were why wouldn't I take it the same places? Clue: I didn't buy an Ebike through weakness, age or lack of fitness. I bought one because they half the climbing time and allow me to enjoy more of the parts I actually enjoy in a ride and spend less time riding the shitty bits I don't.
Yeh the extra weight of an ebike.. Why?
If you're old or disabled in some way, fine, I've no problem with that.
I bought one because they half the climbing time and allow me to enjoy more of the parts I actually enjoy in a ride and spend less time riding the shitty bits I don’t.
Weirdo.
Climbing is good for the soul.
Perhaps you could just get a season ticket for Alton Towers? 🙂
Trying not to sound like a dick here, but I got an ‘expensive’ ebike 3 years ago, I’ve bought 4 normal bikes since, 2 of them were considerably more than the ebike, and the ebike is below average value in a collection of 7 bikes.
As mentioned above, I reckon they will simply be an n+1 for folk who are already big into MTB, get them for self uplift, days they aren’t feeling 100% but want to get out, or commuting.
People who get into ebikes from the outset, may even get something simpler, or to get fitter once they are used to cycling, or want to ride with mates who aren’t electrified, or want to race.
High end bikes are going to be as popular as they ever were/can be.
I would be tempted but the relatively high failure rate of motors means buying new with warranty is the only real option and even then it seems risky with out local dealer support
Ive heard some of the stw big hitters rave about em so was looking fwd to a go. Even had funds available.
Reverse mtbing. Hilarious fun uphill, rubbish downhill, awful on twisty singletrack. Annoying on/off power surge. Silly heavy.
Just felt disconnected and like a completely different pastime tbh.
Anyway, I'll have another go in 5 years.
The folk who want an ebike will buy one, the folk who want a non assisted bike will buy one. I don't think it's an either/or question.
If you’re old or disabled in some way, fine, I’ve no problem with that.
Don't say that, Gerx and singlemindedstu are riding gods, and we're just too poor and jealous anyway.
On another note, of the (admittedly relatively small) sample of ebikers I've seen, every single one of them has had a portly belly straining gently at their neon enduro tops. Generally quite pink in the face too, and not too happy about being out in the elements.
Trying not to sound like a dick here
And succeeding, as usual.
Pint after Hit the North?
I think some people need to read the question the OP asked again.😉
Is name calling the best you can do tom.
Bit sad really.
Pint after Hit the North?
If by ‘pint’, you mean ‘de-fib’, then absolutely!
(For those that don’t know, it’s because I haven’t ridden for 6 months due to a recurring foot issue that first reared it’s head at a solo 24hr mtb race I’d entered, not cos I’m a perma-unfit ebike biffer)
Wasn't asking for marks out of 10 Stu 🤨
True about the recent crop of ebikers I've seen though. Very unhealthy looking bunch. It's nice that they're out there trying though. Bless.
As to the OPs Q. Yes, probably some money that would have been spent on higher end bikes is probably being spent on ebike. Though I suspect that a large percentage of them will have been bought as more of a 'lifestyle' purchase. Your keen bikey types may buy one, but most will still buy (or own) a decent normal bike too.
Personally (we are still allowed personal opinions aren't we?) Out of the maybe 20 or so keen cyclists that I know relatively well, not a single one has bought an ebike. Yet 😉
Reverse mtbing. Hilarious fun uphill, rubbish downhill, awful on twisty singletrack. Annoying on/off power surge. Silly heavy.
I suspect that was a setup problem on the bike you tried. My Trek is ace downhill including steep rooty alpine singletrack, loamy flat out stuff, decent sized jumps and drops.
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Can't be bothered.
And just to be clear I don't gas.
And please stop calling me Tom like you know me.
Ooh, ninja edit from stuey 🤣
And please stop calling me Tom like you know me.
And it confuses me.
This will end badly
You are Nostradamus and I claim my £5
tom* you sound like Mik now...
*Not tomhoward.😁
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I would be tempted but the relatively high failure rate of motors means buying new with warranty is the only real option and even then it seems risky with out local dealer support
The motors aren't actually all that complicated tbh. So if you are half competent at pulling things apart and fixing, should be some fair bargains to be had in the next few years.
Battery use and what's left in the tank there are more of a concern tbh. As well as spare parts, obviously.
Just talking out loud but there must be a market in "refurbs" waiting to happen? given the crazy price of them. Guess a lot of that depends on how the spare parts market goes, if it develops?
I bought an ebike about 18 months ago. Since then I’ve bought 3 ‘high end’ (if that’s what £3500+ means) non ebikes, one of which has since been sold. So, on my sample no ebikes won’t replace high end non e-bikes. They are all fantastic fun in their own way!
the snob factor is a big reason why ebikes won’t take over as jameso predicts.
I could be wrong on this but I don't think snob factor will be a big reason. But higher prices and a downturn coming up, and/or a load of road/gravel riders getting more into XC could mean I'm off.
The motors aren’t actually all that complicated tbh. So if you are half competent at pulling things apart and fixing, should be some fair bargains to be had in the next few years.
No need at the moment. Manufacturers are desperate to be the reliability or ‘sort you out’ guys, as that’s peoples concern. So much so that if you wrote ‘bosch’ in tipex on a 3rd hand shimano motor, they’d probably warranty it.
It'll be interesting to see what effect Brexit has on UK pricing.
Potentially adding 10-20% to prices is on the cards I'd suspect.
Though will an extra £400-500 make much difference if you were happy to spend £3000-4000 in the first place?
Might have been a set up problem but a mate who was also having a borrow (different bike) came to the same conclusions. Ran em dry after 3hrs too.
“Having ridden a giant e trance at bike park Wales for a day I found the bike way too heavy on the downs clunking over everything and nose diving the drop offs“
I’ve noticed MotoX bikes jump bad too...
Can't we just unify and come together in a shared hatred of unicycles or something??
colp. read it again.
rubbish downhill, awful on twisty singletrack. Annoying
I think he was describing most STWers who pop up on threads like this and can't cope with Ebikes. not the actual ebike.
Yeh the extra weight of an ebike.. Why?
Probably because I'm not weak AF.
Is the extra weight noticable? Yes. Can I cope with it and ride it just as well as I can my regular bikes? absolutely
I’ve noticed MotoX bikes jump bad too…
I've heard it's why Travis pastrana went back to jumping this
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The motors aren’t actually all that complicated tbh. So if you are half competent at pulling things apart and fixing, should be some fair bargains to be had in the next few years.No need at the moment. Manufacturers are desperate to be the reliability or ‘sort you out’ guys, as that’s peoples concern. So much so that if you wrote ‘bosch’ in tipex on a 3rd hand shimano motor, they’d probably warranty it.
dunno, bosch already selling a 100 quid refresh kit for their motors, they only come with a 2 year warranty. So I dunno.
Is the extra weight noticable? Yes. Can I cope with it and ride it just as well as I can my regular bikes? absolutely
aye ye get used to the weight after a couple of rides, so much so that it just becomes second nature.
I'm no riding god(a million miles off it), but what I'll ride on my ebike is exactly the same as I'll ride on a normal bike. there's just no difference.
And they aren't even that hard to get over fences...
We've found that E-Bikes have opened up a new market mostly for people who would not have bought a regular bike . There are others who share the philosophy of Geex and are already cyclists but prefer the downs to the ups or are just time poor and want to get more runs in or do more descending in the same amount of time because that's what they enjoy . These people usually have a pretty capable regular enduro bike or similar so the E-Bike is an extra purchase that they would not have otherwise made . There are others who are getting on a bit and want the added assistance of an E-Bike who would otherwise not be cycling any more . We've even seen a customer buy an E-bike because he was well over 20 stone and to unfit to cycle . The E=Bike allowed him to get out in the hills , lose weight and when he hit 15 stone he bought a non E-Bike . So in short mostly good news for the bike shop where I work .
they only come with a 2 year warranty
Warranty resets if you get a new one (says in the vid). I took my Spesh for its first general service, after just less than 2 years, motor was replaced as the bearings were grumbly, got a current gen motor back, with a fresh 2 year warranty.
Pro tip... Always take the bike in just before the warranty runs out, you never know your luck...
Yip, I know, but they still wouldn't be selling the kit of they were planning on this warranty for ever.
it's pretty funny all the fitness posturing you hear from folk so "fit" they also think a 48lb bike is too heavy to lift over a gate or bunnyhop. 😀
Whoever mentioned snobbery. it's pretty much the reason anyone here dislikes anything that's not what they themselves do. Fitness snobbery is just weird.
Whoever mentioned snobbery. it’s pretty much the reason anyone here dislikes anything that’s not what they themselves do.
It's just fun and light piss taking out of folk who think they know it all.
Like you. 🙂
More people enjoying playing in the countryside - good, as long as they're not being dicks about it.
People getting all judgeypants about other people's experiences and choices - dicks.
I'm not fit. I'm 49 with two ****ed knees and breathing issues.
I don't want an ebike. Yet.
In ten years I'll be all over them like a cheap suit.
And I reckon you'll still be trolling like a gud'un. 🙂
I have a Levo. It is fun to ride. Uphill, downhill, but especially uphill, tight, twisty single track. It is not a toy, and definitely not for a beginner. It takes skill and strength to ride it. It is not for the infirm or unfit.
Like a £3500+ normal bike, I would guess most purchasers are already mtbers.
To answer the OP. I’m not sure. But that’s based on my skewed perception of bike buying and my circle of friends.
I only know two people with ebikes. One bought one because he’s lazy. A lifelong biker who now can’t keep up with his son, who happens to be a riding god.
The other has bought one in addition to his normal bike. He’s a really good rider, but just fancied an ebike to keep up with his mates who all had one. He still mostly rides his normal bike.
The two friends I rode with today, one bought bought a high end non-ebike, even though he’d be the usual suspect, and the other is waiting for her high end carbon FS to arrive.
And then there’s me, who really needs an ebike to keep up, riding a plus SS.
Trolling? Nah... Sorry rusty. Never heard of it.
Good old fashioned piss taking? Yeah! I'm all for that. Especially when surrounded by dumbasses furiously typing away attempting to take the piss out of younger, far faster, stronger, hugely more skilled, far more knowledgable and vastly better looking folk than themselves. It's kind of effortless. a bit like climbing on an Ebike, eh?
I don’t want an ebike. Yet.
In ten years I’ll be all over them like a cheap suit.
Yeah why have one now when you can wait until you're even more weak, wheezy, unfit and scared of hurting your knees. Or are you waiting until your local trails have stannah lifts installed at all the gates?
Yeah chap. you definitely know what's what and can rip the piss like a champ!
Good old fashioned piss taking? Yeah! I’m all for that.
Well sweetie, it appears you can give it, but you can't take it. 🙂
Especially when surrounded by dumbasses furiously typing away attempting to take the piss out of younger, far faster, stronger, hugely more skilled, far more knowledgable and vastly better looking folk than themselves.
That's more like it.
It’s kind of effortless. a bit like climbing on an Ebike, eh?
Not for you, your coming across as trying waaaaay to hard.
Has someone touched a nerve?
Too close to home?
Yeah why have one now when you can wait until you’re even more weak, wheezy, unfit and scared of hurting your knees.
Because I still like riding an ordinary bike. Uphill and downhill.
Or are you waiting until your local trails have stannah lifts installed at all the gates?
It was you who said riding uphill was 'shitty'. Make your mind up. I thought God was infallible?
Yeah chap. you definitely know what’s what and can rip the piss like a champ!
Well, you seem to be a bit upset.
Have you considered going for a nice bike ride to calm down? 🙂
You really do come across as an arrogant, humourless arsehole with far too high an opinion of yourself and a very thin skin.
Are there any frame only e mtb bikes available yet? I fancy trying one, but I've got a load of parts I could fit to a frame to make the initial cost lower
Doubt it, because then they wouldn't be able to charge you more for ebike specific(!) Wheels, forks, saddles, etc.
I wonder what the sales figures for 2018 look like across the price segments?
Was the actual point of the post. A quick Google would suggest the data is not easy to come by. Total bikes sales but not by price or type of bike and nothing for 2018.
Although you can answer your question "are high end mountain bikes with out motors selling". It is Yes they are as many on this forum have bought them.
Now you can all carry on with the willy waving. Apparently Geex has the biggest one (well according to him anyway)
Oh... Rus. Do remind us all why you're still returning here banging away attempting to put down emtbs and their riders?
Because I still like riding an ordinary bike. Uphill and downhill.
hmmm...
Yeah. As do I. Still have 10 of 'em and still prefer the handling of an ordinary bike so ride one just as much as I do an emtb. Putting in more effort or going slower doesn't magically mean I'd find repeating the same long dull climbs exciting or even particularly fun. Quite the opposite infact. Knowing all about ebikes I'd have expected you to know this.
Well, you seem to be a bit upset.
Over the words of some misinformed random spouting rubbish on the internet? Ha ha... don't make me laugh. I aint no snowflake.
humourless arsehole
Whoooooooooshhhh... and in the words of Johnny Lydon "Ooooh a naughty word?" You wouldn't be brave enough to name call in real life away from the safety of your keyboard and you know it. It's kind of pathetic you've resorted to it here when you aren't getting your own way.
a very thin skin.
Quite the opposite honey.
@Julians not very many frame options out there at all ATM unfoirtunately. Best bet would probably be to speak to an LBS with links to an importer and buying one of the generic shimano steps Astro eng frames direct from overseas. But then you're left dealing with your own motor/battery purchase and warranty and it'd probably end up more expensive. Easier to buy a lower spec model of your ideal bike, sell on the new parts and fit your own.
they are becoming more and more popular everywhere I go....
im sick to death of them already - then the owners (usually lazy middle aged men who cant be arsed to pedal uphill) have to chirp in with 'I only use it on the low setting', for some kind of justification for being a lazy bastard.....
I really do not get them....
(puts up shield)…..
Interesting to see at least one response from somebody in the trade.
Getting back to the original question; I think, probably, yes. I don't think it would be worth the investment fom manufacturers if all they were doing was getting people to buy the ebike that cost them a fortune to develop instead of the high end bike they already had. I'm guessing that the aim at the moment is to sell an extra bike to a few keen cyclists but mainly to expand the market i.e. to try to sell an ebike to people who wouldn't normally buy a bike.
A lot of the debate online is between people who are already keen mountain bikers, but really we are irrelevant. The ebike will remain an option for mountain bikers, just like it has been for many years. It's popularity will no doubt wax and wane but that's not what matters. What matters is whether it suceeds in expanding the market as that is what will bring in the cash to drive developments. Personally I'm sceptical on that front. I think, in the short term, there are people who don't really like cycling but think they might like it if it were a bit easier. In the longer term I suspect that, if you don't like it, making it a bit easier won't change much. But we'll see.
So what's worse then? Conversations about ebikes or conversations about brexit?
Oh… Rus. Do remind us all why you’re still returning here banging away attempting to put down emtbs and their riders?
I'm not. 🙂
I'm pro ebike, always have been. I'm just anti know it all.
Whoooooooooshhhh… and in the words of Johnny Lydon “Ooooh a naughty word?” You wouldn’t be brave enough to name call in real life away from the safety of your keyboard and you know it. It’s kind of pathetic you’ve resorted to it here when you aren’t getting your own way.
Apologies for that, I was out of order. But you do come across that way on this thread, as you've automatically assumed I'm anti ebike when I've said no such thing.
Conversations about ebikes or conversations about brexit?
Apparently 87% of Brexiters aspire to an eBike. Make of that what you will.
Apparently 87% of Brexiters aspire to an eBike.
Fake news, if we didn’t have them in the blitz, we don’t want them now. Plus theyre all forrin.
I love my ebike as I get to go as quick as the top 10% of people I see on strava on their clockwork bikes, the other 90% just get in the way wheezing and puffing their way up hills and then using none of their lightweight advantage going downhill so still in the way. Hopefully there will be some ebike only trails so we can get on with going fast and not have the slow people on clockwork bikes clogging the trail up, there is no fun in going slow it's all about the speed man 🙂
appology accepted dude. I know you're not a bad fella.
I also know you're pro-ebike. It's just that you have very little experience of them and I find your decision to stay that way for a further 10 years pretty odd.
anti know it all to the point of not listening to any experience is also a pretty odd trait
I don't actually claim to know everything about emtbs at all. infact my experience and knowledge are only good regarding one emtb genre and motor. But I do have well over 150 riding hours experience on that and know I'd have had one in my 20s if something as good as I have now had been available (as well as the DH, XC, DJ, BMX and road bikes I've also always had).. I shudder to think back to just how many hours in total I must have spent pushing a 46lb DH bike uphill all day (almost every weekend for over a decade).
It's just chat about bikes. I've never really taken it seriously and you have probably missed a lot of the (dry/dark) humour in what I type. Despite how I might come across nothing on here is worth getting worked up about and falling out with folk over.
Peace bruv 😉
If I could buy 2 new high end priced bikes, I would definitely buy 2 ebikes. 1 for me and one for my kid. It would enable us to go riding together so much more than we do! Would be brilliant.
If, however, it was 1 bike, it would be a proper MTB for the lad and he'd have to learn to love pedalling uphill. Cos he doesn't like it, no sir. Dilemma really.
But I wouldn't buy just an ebike for myself, or just an ebike for him, that just wouldn't work.
Dunno where that means I sit in the City of Bickerdom.
If I could buy 2 new high end priced bikes, I would definitely buy 2 ebikes. 1 for me and one for my kid. It would enable us to go riding together so much more than we do! Would be brilliant.
I'm very proud of my lad, who having just turned 10 can ride anything I can and, tbh, on a good day on the road bike, can probably outride me on the climbs! He'd love an eBike, of course ('cos he can ride faster on it!) but he's super fit and certainly doesn't need one. I'd much prefer to modify my own riding to accommodate him, than put batteries under his saddle. I accept that I'm very fortunate here though, and other kids will need a lot more encouragement to get out and ride all day, but mine likes the climbs!
Off round the Rochdale Evans ride on Saturday and the only power he'll need will be Haribo 🙂
dilemma over guys
Ebikes aren't legal for 10yr olds. The law says 14 and over in the UK I'm afraid.
nothing stopping you towing them on your eeb though
My son is 16.
Ebikes aren’t legal for 10yr olds. The law says 14 and over in the UK I’m afraid.
As an academic exercise, wouldn't this only apply for on-road use and not off-road?