Looking at the results from last year's SITS, there's a lot of solo riders finishing in 24:00: and a few seconds.
Why do they do that ?
You don't "have to" go out for another lap if you get back in under 24 hours, so why not just finish then instead of hanging around to cross the line after the 24 hours is up ?
Hypothetical situation...
Rider A has done 9 laps. At 23:50:00 he is 1km from the finish. He doesn't feel like doing another lap so he hangs around and crosses the line for 10 laps at 24:00:30
Rider B has done 9 laps: At 23:55:00 he is 1km from the finish. He puts in a final sprint and crosses the line for 10 laps at 23:59:59, then retires without taking the opportunity to do another lap.
Rider B was 5 minutes behind Rider A, but has now moved up one place on the results. Why didn't rider A hold him off by carrying on and finishing at an easy 23:59:00 ?
Yes you do have to go out on another lap if you come in before 24h, you have to complete the lap you're on when the clock gets to 24 hours, not finish inside of 24h
Why not, it was nice sat in the sun for 5 mins waiting for the horn to sound! 🙂
Yes you do have to go out on another lap if you come in before 24h, you have to complete the lap you're on when the clock gets to 24 hours, not finish inside of 24h
You what now?
They can't disqualify you for not going out again. That's not what last year's SITS results show.
For example...
34th with 14 laps in 12:04:38 and...
35th with 14 laps in 20:29:23...
both beat four riders with 14 laps in just over 24 hours.
Yes you do have to go out on another lap if you come in before 24h
No you don't. You just do the same amount of laps in less time.
Yes you do have to go out on another lap if you come in before 24h, you have to complete the lap you're on when the clock gets to 24 hours, not finish inside of 24h
Only if you're riding on a treadmill.
We called it quits before 24hrs in 2008 and got a DNF
Looks like the rules have changed since 2008 then, Pieface.
Maybe I should have kept quiet. There's a chance I might be Rider B in my example above and gain a place or two on the last lap. 😉
Taken from the rules emailed through with the entry confirmation.
Yes you probably can quit & get your result to stand if you cross the line at 23:59:59, but not really in the spirit of things is it?
If a racer comes in before 2pm, then the next rider on the team must leave for another lap. If you've had
enough by then, you must wait before the finish for the final 2pm horn/cannon/21 gun salute before
finishing. Lurking before the finish is allowed provided you don't get in the way.
The Endura Sleepless in the Saddle officially finishes at 2 pm on Sunday afternoon. Riders still out on the
course at that time will have to finish their lap before the team's lap total can be counted. Teams that do not
complete this final lap will be classed as non-finishers.
Also from the Rules emailed through
Oh, OK.
It looks like there's a difference between the rules for this year's event and the published results for last year's then.
i think it only really applys if you are in the winning squads and laps up on others ...
they still publish the results as per finishing - not with the DNFs but if you were elligable for a prize - (1st - 6th i think it is ) and you finish at 23:30 youd not be elligible for prize
trail_rat has it, at least for Mayhem and SITS.
It does depend on the individual event rules though, for example at Bontrager 24-12 it is NOT a requirement, so Matt Page was able to stop well before midnight in the 12 hour race having achieved an unassailable lead. On the other hand 4th place in the 24 hour race couldn't catch 3rd and couldn't be caught by 5th but still went out for a bonus lap because he wanted to and actually un-lapped himself on 3rd place so does not show on the results as a lap down.
Some events even run the rule that only laps completed WITHIN the 24 hours count, so its always a good idea to know where you stand before you head out for those final laps.
I had a situation in a 4 hour race when I knew the girl in second wasn't that far behind me. I got to the finish with about 3 mins to spare off the 4 hours. I lurked to see if she would go get back in time and be competitive enough to go out again, cos I really really really didn't want to. So I can understand lurking in a 24 hour.
There's only 8 solo veteran males entered.
This is the nearest I've ever come to a chance of a podium place.
It's still unlikely, but I'd best stick to the spirit of the rules, just in case.
yeah i finished the puffer 20 mins before the 24hr mark cause i was miles behind jase in 3rd and ahead of 5th by a fair bit and had lapped the 2nd place singlespeed guy - but had thought he was ahead of me so kaned my self for my fastest lap of the event as my last lap .... came in destroyed
read the rules - abide by the rules and youll do no wrong really
On the other hand, if Rider A gives up at 12:00 and goes to bed, while Rider B carries on until collapsing unable to continue at 23:00, rider A can then go out and pootle round for one last lap after an 11 hour break at 23:00.
Rider B has stuck to the spirit of the event and gets a DNF.
Rider A has stuck to the rules and gets a place.
yes that can happen ...
Aside from anything it's nice to cross the line after the final whistle - there's a big crowd, etc.
wot clubber said, it's nice to have a proper finish, shake pat's hand, get the cheers etc etc.
At the Muck Off 8 i rode start to finish non stop until finishing a lap and stopping about 10 mins before the 8 hours.
My mate stopped for about an hour or more, did less laps but because he went over the line after the cut off got a place and i got a DNF.
Felt gutted as I could have lurked and beat him but I suppose its best to know the rules eh!
The gorrick 100 gave places on laps completed, hence I beat a few people just by going out for a second one 🙂 (and dying a horribly muddy death)
Colin-T - Member
trail_rat has it, at least for Mayhem and SITS.It does depend on the individual event rules though, for example at Bontrager 24-12 it is NOT a requirement, so Matt Page was able to stop well before midnight in the 12 hour race having achieved an unassailable lead. On the other hand 4th place in the 24 hour race couldn't catch 3rd and couldn't be caught by 5th but still went out for a bonus lap because he wanted to and actually un-lapped himself on 3rd place so does not show on the results as a lap down.
Some events even run the rule that only laps completed WITHIN the 24 hours count, so its always a good idea to know where you stand before you head out for those final laps.
The words of a MM final lap specialist.... 😆
The default setting is "out on course" due to the placement of the timing mats and the pits.
So if you start the lap and then get back to the pits you haven't actually completed the lap, it's worked out when either you or your team-mate starts the next lap. Come into the pits and slope off to your tent and the computer still thinks you're out on course hence the lap times of 6+hrs you sometimes see when someone has gone for a sleep, the computer simply counts it as "being out on course" for 6 hrs.
So if you pulled out after 20 laps in 23.59.00 you'd show as a DNF and be beaten by someone who's done 5 laps and finished in 24.01.00.