I find the genesis sizing quite weird and generally run small. So I would consider getting a size up, depending on how high you wanted the bars
Jimmers, sorry, but I sold the road bike to buy this so I can't compare. This is shorter though, no doubt about it.
Sam, I thought exactly the opposite to be fair. The frame isn't as compact and has less stand over size for size than most compact road frames. It's got a more horizontal to tube. On top of that it's designed for a different type of riding. The 54 CDA which has identical geometry felt quite long to me, pretty similar to my Madone in fact. I wanted shorter and more upright.
I've got the luxury of working in a bike shop, so I can easily compare lots of different bikes as they come in and decide what's the best fit. I'm very happy I chose a size smaller than is technically correc for me. 🙂
@TurnerGuy Which Croix de Fer have you fitted Nanos to? I want them on mine, but doubt they'd fit.
No problem Pete. I've got a Tricross SS that has 53cm top tube (same as 50cm CDA) but is a 52cm frame size hence the question.
Anyway it's a cracking bike. Already been bike packing and kept up with MTBers on it. Got a cross race on Sunday. Definitely "big grin" riding kind of bike!
@TurnerGuy Which Croix de Fer have you fitted Nanos to?
I have just swapped from a croix de fer frameset to a Kinesis Tripster, which takes the big tyres. Just wondered whether they would fit.
As I still have the cdf frameset I will have a look this weekend, as the WTBs are very good indeed.
Peter - glad you got sorted. I just cant seem to get fitted properly on genesis bikes without going up a size or 2. Ironically on a test ride I liked a 60cm CDF.
Your bike does look nice, almost makes me want to get a rack for mine 🙂
Sam, the new 2015 models do have revised geometry. Might make a difference?
I've put a more minimalist Tortec rack on it now, that was an old one I'd got knocking about.
Liking the look of this
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That's the Tour De Fer frameset only colour scheme someone has built up into a full bike. Looks nice. I really want to buy one of those but the full bike is a bit of a bargain and I like the red colour so will probably go for that.
robdob - I agree with you. The red appears to be a nicer colour (not seen either colour in the flesh though).
I prefer the red as well, that looks pretty nondescript, but it could be the lighting.
Somehow I think a touring bike should be a darker colour, no idea why.
Croix De Fer 30 ordered yesterday 🙂
Croix De Fer 30 ordered yesterday
If I didn't have all the bikes I already need I'd be following you down the shop with my credit card in hand. The 30 is possibly the ultimate commuter bike.
Although the Day One Di2 comes close too- an interesting concept, certainly
^^ the n+1 rule applies, hence I sold my 11 month old Croix De Fer yesterday to make space for it 😀
Had a good poke at the 30 the other night at launch event at SprocketsCycles which convinced me !!
Be nice to see that when it arrives Iain. 🙂
I'm probably missing something, but that there Croix de Fer 30 - bit pricy, is it not?
My Croix de Fer, about an hour ago.
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Dale - its not cheap but the brakes and sti's are £500 on their own. When you tot up the 105/other Shimano drivetrain, carbon fork etc I think its definitely less than the sum of the bits.
Frame - £475
A >full< 105 groupset from Merlin - £325
'Upgrade' to those brakes - £375
Leaves you the best part of £600 for wheels and bits and that's not taking into account the money you could make back by selling the 105 bits you don't need.
My Croix de Fer, about an hour ago.
There is something elegant about a plain black bike with those tubes. What is the frame bag and can it carry much?
Frame bag is this - http://www.wiggle.co.uk/deuter-front-triangle-bag/
In that picture, it's holding a mini pump and the battery for the Chinese Deathlaser front light. I usually have my phone, keys, cash and cards in there too. I can get some food in there too without it feeling too full.
It basically carries what I'd usually carry in jersey pockets, without me having to wear a jersey.
I've bought a very similar SKS bag. Doesn't fit as my frame is too small. Bugger.
I still think it's a good buy. Am I wrong ?
back to the falling off lezyne light - I've had that. The mounts are sh@te - you have to be really sure you've got the light in properly
they've changed the mount now so it is longer and wraps right round
I've bought a very similar SKS bag. Doesn't fit as my frame is too small
I have also bought the SKS one, on the back of a thread last week. I havent tried it and anm now 'in between' with my Croix De Fers. My frame is a 54, wondering if it will fit, what size frame is yours ?
edit - just reread your first post, so looks like it is too tight on a 52..
iainc - Member
I still think it's a good buy. Am I wrong ?
Well, erm, aye. It's overpriced, underspecced and not black. Whatever tickles your pickle, I suppose.
hmmmm, well the Press seem to think it's good value 🙂
from BikeRadarSo, whether its for use as a rugged commuter, a tourer or a general adventure machine the Croix de Fer 30 is undoubtedly well equipped for the cash. We don't think they'll be hanging around.
Anyone know when the 30 will be available?
Ta
But I just clearly displayed that it's not good value in about 3 minutes worth of online shopping?
powerofra - Member
Anyone know when the 30 will be available?Ta
yes, LBS says they expect the pre-ordered ones to be in store last week in December
In fact, if you spend ten minutes, you can spec the frame, those brakes and shifters, a mix of Ultegra/105 chain, cassette, crankset, front and rear derailleurs and a Hope Headset for 1100.
Wheels, lets say £250 (I paid £200 for XT hubs laced to Archetypes with DT comps).
Leaves you £400 for a seatpost, saddle, bars, stem and bits.
Just saying, like. Talk amongst yourselves.
just as well my LBS is good with discounts on complete bikes then 🙂Leaves you £400 for a seatpost, saddle, bars, stem and bits
I was wondering whether to include that discount or not.
I'd expect to pay closer to £1400 for this bike if I walked in the shop today. But I'd also get about the same discount on the separate parts if I ordered through them.
Thanks ianc.
Nothing odd about sizing is there? I'm between 5 10 and 5 11 and ride a size 56 cotic x currently. Thinking 56 genesis would be best?
Daleftw - yeah I think thats a reasonbale full bike price too.
powerofra - the geometry is up on the Genesis website, so would be easy to compare the key important ones with what fits for you. I am same height as you, but short legs, long back. My 2014 was a 54 and I have orderd the 30 in a 54. Compared to this years model the new one is 7mm longer ETT but 10 mm shorter stem, so same size pretty much. The head angle on 2015 is a bit slacker too.
Managed to ride it a bit more at all PP?
I'll chip in about mine, been using it solely for riding to work and going to the gym so it's been 100% tarmac so far but I absolutely love it. I've never liked riding road bikes before, hence the flat bars and pedals, but I really enjoy this which is good as getting up at 05:10am to ride in isn't easy!
Just had a set of full mudguards fitted the other day, the bike shop though they might be a bit tight with the Conti tyres but there's loads of room, as for the tyres though they're a bit sketchy in the wet. Was riding home the other day and stood up to power off a roundabout and the front end slid out about 12" but luckily I managed to stay on! The only thing I dislike so far is the brakes, they're awful and just don't seem to slow you down very well at all so I'm probably going to swap either for some BB7's or some normal MTB hydros.
As for the geo I'm 6'3" with a long body and I've got a 58cm which is perfect even with losing a few inches at the front with the bars.
Contemplating getting the CDF 10, as components spec is fine for my needs and will get upgraded when I wear it out (and the red is nicer looking than the white CDF20) however I noticed that the frame is not Reynolds 725 steel like the CDF 20 & 30 and is "Genesis Mjolnir Seamless DB Cr-Mo" - how does that compare? Does the cheaper model feel dead in comparison? Worth shelling out more for the 20 model?
Dunno. Not ridden a 20.
I doubt there's much real difference tough, TBH. It's a reasonable double butted steel, it rides nicely, feels reassuringly solid and it quite comfy.
Lighter wheels would make more difference than different tubing. I might change my wheels, I've got some hubs kicking around.... might pop some nice Mavic 29er rims on them.... Might not bother..... 🙂
Just to echo what Peter said. Decent wheels made a huge difference to my kaffenback.
However I also rode an older 725 CDF and it did feel springer. I would recommend test rides.
holdsteady - Member...I noticed that the frame is not Reynolds 725 steel like the CDF 20 & 30 and is "Genesis Mjolnir Seamless DB Cr-Mo" - how does that compare? Does the cheaper model feel dead in comparison? Worth shelling out more for the 20 model?
my cdf has a '520' sticker on it, my equilibrium has a '725' sticker on it.
how much difference can i 'feel'? - none that i'm aware of.
i would be extrememly surprised if the new "Mjolnir" tubing was not as 'good' as reynolds 520.
i would [i]not[/i] be surprised if it was in fact exactly the same stuff, from exactly the same factory, but without the expense of paying for the licence to call it 'Reynolds' tubing.
(i'm not claiming that to be the case, but i wouldn't be at all surprised)
Got a Croix de fer 30 on order, was due 21/12/14. That date has now gone back until the 18/1/15. Not sure if this date is valid for all pre orders but I did get my order in reasonably early. So check with your LBS if you have one on order.
As for value, getting mine at trade price and on the bike to work scheme, so that's about £700
Well mine turned up last month after a bit of a wait. Lovely bit of kit. A few little changes to make to it from stock. Shorter stem, women's saddle (it's my wife's bike) and attempt some tubeless tyres. Looking forward to getting it mucky on some long rides come the Spring. Got the Sandstone Way pencilled in once the days get a little longer again.
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great write up,glad you love your new bike pp 🙂
tbh i would love to get one for myself (just lacking the funds tbh).
although there is a newish bike shop where i live that stocks genesis bikes (along with scott santa cruz e.t.c/really sucks when you are poor 😉
i would go for the bike you bought if i had the money as i love the look of it.
Mjolnir is the name of Thors hammer. It's worth getting the 10 for that alone.
Heres my new bike all built up, few tweaks to make, bars dropped a bit and see where we go from there. I've had a few rides now and its very nice indeed 😀
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great bikes, love mine 🙂
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Hows everybody finding the conti cyclocross speed tyres? I fancy some offroad tyres to get out and do some exploring now, but still want some sort of speed on the tarmac. Wiggle reviews have them as excellent,CRC have them as crap, too many punctures. So, whats the verdict here then, or is there something else worth having a nosey at?
I have done around 1000 miles on the cross speeds between this bike and previous. Only 1 puncture. They roll very well on road and are quite capable on trails. Crap in mud
Thanks ianc, they do look like just the kind of thing I'm after, I think I'll give them a whirl.
Houndlegs... I have x2 cyclo-cross speeds taken off my 2015 croix.... With about 30 miles on. 26.99 on chain reaction (they are 35mm folding). I would do both for 30 Inc post and PayPal fees if you are interested.
yes please don, my email is in profile, let me know how your pp address
I agree with Iain. I wouldn't bther changing the tyres unless I was gong seriously off road. When I wear mine out I'll probably replace them with the same or very similar.
On another note, I've got full dynamo lighting with USB charging on mine now, and I'm just about to do 3-400km touring round Belgium next week.
Also, has everyone with the steel fork had their warranty replacement yet?
Mine have been replaced I just need to go and pick it up tomorrow. As for the tyres I [i]think[/i] the two reviews are two different types, one is the folding version and the other the standard. I'm sure it was the folding version that was horrendous for getting flats.
How are people finding the standover height?
I recently tried a Specialized Diverge in 54cm and found the fit quite good especially the reach to the bars, the local bike shop can do me a very good value build on a Croix de Fer but with my short legs the top tube looks awfully high, dropping to a 52cm starts making the effective top tube a little short.
On the tyre front, do people notice a difference off road between a slick(ish) tyre and a lightly treaded one
They'll both be useful when its muddy, but on a dry track what's the difference? I suppose when it's wet there'll be a small difference
My cross bike had WTB Nano 40Cs but it's currently running 32c marathon plus tyres, so have gone from small amount of tread to almost no tread
I'm thinking about getting some Knard 41 tyres. Does anyone know if they'll fit?
I would say almost certainly yes.
I run 40mm marathon supremes that come up just a tiny bit over measured with callipers. I have around 5/6 mm of clearance between the tyre and seat / chain stays. The closest bit is the swing arm on the front mech - this can get pretty darn close to the tyre (~2 mm or so) but never rubs. Could always file a bit off or just run a single ring.
oh mine is the Croix 30 with carbon fork. around the same clearance between tyre and inside blade of the fork. I am not sure how wide the clearance will be on the steel fork of the Croix 10 or 20 mind you.
^^don, did you ever get the brake lever travel sorted out ?
from here:
http://www.einsteincycles.com/blog/what-we-like-wednesday-surly-knard-700x41
"The tire comes in a 27tpi and 120tpi, with the latter serving as the tubeless option, depending on your rims. While the tire is a 41mm, the width of your rim will influence the actual diameter of the tire mounted. We measure the tire at 37mm on a more narrow road rim, and 42mm on a wider road rim, and 43mm on a 29er rim"
I doubt you would be able to run guards or anything but if the 42mm is correct, you will have space for it.
yeah I did Iain, I just advanced the pads with a shim slightly narrower than the brake disc. This seats the piston slightly further out than it would do adjusting against the shimano disc.
Lever bites almost immediately now. Also chucked a 180 disc on the front and some new race matrix pads and now I can stop on a sixpence.
I guess you did that as part of a bleed process ? Sounds a good result !
I've not yet investigated how to get into the reservoir to bleed them !
I have bled them yes but you don't need to do it to advance the pads. The trick is to close them up a fraction by using a slightly thinner than disc wedge. You can do it without a wedge and just pump the lever once.
Definitely worth doing if you like minimal lever travel (like me).
It's real easy to get into the reservoir... Just peel back the rubber hood and you will see the filler plug.
They bleed easy just like the mtb brakes.... Used the cup and all kit that I use on mtbs.
many thanks, will have a pop at that, cheers
Well being as my thread has resurfaced again.....
I've been riding the bike 4 days a week since I got a new job I could cycle to. So I'm putting on about 65 miles a week on it now, and it's spot on for the job of bumping up and down kerbs, using cycle paths and carrying me and my lunch to work.
I've also made a few changes:
Far wiser to use lights that have a decent fitting system instead!
They are now bolted on dynamo lights front and rear. Busch and Muller Luxos U (with USB charging) at the front linked to an Exposure dynamo. They work. I never turn them off.
Wider bars and Bar Phat like I said I would, which help a LOT, and a Madison Flux (AKA Charge Spoon) saddle as the OE one was grim.
I also did a 300 mile tour round Belgium on it, where I found [s]don't like[/s] ******* hate touring on drop bars. Never again.
The bike was fine apart from that, oh, and a spate of punctures (6 in a mile) that had me relying on a kindly Frenchman (Still in France, just off the ferry) to take me to a bike shop for tubes and a new tyre.
The OE Contis are nice, but they are paper thin. I must have ridden through some tiny shards of glass and I couldn't find them to get them out, every time I pumped the tyre up it just punctured again. Be warned.....
You do like to moan about drops pp don't you! See I am the opposite, I find touring on flats horrendous. Each to their own 😉
But agree the stock contis are plop. I punctured twice on my very first ride. Week later swapped to marathon supremes and not a single puncture in 2000 miles. Damn..... Done it now haven't I!
touring on flats horrendous
It might be... Dunno... I use risers!
This is my proper touring outfit:
Flat pedals (ride in any shoes)
Risers (Comfy, see the scenery)
Discs (LOTS of weight to stop)
Trailer (I carry most of the camping gear. We don't travel particularly light)
22/34 bottom gear (See above)
26in wheels (Strength)
Mrs PPs bike (Background) is a Ridgeback X3 hybrid. Calling it a hybrid is a disservice really, it's closer to a lightweight 29er MTB. I've lowered the gearing to 22/32/44 + 12-36 and added rack, mudguards and a Spesh ladies saddle for her, but otherwise it's box fresh. As far as I can see it's the closest thing to a decent non-drop-barred tourer available right now.
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I'm sure I'm massively missing the point here, but I feel compelled to ask (PP and other touring afficionados): When you're loaded up like that, isn't it incredibly slow? Where do you go?
I think I would lose patience after half a mile, ditch the trailer and return home for some lycra and a road bike (and then pay for a B&B).
Superficial its all about the journey not about how quick the journey is 😉
Superficial.... YEAH tis very slow. Heavy and hard work. But it's combining two of the things I love the most, camping outdoors and cycling. It's the freedom to go where you want, do what you want and once unloaded and camp set up, explore.
Oh and iain, meant to send this to you yesterday.... If you not seen it, here is the user manual for the sti levers regarding bleed and resevoir:
many thanks for that link, cheers
Based almost entirely on this thread I have just gone out and bought a CdF 10, just got it back to the office. The sun is shining, and there's only an hour and a half to go til I can ride it home along the river! Can't wait!
When you're loaded up like that, isn't it incredibly slow?
Damn straight it is!!! What's the rush? It's all about the ride, seeing stuff you don't see when you're in a rush/in a car. Our moving average is usually around 8-10mph. I work on 1 hr per 10 miles plus an hour for a day's touring, so 40 miles = 5 Hours, plus elevenses, lunch, a quick pint, a snooze under a tree.... that sort of thing.
Where do you go?
First time we did North Devon coast down to Padstow, over to the south coast and back up to Exeter
We've also done Walney To Whitby then down to Scarborough ( http://cyclingw2w.info ) where I towed that trailer up to the Tan Hill Inn, the highest pub in England.
Also Newcastle to Edinburgh ( http://www.coast-and-castles.co.uk ) then back round to Berwick on Tweed
Last year we did a route based on the Sustrans Celtic Trail ( http://www.sustrans.org.uk/ncn/map/route/celtic-trail-west ) and finished on the Gower for 3 days.
This year its a route based on Hadrians Cycleway ( http://www.cycle-routes.org/hadrianscycleway/) and Lochs and Glens south ( http://www.sustrans.org.uk/ncn/map/route/lochs-and-glens-south ) basically Ravenglass-Carlisle-Glasgow
We take the train to the start, then the train home from the end. It's usually around the 300 mile mark in total, and it's out main holiday.
Few more pics?
Campsite at a brewery? Ok then!
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11 mile climb out of Innerleithen, midddle ring most of the way!
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Me
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No cars
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Through a golf course
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Somewhere on the Yorkshire coast between Whitby and Scarborough
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Up to Tan Hill
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You need to look for roads with grass growing down the middle!
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Waiting for a ferry in Devon
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This is why it's slow!
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Mr Poddy, thats living the dream son 😀
It's fantastic. It's THE BEST holiday ever. 🙂
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Bump!
So, how good would a '16 CdF 30 be for general winter road riding, with the occasional gravel foray? I'm thinking to lower my eye watering target of an Enigma Ecroix, but need to keep up on the road club rides.
It'd need to sit on the turbo as well, how does Rynolds 731 deal with sweat - a serious corrosion concern? 8)
I've the CDF10 (2016 version) and it's fine for that use, you might have your work cut out on the club rides though 😛
Drape a towel over the top tube plus make sure you wipe it down afterwards and you'll be fine.
The 16 one is a bit cheaper than the 15 version, but loses the carbon fork. Mine does all my winter road, some quiet rough road touring and a few gravel forays. Very pleased with it and would imagine the 2016 one is similar.
I don't have a turbo, but can't imagine it would corrode unless you sweat acid 😀
Yeah I love mine (2015 cdf20) as a winter road bike. I presume you'll use a spare wheel on the turbo - although the stock tyres are reasonably slick in the centre I think they'd be annoying.
As above, you'll find keeping up on club runs that bit harder but you'll be grateful of the extra speed come summer.