i somehow orded a kingdon lunar 680 carbon bar 
so i though i'd get a new stem to go with it, at the moment i have a 100mm one that came with the bike. i have been thinking about jumping on the short stem bandwaggon to see what all the fuss is about.
so what size do most people have/ recomend for a hardtail that i use for alsorts, trail, hills, rocks etc
anybody? i was thinking an Easton Haven 70mm is this short enough of a short stem?
70mm. I have been running this length for over ten years, occasionally try a 90mm to see if I'm denying myself any benefits, but no.
Its always going to be a personal choice though. The Haven is pretty pricy, I would see if I could borrow one, or buy a cheapy just to try the fit first though.
It depends on;
Effective top tube length
The length of your torso
The length of your arms
The height of the front end
Bar width
The type of riding you will be doing
Plus a bit of personal preference and probably a few other things I have missed.
You can't just tell someone to fit a __mm stem and expect everything to be fine and dandy.
I thought it was short stem and wide bars that were on trend, and that wider bars offset reach issues with shorter stems. Either way, as said above no one can tell you what's right for you, I wouldn't go spaffing big bucks on a combo until I knew what was right for me
right then, looking like i'll get on ebay and get a few cheap stems
Put an ad on the wanted's here, there is usually plenty of kit floating about.
I run 711 bars with a 50mm, should be with a 60mm really (a bit twitchy) depends on your Head angle (mine is 68) 70mm would be a safe bet.
I've been toying with this dilemma as well recently - I have a 100mm stem on :?my 29er and my LBS very helpfully had a rummage in their spare parts box and found an 80mm for me to have a go with. Might be worth asking your to do similar. On the understanding that you end up buying your new stem through them though, I guess.
Haven't yet had time to try them both out in a control experiement to see whether there's any discernible difference.
It's a bit of a brainache as there are so many variables, stem length, angle, bar width, bar rise, bar sweep. 
Impossible to try them all out.
just seen the on-one for £20, will give a 70mm a try
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