Being alongside an HGV is pretty risky even in a car, cos of how long they are. I never pull alongside one at a multi lane roundabout if I can help it.
"Warning Cyclist" I might turn left !
I think those signs are at worst harmless and at best a very good idea. Like most on here, I think I'm fairly safe, concentrate very hard to stay that way and have a decade's experience of riding on the roads. The sign adds nothing to my safety. For the huge numbers of apparently inexperienced people on the road in London in the last couple of years, lessons about the dangers of messing with HGVs do not seem to be sinking in. If the sign reminds a couple of people to be careful on the inside of the truck then I am grateful to the Plumb Centre for making the effort to put it there.
Maybe you should actually read the Times article you link to...
Andym, I used the words "I think" at the beginning for a reason, as I was just saying something from memory. It was only after you eloquently refuted by argument ("Oh bollocks, what complete crap.") that I searched for the article. The point I was making was that attitude and road-placement make a big difference to how safe it is to undertake any traffic, which is backed up by that article.
somebody out there might actually thing you know what you are talking about and follow your advice - and pay the price
My advice is on an internet forum. I'd hope the take it in the same manner they'd take any advice on here. Given that it's on a thread in which the pros and cons are discussed, I'm sure they'll be safe.
Stick to cheap shots at naked estate agents.
Undertaking HGvs at left-hand junctions is dangerous. DON'T DO IT - EVER. No matter how clever and invulnerable you think you are.
Ah, you see I've never recommended anyone do that. I've said it's fine to "undertake" if done sensibly and making sure you can get past while the HGV (or whatever vehicle) is still stationary. Right on a left-turn would be a silly place to do it though, just as overtaking near any junction is dangerous.
im no HGV, (im a 206) but sitting in the left lane of three earlier today (one left, one straight on and one right) a young lady tootles up beside me on my left, at the lights.
i didnt want to pressure her around the corner, so gave her some room (i try to be helpful to cyclists when im driving) and sure enough she tootles straight on.
if ide tried to get ahead of her on the left turn, as so many people do, i would have taken her out good and proper.
hope her lucky streak continues, and when it runs out she learns a lesson without a trip to A&E
TandemJeremy - Member
Undertaking trucks is only dangerous if you let it be. Be aware and its fine. Its all about awareness and appreciation of hazards and those stickers may just help.
go past slowly watching the lights. Get infront of the truck so the driver can see you. If the lights change as you are alongside stop and be prepared to bail - do not ride off alongside a moving truck - that is where the danger is. If one of you is stationary then there is no danger. None. If the truck starts to move and you stop you will be behind the junction still so even if he turns left without indicating you will still be totally safe as you are not in the line of his wheels.
Some of you guys need to learn a bit about riding.
Worth quoting as TJ has it totally correct.
By the way, I was nearly taken out by a lorry which started to overtake me at a totally inappropriate place this morning. As he moved back over into "his lane" he hadn't passed me properly and the last few feet of his lorry (like a massive flat-bed) very nearly took me out. Tosser.
What sign should I have had on my back? "Warning may be moving at more than 5mph"?!
There are many many more dangers out there than this undertaking lark. Be aware of them all and you'll be ok.
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