The other option is we bring them back to the UK and put them in solitary so they can wait 50 years before they get to meet their 72 virgins.

At a cost to the taxpayer of how much? A .338 Lapua Magnum LockBase B408 bullet probably only costs about £3 or £4. If these people could be identified & found, I think the world would be better off if they vanished without trace.

Sounds simple but it probably isn’t.

I understand isis are despicable in every way, a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs.
They need to be destroyed, not tolerated, humoured or understood.

I guess that depends on whether you’re willing to put your money where your mouth is in terms of your values and/or whether you want boots on the ground to be caught red handed killing people on sovereign territory. Aka the Lillehammer affair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

or understood.

With no offence intended chip, I think this is silly.

You bunch of saps can jog on if you think you are getting in my bunker .
Anyone who wishes to turn a blind eye to mass murder and kidnapping of hundreds of women and children into slavery are clearly mental.

Then we need to commit to the operation fully and be prepared to fill the ensuing power vacuum with boots on the ground and PROPER funding for both the military and the rebuilding of civilian infrastructure. Instead of what we had with Bush, which involved the total dissolution of the Iraqi military and grossly incompetent rebuilding programs. Then we need to be prepared to lose soldiers for the next 25 years whilst the locals negotiate with each other to form a functioning country or countries.

But we aren’t prepared to do that because the American and British public want the moon on a stick.

And the little matter of that tactic never working.

History repeats genocidal meglomaniacs tend to not stay confined to their own borders,bigger picture why the **** the Muslims aren’t saying lets sort our own kind out now,before it gets out that we really DGAS about anyone else on the planet who isn’t on the A plan

honestly at what point do you think their going to say ok infidels lets sit down and talk, its a pretty easy to figure out question

didn’t we have one of these threads when Lee Rigby was murdered?

what happened to those two…Oh yeah, I remember, gather evidence, trail, prison.

And the little matter of that tactic never working

Iraq didn’t, however there have been plenty of successful peace keeping operations when foreign military powers have aided governments in countering insurgencies.

Sphincter, japs eye, can of expanding foam. Watch the magic happen!

Then we need to commit to the operation fully and be prepared to fill the ensuing power vacuum with boots on the ground and PROPER funding for both the military and the rebuilding of civilian infrastructure. Instead of what we had with Bush.

Exactly, and every country on this planet who disagrees with what is happening needs to get involved and wipe these people out and work to build a future for the good people of Iraq.

If Islamic state becomes a reality, and become cash rich through oil production there will be a world war if you like it or not.

Aye its a world war but if funda-mentalists get a non conventional capability it wont be a stalemate of the cold war their that desperate to get the 40 virgins they wouldn’t hesitate to risk being smited off the planet .

And by rebuilding Chip, I mean that the world needs to be a little bit of a fairer place. Regions and countries who’s population have no means of bettering themselves economically and feel no real control over their own lives, have a tendency to breed marxist revolutionaries or religious terrorists.

Trade, it’s all about trade. When people have mutually beneficial reasons for not killing each other then it all stops.

and become cash rich through oil production there will be a world war if you like it or not.

Exactly what I said today. What we need is a substitute for oil then the West can say, ‘sorry, don’t need your oil anymore, crack on’.

Again, not so simple.

And that would lead to an entire region being poverty stricken, which would mean regional war that might cross into europe, famine and more immigrants.

You total geniuses!

Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.

Quit frankly you make me sick.

Well Chip, I empathise with your point of view because as a pseudo semi retired socialist – I’d quite like to see the developing world being given a helping hand in escaping political instability and famine. Etc.

problem is that you are just like them as that is what they say about infidels like us. You are both willing to do commit abhominal acts for your beliefs.
as NW notes

You can’t stop the next terrorist by executing the last one.

Before I did anything rash, I’d consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I’d also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I’d also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

Given all that research, what do you think I’d find?

Tom_W1987 – Member
And by rebuilding Chip, I mean that the world needs to be a little bit of a fairer place. Regions and countries who’s population have no means of bettering themselves economically and feel no real control over their own lives, have a tendency to breed marxist revolutionaries or religious terrorists.

And that would take regime change in a number of countries…

You can’t talk about intervention against ISIS without considering the other players.

Ah Africa fine poverty stricken ,nowt to offer no one gives a shit who’s chopping whose kids arms off

Middle east oil to offer it goes mental,

chip – Member
Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.

Quit frankly you make me sick.

Classy move.

Depends on the country Lifer, some of the other softer countries that are more stable can probably be bettered through soft power, trade relations, academic relations and cultural relations….long term stuff similar to what the UN does. Maybe I’m an optimist though.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

I hear your call who do I have to torture and kill- sorry send to the afterlife- for freedom ?

Quite a bit of oil in Africa

And diamonds

problem is that you are just like them as that is what they say about infidels like us. You are both willing to do commit abhominal acts for your beliefs.
as NW notes

If you believe that you are a div, plain and simple.

Oh how you sway me with your powerful use of logic and reason

Tom_W1987 – Member
Depends on the country Lifer, some of the other softer countries that are more stable can probably be bettered through soft power, trade relations, academic relations and cultural relations….long term stuff similar to what the UN does. Maybe I’m an optimist though.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

The trouble is there is a history of the west going into the region under the guise of modernisation, education, trade deals etc whilst actually fomenting revolutions, coups and fixing elections. And people remember things like that.

Sway nothing, it’s the truth, if you believe killing genocidal murderers to save lives of others makes you the same as them you are a div.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

Tom, while I agree in principle, sadly it’s within the realm of education that many are radicalised.

If you think they have a logical process the infidel is already on the hit list

Yup, well we need to put that behind us. But I’ve worked with loads of middle eastern academics and I never once got that feeling from them, they wanted more ties with the west. That’s who you have to get on side, the academics, industrialists and the influential.

Tom, while I agree in principle, sadly it’s within the realm of education that many are radicalised.

Read British born undergraduates. Haven’t heard of any PhD science students being radicalised yet. If a Pakistani student hasn’t already been radicalised in Pakistan they sure as shit aren’t going to be here.

& oh so typically STW goes off on a tangent or two. The original OP was, ‘So….what would you do with Jihadi John?’

Simple question AFAIC & I’ve said what I’d like to see happen.

It is not like he thinks that killing westerners will stop us acting there and save the lives of his people. It snot like he thinks Muslims who disagree are divs ….aye your are nothing like him nothing at all.

I would like to see him offer his services to junkyard as a baby sitter and see if he takes him up on his offer.

esselgruntfuttock – Member
& oh so typically STW goes off on a tangent or two. The original OP was, ‘So….what would you do with Jihadi John?’

Simple question AFAIC & I’ve said what I’d like to see happen.

There’s a more interesting discussion to be had rather than some torture porn circle jerk. Sorry.

chip – Member
I would like to see him offer his services to junkyard as a baby sitter and see if he takes him up on his offer.

😐

I beleive murderous fruit loops should die,
He believes anyone who does not share his religious ideology should die.

We are exactly the same.

In fact, thinking about it, of all the academicsI’ve worked with that I’m most fond of, one was an Iraqi bloke, one was a Qatari bloke and one was an Iranian female, who never wore a headscarf.

There’s got to be something the academic world can do, some sort of west-east reconciliation program or something.

Well, I’m going to need a drink now so I don’t spend the night trying to construct a utopia in my head.

Tom_W1987 – Member
Yup, well we need to put that behind us. But I’ve worked with loads of middle eastern academics and I never once got that feeling from them, they wanted more ties with the west.

Surely that’s a bit of a self selecting group?

Don’t get me wrong it would be great, and I don’t want to sound like I’m crapping over your view. I think it’s just a clash of my pessimism vs your optimism…