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47 posts & 35 voices | Started 1 year ago by mintimperial | Latest reply from GiantJaunt

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mintimperial - Member

Apologies in advance, I want to have a whinge. This:
...used to be about a mile of rather entertaining, entirely legal singletrack. Nothing incredible, but a decent stretch of fun off-road riding nonetheless, and not a million miles from my house. It was well drained, stable, and in pretty good nick, and it doesn't go anywhere that would need a smooth hardpack trail to it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone on it who wasn't on a bike, having a blast. It's certainly not one of the local rambler motorways, and I don't recall seeing any horseshoe prints on there either.

Now it's been "improved" it's smoother than some of the roads I drive to work on, and about as interesting. And they wonder why we persist in riding cheeky stuff. Bah.

Posted 1 year ago #
chakaping - Member

Commiserations.

Posted 1 year ago #
amt27 - Member

same happened to a track when I was down in Brighton,

found out the reason why a couple of weeks later, when an old dear in a mobility scooter was on the track taking her three alsatians for a walk,

Posted 1 year ago #
woody2000 - Member

Just keep riding it, it'll soon develop some interesting lines again. At least they've topped it, track near me had the top layer of nice rocky stuff removed and then was just left - it's now a boggy piece of sh*t.

Posted 1 year ago #
avdave2 - Member

same happened to a track when I was down in Brighton

They've done a section between Woodingdean and Kingston to make access easier to the phone masts. It's been a good few years and it's only just settled down now, horrible to ride on when it's all moving around.

Posted 1 year ago #
CaptainFlashheart - Member

Is it your land? Is it your responsbility? Further that is it a footpath?

Either way, the countryside isn't just for mountain bikers, you know.

Posted 1 year ago #
mintimperial - Member

Is it your land? Is it your responsbility? Further that is it a footpath?

Either way, the countryside isn't just for mountain bikers, you know.

Yes, you're quite right, how dare I grumble about the loss of something I liked on a forum of people who might be expected to sympathise. Disgustingly selfish of me.

I'll just keep my head down and thank my lucky stars that the local gentry don't shoot me on sight when I cross their vast tracts of land on the occasional slivers of legally protected rights of way open to me, eh?

Posted 1 year ago #
RealMan - Member

I'll just keep my head down and thank my lucky stars that the local gentry don't shoot me on sight when I cross their vast tracts of land on the occasional slivers of legally protected rights of way open to me, eh?

Posted 1 year ago #
khani - Member

I can understand doing the boggy bits, but when it's well drained and stable it is just vandalism, They should just leave it alone if it's not turning into a bog

Posted 1 year ago #
Burls72 - Member

Bloody annoying, countries got no money but they manage to ruin a good trail! When I was in the lakes there was a lot of trail 'repairs' just like that. They ruined the Garbun Pass, there was some really good technical sections troutbeck side and they just covered it in small loose stone.

Posted 1 year ago #
Junkyard - Member

nice retort mint imperial

Posted 1 year ago #
Marin_Maketh_The_Man - Member

Burls - Go back and try Garburn again - it's washing away nicely - another few heavy storms and it'll be perfect

Posted 1 year ago #
Legoman - Member

Is it your land? Is it your responsbility? Further that is it a footpath?

Either way, the countryside isn't just for mountain bikers, you know.

WTF are you on about?

You do know this is a mountain bike forum, right?

Posted 1 year ago #
MrSparkle - Member

There has been plenty of 'sanitising' like that on the moors near us. Take heart - the English weather soon destroys it all again and there will be nowt in the budget to do it again anytime soon.

Posted 1 year ago #
Johnbot - Member

Where are these councils getting the money for all that aggregate? I thought everyone was skint.

Posted 1 year ago #
mintimperial - Member

I'm not sure that it is the council in this case. The lads on the diggers and trucks were fixing up a bit of farm track at the top too, so it might be the farmer gussying things up for horsey types or something like that. Farmers seem to be the only people with any money around here at the moment.

On the plus side, though, they appear to be putting a bit of drainage in on another bridleway a bit further up the valley, which will probably make a section of horrible swamp passable if they do it right. Swings and roundabouts, although I'd rather have the old track back. Here's hoping 2011 has some highly localised torrential rainstorms...

Posted 1 year ago #
Coyote - Member

Skids are not for kids...

Posted 1 year ago #
gordimhor - Member

I know the feeling

Posted 1 year ago #
nosedive - Member

it's a disgrace. tbh it just makes me look for cheeky alternatives

Posted 1 year ago #
Waderider - Member

found out the reason why a couple of weeks later, when an old dear in a mobility scooter was on the track taking her three alsatians for a walk,

And why not? Do you think the countryside is reserved for your personal use?

Posted 1 year ago #
Weasel - Member

Got a few bridlepaths near me on the edge of the north downs that have been filled in with chalk, now they are just boring sanitised routes to ride.

Posted 1 year ago #
grannygrinder - Member

This is going to down well :-)
Judging by what looks like stone walls on both sides they may have just been reinstating a trackway/road?
Also, i doubt if the chippings would be for horseriders benefit as it plays f*ck with their hooves.
Does seem to be a complete waste of money though!

Posted 1 year ago #
AndrewBF - Member

Snap!

The council are systematically doing the same around Kirklees.

This was a great narrow weaving singletrack. Used by walkers and horseriders too. Not really muddy, just right actually.

A couple of years ago it was flattened, widened and covered in aggregate / sand which was compacted in. It is hardly a route for wheelchair access - and the drainage channels across the path every 100m or so would scupper that anyway.

So why was it done? And at what cost at these times of cuts?

What has happened in the two years is that water running down the path - it's on a gentle hill - has created grooves and ruts along the path which are a real PITA for a cyclist. The sand and aggregate is being washed away to the drainage channels and off to the side.

A pointless exercise and the spoiling of a great path for walkers, cyclists and riders into a boring sandy strip of blandness.

Posted 1 year ago #
wheelz - Member

And why not? Do you think the countryside is reserved for your personal use?

I don't think anyone here thinks the countryside is for their personal use. This may open a can of worms, and it may not be the case in the OP, but I do wonder sometimes why it's suddenly become so important to make large parts of the countryside accessable to all.

I can undertand accessability in places like country parks, but is it really necessary to make isolated places accessable to all by building these tracks, which invariably revert to their natural state after a couple of years of little maintenance anyway?

Are we trying to be too inclusive with countryside access? Should local authorities save the money and simply accept that a degree of physical ability is required to access some parts of the countryside? Or is there some legislation related to access that forces them to do this?

Posted 1 year ago #
MrSparkle - Member

Must have been a fortune spent on Darwen Moor paths and tracks to make them accessible for people in 'trampers'. I have yet to see a single one on the moor.

Posted 1 year ago #
singlespeedstu - Member

Can you not get the local 4x4 crowd to drive up and down it a few times?

Posted 1 year ago #
Waderider - Member

Wheel Chair user, hunting selfish MTBers yesterday:

Posted 1 year ago #
retro83 - Member

That stuff is bloody annoying to ride on as well. Energy sapping and tedious.

Posted 1 year ago #
amt27 - Member

wheelchairs and mobility scooters are very different things,

Posted 1 year ago #
wheelz - Member

Wheel Chair user, hunting selfish MTBers yesterday:

But that wheelchair user has made concessions for the terrain, which means he probably doesn't need a sanitised pathway to access the countryside.

Maybe, instead of building gravel paths into the hills, local authorities should instead use the money to operate a tracked wheelchair/mobility scooter rental scheme

Posted 1 year ago #
mintimperial - Member

Do you think the countryside is reserved for your personal use?

Of course not. But I do think that this particular path improvement is a pointless waste of money. If it is the council who've done it, that's public money, and it could be much better spent. There are many, many far better candidates for path improvement in the area, in places that get far more traffic from users who would benefit from smooth surfaces. The local ramblers have been complaining about the state of our paths for years, but they're annoyed about impassable swamps and other blockages like that. There was nothing like that on this track.

If it's not the council's doing, but the landowner, then fine, it's their cash. Either way, though, it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be a bit miffed that they've spoiled one of my favourite local trails.

Can you not get the local 4x4 crowd to drive up and down it a few times?

I suspect that the local MX boys will be up and down it in due course, they should help to make it more interesting.

AndrewBF, is that the bit near Blackmoorfoot Res? They completely ruined that a few years back when it was upgraded to bridleway.

Posted 1 year ago #
tonyg2003 - Member

Don't worry the councils won't have any budget for this stuff this year

Posted 1 year ago #
AndrewBF - Member

@mintimperial

Yes, it is the path up to Blackmoorfoot Res I wasn't expecting anyone to be able to recognise a picture of such an anonymous path.

Then I looked at your original photo in detail and there it is! Across the way on the hillside.

Blimey - Kirklees council must be on a roll to burn all the budget before anyone comes and takes the cash away from them. I can't believe they've flattened and filled the road in your photo. It must have cost a small fortune and it certainly won't be for 'off road' wheelchair access as it is way too steep at the far end.

I don't think that road is private, but if it is I expect it is so that the farmers can get access to the fields. That 'roadway' was becoming quite worn and rutted, way too extreme even for a real 4x4 at the bottom end. And that is what made it one of the great rides around these parts. I used it regularly to test brake and suspension upgrades. Now I'm going to have to find somewhere else.

Do you live in Meltham?

Here's a picture of the path before the work was done. Looking up hill from the other direction. Cows as a rolling roadblock are simply a hazard of riding these parts

Posted 1 year ago #
Edric 64 - Member

That 'roadway' was becoming quite worn and rutted, way too extreme even for a real 4x4.

Maybe the bloke who owns it wants to make his life easier and not **** his Landy suspension?

Posted 1 year ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

That 'roadway' was becoming quite worn and rutted, way too extreme even for a real 4x4 at the bottom end. And that is what made it one of the great rides around these parts.

So it was eroding and worn out and in need of repair?

One persons rocky technical trail is anthers eroded mess.

Posted 1 year ago #