Yup and that one day will make a massive difference.Shit, I bit
Which a lot of them don't realise. The 10 teachers at school in NUT who are on strike next week didn't know this. They were yabbering on about the strike when we pointed this out to them.
A couple of UNISON members went on strike a few years back, and they now have on their annual pension statement a note about it not being complete because of those days.
You can babble on all you want about democracies it's still down to individuals.
In the context of talking about unions and participation in strike action, is this not to completely miss the point - it's called Collective bargaining for this very point. There may of course be times when a person within a union feels that their own ethical priorities are in tension with the decisions of the collective democratic process, but if you sign up to a union, you're implicitly repudiating a libertarian view of individual rights..
We were messing around with a pension calculator yesterday and a 29 yr old women who had worked 8 yrs would end up paying £70 pounds per month extra, have to work to 68 and receive £180K less in pension over a 20 year period after retirement.
How many people would be happy to accept that without a fight?
+1 ianv
Pensions are deferred pay, thus any increase in employee contributions, any reduction of employer contributions, any decrease in benefits at retirement = a pay cut.
I'll be £77 a month worst off under the new plans whle my employer pays less, and I get less when I retire.
civil servant 325 years in £60 per month worse off has to work longer and gets a 40% per annum pension reduction - would you accept this. Mos I know would prefer a wage reduction tbh. If it was increase fees for sam epension they would probably take that as well
lets not forget the the current crop of retirees having paid too little to get their current pension deal so why are we not going after them rather than us?
Whats totally pissing me off is that a school can't employ a replacement. If you want to stike go for it but its aginst all "laws" of morality that you can't be substituted.
Oh yeah and my ATl membership is going back. Like many I joined as they generally didn't strike. Why join? For legal back up when some little shit says you belted him when he didn't like being told to stop talking. Its digusting that people can do this. I applaud those still at work.
its disgusting that people are able to decide to withold their labour? sorry I will never understand this viewpoint.
Oh yeah and my ATl membership is going back. Like many I joined as they generally didn't strike.
I'm sure you are absolutely right - many joined the ATL precisely because it had never had a national strike ballot in its entire history.
Which begs the question, why did 83% of ATL members vote to back strike action ? Clearly to get that sort of result from a union whose members are historically opposed to strike action, suggests that something fundamental has happened within the teaching profession.
I hope you teach with slightly less hyperbole but just as much zeal.
now roll over and let Dave tickle your belly whilst he shafts you.
I have some terrible news for you as well striking is a human right since about 1948 and 1966 by the UN] and The UK keeps getting told off for how much we have restricted this right.
What worse is that Striking on behalf of other unions /worker [secondary action /flying pickets]is also recognised.
you should rejoice you live in such a restricted country and consider why your view is out of kilter with the International community.
Schools in Wales are now going on strike because teachers are getting made redundant at the schools, and one in Liverpool is on strike because the teachers who just work there,dontwant it to become an accademy the children the parents and all the governors want it to become an academy away from la control.
dubious training days
Should teachers not be trained then? Those are directed days/hours, which every school must take.
We were messing around with a pension calculator yesterday and a 29 yr old women who had worked 8 yrs would end up paying £70 pounds per month extra, have to work to 68 and receive £180K less in pension over a 20 year period after retirement.
Average life expectancy of a male teacher working beyond 65 is 18 months, so if they raise the age too, it'll be my wife who sees the reduced pension.
Does anybody seriously think tecahing is an easy job? There are lazy sorts in all walks of life, so we'll all know some work-shy teachers. We constantly struggle to attract applicants for teaching posts and I'm in an average comp, within view/walking distance of the Lake District NP.
Everyone else in the public sector should be encouraging the teachers to fight these changes. What hope do those in the private sector have after this (except those at the top/willing to put work before all else)?
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Average life expectancy of a male teacher working beyond 65 is 18 months, so if they raise the age too, it'll be my wife who sees the reduced pension.
It was a lot younger for Miners, quarrymen and steelworkers.
We constantly struggle to attract applicants for teaching posts and I'm in an average comp, within view/walking distance of the Lake District NP
Just perhaps, not every one wants to live next to a huge caravan testing and parking area, and with the M6 running past it.
one in Liverpool is on strike because the teachers who just work there,dontwant it to become an accademy
What a good idea, lets hope it continues.
the children the parents and all the governors want it to become an academy
Well obviously the governors want it to become an academy, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue, but are you sure the parents and pupils do ?
Parents should vote on school academy plans, says Sefton Council leader
Quote :
"A COUNCIL leader has demanded schools considering becoming academies put their plans to full postal ballots – believing they are treating parents with “contempt”.
.....demands by parents for governors meetings to discuss the academy plans to be thrown open to the public have so far be in vain. Calls for parent ballots and public meetings on the plans also appear to have been snubbed."
Liverpool council backs campaign against Shorefields college becoming an academy
Quote :
"Pupils, parents and teachers demonstrated, chanting “whose school? Our school!” as councillors arrived for the meeting."
lets not forget the the current crop of retirees having paid too little to get their current pension deal so why are we not going after them rather than us?
I'd like to think you're being ironic, but it's too inane not to challenge. The "current crop of retirees" paid what they were contracted to pay and are getting what they were contracted to get. What is it you want to "go after them" for?
Junkyard - Memberacadamies can set their own wages unlike LA ones
project - MemberWhat a good idea, lets hope it continues.
It's unlike you project to be happy about public sector workers receiving higher wages than they are currently receiving.....what's all that about then ?
ernie_lynch - MemberJunkyard - Member
It's unlike you project to be happy about public sector workers receiving higher wages than they are currently receiving.....what's all that about then
Sometimes you need to cause a stir, our local academy the head now gets 160k.But then he is not classed as a public sector worker but a manager of the limited company that runs the school,funded by the various organisations and companies that have brought into the system
MPs can retire after 20 years’ service with an index-linked pension of half their £65,000 salary. They contribute just 10% of their pay, the Treasury hands over 25%. Do as I say, not as I do.
the issue with affordability is that they are living for far longer than was expected. They have not contributed enough to cover their pensions. that's what i would go after . Perhaps we can just carry on and expect the next generation to pick up our tab seeing that seems fair.
Excellent project, I can only assume that without this wage boost the school would not have improved under their stewardship.
funded by the various organisations and companies that have brought into the system
Academies are funded by the government through Department for Education, who then passes it on to the Young People's Learning Agency (YPLA) who then passes it on to the academies. A nice bit of work for a quango which we are told this government despises so much then.
It was a lot younger for Miners, quarrymen and steelworkers.
Just perhaps, not every one wants to live next to a huge caravan testing and parking area, and with the M6 running past it.
Academies are semi-independent local state schools that provide a free education for all abilities. They are established by sponsors from business, faith or voluntary groups working with partners from the local community. Academies can be brand new schools in areas which need the extra school places, and are a viable option to many local authorities dealing with a school in special measures, or subject to an improvement notice. Historically academies were introduced to replace existing weak or underperforming schools.
They have not contributed enough to cover their pensions. that's what i would go after
That's awfully vague. Exactly what do you mean by "that's what i would go after"? Specifically, who are "they", what are you going after, and how do you plan to do it?
Public pensions are funded by the workers themselves. here is how it works: every time a worker gets paid they get taken some money off, these go into what is called a pension fund, which the worker at the end of his working age claims back. so no other tax payer is involved at all.
The disgusting thing is when the government utilizes steals from the pension fund to pay for other things, then the taxes are used to put back what has been taken from the pension fund, and may I add rightly so!
what do you want a white paper 
who are "they",Those retiring or retired , due to increased life span, who will draw out far more than they have paid in or were expected to claim. When the scheme was instigated they were not expected to live as long. They are getting back more than they paid for. People working now [ if you believe the shortfall arguments] are increasing their contributions so the commitment to those people can be met whilst getting a worse deal themselves. That does not seem fair to me in much the same way If we just shrugged paid the same and let the next lot sort it out whilst saying yes but we paid.
project - MemberAcademies are semi-independent local state schools that provide a free education for all abilities. They are established by sponsors from business, faith or voluntary groups working with partners from the local community. Academies can be brand new schools in areas which need the extra school places, and are a viable option to many local authorities dealing with a school in special measures, or subject to an improvement notice. Historically academies were introduced to replace existing weak or underperforming schools.
Thank you project for that copied and pasted comment which you took from School Academies - beginners guide to setting up It was most informative.
Do you now fancy providing some sort of proof that all the children and all the parents in the school in Liverpool which you referred to, want academy status ?
Or did you just make that bit up and you don't actually have any evidence to back up your claim ?
when i said state ones i dont mean the state pension I mean public sector pensions. C'mon elfin want that assist
mattsccm - MemberLike many I joined as they generally didn't strike.
Makes the overwhelming "yes" vote a bit hard to understand really. I suspect your "many" is "a tiny minority"
That does not seem fair to me
Gove on the Andrew Marr show:
Of course the ability to strike is a basic human right. I just think its wrong
you dont see hospital consulatants going on strike so teachers shouldnt
still cannot decide if he's a total genius or completely stupid.
ernie_lynch - MemberDo you now fancy providing some sort of proof that all the children and all the parents in the school in Liverpool which you referred to, want academy status ?
Or did you just make that bit up and you don't actually have any evidence to back up your claim ?
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according to other news sources they the children and parents all agreed, now its become political, with the kids as the fulcrum.
You have commendable powers if you sat through it even for a tory overlord he is smug. i think he in can even out smug Blair.
I always think where are these news sources when someone tells me what news sources say.
you dont see hospital consulatants going on strike so teachers shouldnt"still cannot decide if he's a total genius or completely stupid"
I don't think he's either, I think he's merely relying on the fact that many people have been honed by the press and media into believing that a one day strike by teachers will be an unmitigated disaster which will cause untold chaos and misery.......almost a life or death situation. And going by the some of the ranting on here, some indeed seem to think that it's a life or death situation - the Tory press has done its job well.
Of course if Gove thinks one day off school for kids is that important, then perhaps he could do something about the Tory introduced Baker Days, which I guess you could say amount to 5 one day strikes every year. Even though some headteachers appear to use them very wisely :
Day trip to France is least we deserve
"The teachers, from Gravesend Grammar School, Kent, used one of their five Baker Days for a trip to Boulogne."
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