Ah, classic THM impartial commentary.

I have never made any pretence in impartiality where the DO is concerned. He is potentially leading Scotland and rUK down a negative path based on deceit and lies. When he steps into the big boys playground and is immediately exposed for what he is, then he hides behind the classic paper shields of crying bully – exactly the behaviour he portrays in his little pool. (Not) funny that.

I don’t think the debate is streamed in the rUK – so spared the detail. But the result will be interesting. By claiming that Darling has the heebie jeebies already, the DO has set the benchmark against which he must be judged. Anything other than an obliteration must be seen as a failure on his part.

Cue prep from Nigel Farrage….

Edit, jambalaya it doesn’t take much to pin the DO in the corner, but beware the cornered animal – he will have some stunt to pull.

What do you think is the core issue thm?

He could start by outlining a case for independence. So far he has avoided this completely. Why is the leader of this whole movement scared to commit to independence and all it involves? The answer is obvious…..

This seems like rehashed old news to me, there is no detail in the statement from the three scottish leaders, and the final decision will be made by the uk leadership of whichever party wins next year. Each party is putting forward it’s own proposal so we do not know what we would be getting. Finally the per centage of spending that would be put under Holyrood control remains very small under all of the proposals,so really it is nothing more than window dressing.

Well given how much use has been made of the tartan tax, Gordi, what do you expect? 😉

On the contrary Thm the core issue is clearly expressed in the referendum question.
“Should Scotland should be an independent country?”

Indeed that is the question – we await the answer?

Nothing so far. Both sides have explained why they think that is a bad idea. Two separate arguments, with the same conclusion. If you can’t answer you own question then it be ones little more than a vanity project, and an expensive one at that.

Thm if jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport you would get a gold medal

Well feel free to point me in the direction of a genuine case being made for independence and I will run all the way back through the long jump pit! In the meantime, we continue to await Godot, with I fear, the same result.

THM, it’s tricky when your definition of independence seems to be different to everyone else’s. Excuse me for paraphrasing here, but you seem to believe that if a country has treaties and unions and obligations with other countries, it’s not independent.

We’ve had this several times – I’ve previously given you genuine reasons for wanting independence (for example getting rid of the nukes).

Thm if jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport you would get a gold medal

No he is that good at it he would be suspended pending further investigation for suspected doping.

He’s not even offering that Ben – only to stop paying for them. They will still be there under don’t ask, don’t tell –

See no evil, hear no evil, talk no evil…

And he opens up normally with the claim that Scotland will be free to make its own economic decisions while at the same time delegating responsibility for major economic decisions to a foreign country. You couldn’t make it up – well actually make it up is about right.

Still will be interesting to see if he holds a sober,, statesman-like persona for the full 2 hours!!

commonwealth closing ceremony??

🙂
JY I didn’t watch that either, not even for Kylie.

only to stop paying for them

I don’t know about the rest of the country, but I for one would be pretty happy with that.

I would agree on that too!!

For a wee giggle

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/285053-indyref-daily-stephen-daisley-on-independence-referendum-campaign/

The trouble with the West Wing is it makes all real politicians look like morons 😉

Many real politicians are morons

WRT the trident/faslane thing, again:

bencooper – Member
The problem is that there really isn’t anywhere else Trident can sensibly go in the UK….
The only disposable population in the UK is in Scotland it appears….

I think devonport would be quite happy to take them. They did used to service nuke subs there in the past, and frankly plymouth is on it’s ar5e financially, so a few thousand jobs thrown at them for the ( let’s be honest ) very minimal risk of disaster, is a win for everyone.

trident/faslane – the submarines are there as geograhically it gives easy access out into the North Atlantic and in particular North Eastwards. The water gets deep quickly and allows the subs to go evade detection, as much as is possible these days anyway. The location has nothing to do with the fact that it’s Scottish vs English or Welsh “at risk”. That’s all a Red Herring. I don’t really think AS gives a hoot about the nuclear aspect, its just political expediency to say he doesn’t want them. He’s hardly “green” as he is 100% behind the oil industry, understandably so.

Many real politicians are morons.

“And we keep picking them again and again”
Pete Seeger

Well, independence gets off to a good start as the STV viewer goes into meltdown…

Yeh, still down.

I don’t have STV on’t telly either.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Salmond is wiping the floor with Darling.

The brief few seconds I saw just looked like rhetoric from both.

Players gone again anyway. I blame MI6.

STV viewer still not working for me, anyone else?

up and down here

So far the best line of the night is a Michael McIntyre joke!

We’ll, Big Eck asked about Space Invaders and driving on the other side of the road.

You ain’t missing much.

If I here “best of both worlds” one more ******* time I’m heading down there to offer some extreme verbal abuse

Range of options… What’s best for Scotland…

Do you think Scotland can….

It’s like rhetoric bingo…what little STV has let me see.

IMO Salmond is doing more damage to the yes vote than Darlings responses.

Dunno, I reckon Darling is gonna crack

Ouch, the audience is turning on Salmond now, the yes voters are heckling the audience questions now, oh dear.

It is a bit of a mess. Reckon Salmond is doing a bit better. Like the socialist yes voter in the audience that wonders why Scotland should continue to subsidise the rUK. RUK obviously not her people. Tell that to the next Stevenage diabetic.

Salmond looked very uncomfortable when the old business chap with glasses told him off, he looked like a petulant child.

If I here “best of both worlds” one more ******* time I’m heading down there to offer some extreme verbal abuse

That’s it, he said it again. I coming for you Darling.

Poor debate tbh. As a yes supporter I’m calling that a draw.

Yeah, a no score draw I think – neither of them did spectacularly well.

Many real politicians are morons

And going by that audience so are many members of the public 😉

Seosamh. I almost agree with you. Thought Salmond edged it but the quality of the debate was poor. It there one on the BBC?

Yes, BBC one in a couple of weeks I think.