Coffeeking, that wasn't in Dundee was it?
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My old school teacher has just been done....
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Coffeeking, that wasn't in Dundee was it?
Nope, south of the border.
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Posters with dodgy teachers: state school or public school?
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has pleaded guilty to 14 counts.
typo?
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Posters with dodgy teachers: state school or public school?
State.
typo?
? Why?
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Sounds as if there was atleast one in every school. There was one obvious offender in my old school .. and my children tell me there is/was also another in the same school now.
Apparently - the teaching profession is a clear favourite career path for a large number of kiddie fiddlers of both sexes.
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Posters with dodgy teachers: state school or public school?
I went to both, but only encountered dodgy teachers in the public schools. That's not to say they weren't there of course.
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Hopefully the safeguards that are in place now are stronger than they were back then...
Do the "It's PC gone mad!" crew have a comment?
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A grown man watching boys run through a shower 'to make sure they get clean' just isnt on.
Similarly the female p&e teacher was known to be a huge lesbian who also did this.
Back then though, when we were younger the penny didn't drop did it?
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But he eventually got found out, no? IIRC.
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Apparently - the teaching profession is a clear favourite career path for a large number of kiddie fiddlers of both sexes.
I have an enhanced disclosure, do you?Err...no.Maybe we should all stop doing Duke of Edinburgh,running after school clubs,etc just because YOU seem to think we are a hotbed of child molesters, who obviously only do these things to provide us with opps to groom.
I find it hard to believe you are hearing allegations about a teacher from your kids and are not acting on them?
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the teaching profession is a clear favourite career path for a large number of kiddie fiddlers of both sexes.
not sure about "clear favourite".... there's the scouts too.
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has to be included at this point to stop be being beaten up by the STW'ers involved with the scouts who have no intention of damaging our kids.the cleverer "kiddie fiddlers" would gravitate towards jobs involving vulnerable children with little government monitoring (religious groups is a pretty common one for the paedophiles i've worked with)
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WTF does
quadraspased on a lifeglug
mean, whoever tagged it?Posted 1 year ago # -
A grown man watching boys run through a shower 'to make sure they get clean' just isnt on.
Similarly the female p&e teacher was known to be a huge lesbian who also did this.
Back then though, when we were younger the penny didn't drop did it?
Not entirely sure that's the same thing. Our PE teacher at high school watched everyone run into the shower and run out to check that everyone got a shower. Whether he got off on it or not, I don't care, he was still a good PE teacher and never touched anyone (other than one kid who wound him up for hours with abuse, then got taken into a side room, shouted at so loudly you could hear from 2 corridors away and left crying). He just counted people in and ensured everyone had gone past him, he didn't stand watching the showers. I do find it slightly disturbing that it's perfectly acceptable for boys to have communal showers where girls can have cubicles.
I'd also skirt controversy by suggesting that in college/university realms a student/teacher relationship isn't by definition "wrong" unless that teacher could influence the students outcome. Said student could meet the teacher elsewhere and have a fully legal relationship. High school and primary school clearly different matters of course.
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Err...no.Maybe we should all stop doing Duke of Edinburgh,running after school clubs,etc just because YOU seem to think we are a hotbed of child molesters, who obviously only do these things to provide us with opps to groom.
I'm not sure Moorman was saying that all teachers and people who work with children are potential child molesters. I can see why it would be attractive to these kind of people though.
I suppose that's the problem with these kind of discussions, because they are so sensitive and emotional a lot can be read into a comment when it wasn't necessarily meant that way.
Unfortunately there is a lot of suspicion around teachers and people who work with children. As a male working indirectly with childrens, and vulnerable adults services, (in LA) I've been quite surprised at the amount of prejudice/suspicion levelled at teachers, nursery workers and childminders, particularly male ones (not by my colleagues I hasten to add! Well, not most of them anyway). If this is the kind of society attitude that we're dealing with it's not really any wonder that Duckman jumps to the defense so quickly...
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I do find it slightly disturbing that it's perfectly acceptable for boys to have communal showers where girls can have cubicles
Just out of interest - why? I went to an all-boys school where we also did the cold shower sprint, after a dip in the best hot baths I have every shared with another man. i guess that's why I'm very relaxed about using communal changing rooms, seeing other men naked etc. I never understand why so many people get so twitchy about being naked around other blokes. Most of the girls I've done sports with have been right manky gits - would spend a couple of hours working out, then wait until they get home to shower. My wife is the same, even though she's confirmed (sadly) that the ladies changing rooms at our local gym is not a hotbed of sweaty sapphic naughtiness.
I suppose it's always possible that some of the other men in the changing room are getting a semi at the sight of me wet from the shower, but as long as they don't touch, where's the harm in that?
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Girls tend to be more body conscious?
At my gym changing room last week I became aware of someone else clocking me.
Doesnt bother me. An admiring glance doesn't turn you 'gay'.
Saying that the dioty bugger was probably chucking me about in a few positions in his mind
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I am a teacher,which is why I am defensive about the job. I would suggest that it is rare for anybody to slip through the net nowadays,certainly into full time education. A lot of cases you now see involve incidents fron the 70's 80's and 90's.
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I'd love to be a Judo teacher in a sixth form for girls
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Just out of interest - why?
Because it assumes privacy is more important for females than males, which I find a bit odd. I didn't mind getting changed in the communal rooms, but I'd have preferred a cubicle since the fairer sex had one it's clearly not impossible to implement. Basically it's just saying "it costs more so only the girls get it".
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I never understand why so many people get so twitchy about being naked around other blokes
Hora's extremely relaxed about it. His unofficial attempt at the World record for daisy-chaining, carried out in the bushes near Sale Water Park, bares testimony to this.
Dedication. Ooooooooooooooooo dedication
That's what you neeeeeeeeeeed
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My form tutor from school:
http://www.surrey.police.uk/media/news_item.asp?area=7&itemID=4873Nice bloke. Bit odd, but wouldn't have pegged him for this at the time. He was a physics teacher, so not much chance for inappropriate shower voyeurism.
Dave
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Thankfully I never bother to breath in when I'm walking around in there. If I did I would worry myself
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quadra-spazzed on a lifeglug = Brasseye
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Best to bear in mind that CRB checks etc only flag up the ones who have already been caught.
No system is foolproof, but repetitious time consuming bureaucracy for no reason is stupid. One passport style check, renewable every 2 years is all that's really usefully required (and two years may be too often?)
Mrsswadey works in child protection, has two CRBs for work (two jobs), one for each of the two pre-school she is on the committee for, one to help out in school and one as a Guide leader. Four of these CRBs are for the same county council FFS!
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crb is renewable every 3 years we have had people commit offences during this time at work who did not declare it. CRB also included charges iirc so it will also flag up suspicious behaviour as well.
Obviously any system , CRB whatever, will only catch those we know about so it can hardly be used aginst it as a criticism.
Perhaps better if the approved organisations could just check with CRB using appropriate proof of ID and you only do the check with CRB rather than with the organisation.Posted 1 year ago # -
CRB also included charges iirc will also flag up suspicious behaviour
That sounds like a typical bloody new-labourism. They really couldn't give a monkeys about peoples rights, or any kind of legal tradition at all, do they?
Who is it who will be deciding what constitutes 'suspicious behavior' then? The Poilce? God? And what evidence will be required to have that bunged on your record? Sounds very very dubious indeed
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I find it hard to believe you are hearing allegations about a teacher from your kids and are not acting on them?
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Presumably you've since notified the relevant authorities?
I see things from Duckman's perspective. I get bored with the usual hysterical response from parents/guardians about a subject like this. I acknowledge that there are paedophiles in schools all over the world, abusing the position of trust given to them by committing heinous acts. I agree that safeguarding is essential to deal effectively with such individuals.
But from a PE teacher and SENCO, I can tell you that, during my career, the number of confirmed child abuse situations I've seen involving staff is one. And the number of confirmed child abuse situations that have arisen from internet grooming by strangers on forums are numerous.
So how many of you police the sites your children visit? And monitor their friend-lists? There are mechanisms in place to deal with abuses of power in schools; they're not fool-proof, but rest assured that there are plenty of good staff out there watching out for your kids.
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calm down my libertarian friend I explained it badly. Previous charges for sex crimes where you were not convicted that sort of thing. I dont mean you have a dodgy haircut and look like you might.
In all honesty if it protects just one kid form one kiddy fiddler once I will happily put up with the inconvenience of proving who I am, filling in a form and letting someone check to see if i have ever committed a criminal offence. It seems a small price to pay to protect children from abuse.Posted 1 year ago # -
calm down my libertarian friend I explained it badly. Previous charges for sex crimes where you were not convicted that sort of thing. I dont mean you have a dodgy haircut and look like you might.
In all honesty if it protects just one kid form one kiddy fiddler once I will happily put up with the inconvenience of proving who I am, filling in a form and letting someone check to see if i have ever committed a criminal offence. It seems a small price to pay to protect children from abuse.
That of course means that one false charge and you're out of teaching for ever - you do realise that, don't you? One false charge and you've ruined someone's life, and not saved a single kid. That's why including "suspicious behaviour" is not on, and shouldn't be available to people outside the police. They, and only they, should be responsible for initiating an investigation if and when suspicious behaviour is flagged.
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libertarian ???
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Quick straw poll - anyone here *not* have a teacher rumoured to be a kiddie-fiddler or an uphill gardener?
When I was a lad, our resident kiddie-fiddler was the RE teacher (there's a theme here) and our token homosexual was the female PE teacher. Also, my mate Chris held hands with a girl, so he was gay too and had girl-bugs.
Fast-forward twenty years, an ex-pupil comes forward and fingers the RE teacher for inappropriate behaviour. Loads of staff and other pupils go on record as saying that he was nothing other than a model teacher, and it comes out in the wash that the lad had made it all up to try and get compensation (presumably because "everyone knew" despite there never being any victims whatsoever).
Conclusion: whilst it's undoubtable that there are abusive teachers, playground gossip is not the best source of information.
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So how many of you police the sites your children visit? And monitor their friend-lists?
My sisters ex used to have to monitor & help ex offenders in the community, once found one of his clients had 300 teenage girls as friends on a facebook account!
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