Whats your views

there are some, but also some risks

most people know very little about state benefits in this country yet have loud opinions

It’s for cheats and foreigners.

Fundamentally unBritish.

I like the ones I get and wholeheartedly disapprove of those I don’t get.

Thread closed 🙄

I guess they vary from job to job.

Apparently, 3″ more makes for faster rolling.

concerns me less than tax evasion/avoidance

Ooh – get him changing the thread title. Luckily, we can still see the original in the URL.

title edit. 😆

Let’s talk State Benefits

In fairness, let’s not.

Perhaps the OP would like to lead the discussion?

Yeah OP, what do you think?

As someone who worked full time for 27 years then spent 6 months unemployed following redundancy, I would say that there is a lot of bollocks talked about state benefits from those who have no direct experience and get their information direct from the Daily Heil. It is not what some would like to believe.

They are a damned good thing. For those that need/deserve them. We should protect that at all costs.

so flashheart, who gets to decide who are people that need/deserve benefits?

is that need or deserve, or need and deserve?

They are a damned good thing. For those that need/deserve them. We should protect that at all costs

Agreed , but then there’s the people like who i saw at today whilst out getting my dinner, 2 lads walked in to the shop, put 4 3 litre bottles of strongbow on the counter saying he was having a good afternoon, he also said he had already had a 3 litre bottle before coming out, this was at 1 o clock 😯 . Why should taxes be paid to people like that when they have no intention of getting a job. If they are going to piss it up the wall then at least buy something decent!

ok, I’ll bite – how about getting rid of all non-means tested benefits?

Agreed , but then there’s the people like who i saw at today whilst out getting my dinner, 2 lads walked in to the shop, put 4 3 litre bottles of strongbow on the counter saying he was having a good afternoon, he also said he had already had a 3 litre bottle before coming out, this was at 1 o clock 8O. Why should taxes be paid to people like that when they have no intention of getting a job. If they are going to piss it up the wall then at least buy something decent!

Sounds like students.

Beleive me, they weren’t students.

Agreed , but then there’s the people like who i saw at today whilst out getting my dinner, 2 lads walked in to the shop, put 4 3 litre bottles of strongbow on the counter saying he was having a good afternoon, he also said he had already had a 3 litre bottle before coming out, this was at 1 o clock . Why should taxes be paid to people like that when they have no intention of getting a job. If they are going to piss it up the wall then at least buy something decent!

Where do you live? Much work round is there?

why not get rid of all non means tested benefits?

as the majority are either paid to disabled people or as state pensions

@wors

How do you know where they got their money from?

Where do you live? Much work round is there?

Live in Bolton, work in Bury. Yes, lots of work.

How do you know where they got their money from?

Look they were scroats, chavs, scum.

As I got a redundancy package I probably didn’t need[/i] JSA. However as a redundancy package is classed as compenstation for losing your job it was a benefit I was deemed deserving of.

JSA is jackshit in terms of supporting a family so I lived off the redundancy. By the time I was back in work there was very little left.

I can see this thread turning into a benefits bash-fest. I’d just say that they aren’t all they are cracked up to be.

Look they were scroats, chavs, scum.

ah good, well balanced reasoning.

ok, I’ll bite – how about getting rid of all non-means tested benefits?

I’d say that the manpower required to make means testing efficient would outweigh the cost of the current system, although there is a certain amount of means testing in place now.

Look they were scroats, chavs, scum.

Nice.

As I got a redundancy package I probably didn’t need JSA. However as a redundancy package is classed as compenstation for losing your job it was a benefit I was deemed deserving of.

JSA is jackshit in terms of supporting a family so I lived off the redundancy. By the time I was back in work there was very little left.

I can see this thread turning into a benefits bash-fest. I’d just say that they aren’t all they are cracked up to be.

When I got made redundant my redundancy package was 2 weeks wages, I was out of work for 5 months, it left me financially crippled.

You have my very sincere, genuine sympathies. Your example also lays to ghost the myths about easy living on benefits.

BBC 2 now may raise some different opinions on both sides of the bench.

BBC2 now

Look forward to seeing people with attitudes that apparently don’t exist 😆

winstonsmith – Member
why not get rid of all non means tested benefits?

Indeed. I’ve never understood why child benefit is paid regardless of need. We don’t claim child Tax Credits either – although we qualify.

Is the cost of means testing really more than the cost of paying those not in need?

I’ve never understood why child benefit is paid regardless of need

Prizes for all……

I’ve never understood why child benefit is paid regardless of need

Stopping in England if there’s a 40% tax rate payer in da hoose.

I haven’t had any state benefits since 1986 so I couldn’t even tell you what there is.

Obviously I make use of the NHS when I have to, but otherwise it seems to be all one-way traffic

so flashheart, are you any further on in working out who need/deserve benefits?

druidh – really? you’re entitled to tax credits? i thought you’d have too high a household income for much child tax credit. you seem far too well off 😮

Indeed. I’ve never understood why child benefit is paid regardless of need.

widening the electorate to whom benefits are paid gets “buy in” from those that might otherwise not have much support for them.

winstonsmith – Member
druidh – really? you’re entitled to tax credits? i thought you’d have too high a household income for much child tax credit. you seem far too well off

I think we’re due £40-odd per month??? Remember, we might have no mortgage, but we’re not high income.

PS – no bottles of champers hidden away either!