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AndrewBF - Member

OK, just over a month to go and the Kielder 100 will soon be a reality.

I thought it would be useful and informative for those doing this for the first (or second) time to get as much prep as possible to ensure that the event is a success for everyone. I've looked to put everything in one place here so that before the event I can print off this thread and use it as a checklist.

THINGS TO TAKE

(from the official site pages: http://www.sip-events.co.uk/kielder-riderinfo.html)

You must carry the following items:
Enough fluid for 15 miles of riding (at least one large bottle); - I'll be using my CamelBak with 1000ml of fluid (SIS to start), with the aim of topping up the CamelBak at each filling station with energy drinks. Is this doable?
pump; - check
spare inner tubes (even if you run tubeless); - check
basic toolkit; - I've got some pliers and a set of allen keys, and puncture kit. What else? I'm not expecting to rely on the mechanical assistance points.
spare brake pads (maybe 2 sets, trust us!); - check
space blanket; - check (from the RAC)
spare food; - how much? Is this *spare* i.e. to keep to the end of race, or is it fuel for the trip? Bananas (too heavy?) or energy bars? Probably the latter for me.
emergency whistle; - need to get one.
windproof jacket/gillet; - Hmm, I have a lightweight hi-viz - not breathable, or an Endura all weather. Any suggestions on something lightweight? Might just compress the lightweight hi-viz.
Race Passport (supplied by Event Organisers); - yet to get.
money to Pay the Piper (optional - but it does go to charity.) - must remember

PLUS
Skin-so-soft midge repellant. See the other thread on midges here: http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/kielder-midges-1
Vaseline
Chain links and chain tool (tbc - would others carry this?)
Mobile phone? - is there any usable signal in case of emergency anyway?
Cash.
Some kind of mossie net to cover head and neck. Does anyone know of such a thing that could be worn over a helmet?
I've got some Kenda Small Block 8's (after reading this report: http://www.oneblackdot.com/ride/index.php/2009/09/07/montane-kielder-100-race-report/
… but will take some Panarace XC Pro if the weather isn't so great
Sleeping bag
Tent
Strip everything off the bike that isn't necessary.
Lock - so that I can secure the bike overnight on Friday.
Bin bags etc. to keep the car clean when taking a muddy bike home

REFUELING
Feed station summary and distances: (+15) 15W (+10) 25F (+~15) 36to42W (+~10) 50F (+15) 65H (+~15) 80F (+20) 100 miles (W=Water, F=Food, H=Hot Food).

Is there nothing for the last 20 miles or so? On the site the last feed station is labelled as 75/88 - Feed station 4. So it is anything from 10 miles from the 65m station, but with 25 to go, or 23m from the 65m station with 12 miles to go?

Rider bag drops - am I missing something here? If fuel is provided, what might go into a rider's sandwich box? Some SIS powders?

THE COURSE AND PACE
Time to checkpoints.
Assuming a 0640hrs start (0637hrs last year) the times to the checkpoints and required pace is:
CP 1 - 1400hrs - 55miles = 7h20m = 7.50mph
CP 2 - 1530hrs - 65miles = 8h50m = 7.36mph
CP 3 - 1700hrs - 78miles = 10h20m = 7.55mph <--- NOTE THAT THE PACE HAS TO INCREASE TO MAKE CP 3!!!!

Finish by, say, 2000hrs latest = 13h20m = 7.50mph

According to this route plot… http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-kingdom/kielder/334125906216417169

The course undulates quite frequently up to the 72 mile mark, then a nice downhill / level section before a climb around 86 miles for 3 or so miles. Fun
Total climb is around 6,000ft according to mapmyride, 60ft/mile

I've never been to Kielder so have no appreciation of the terrain and hills. Is the riding quite easy going, but with long continuous climbs or are the climbs less frequent and steep? For my own comparison the CVMBC west of Huddersfield in the Pennines is 2,500ft over 30miles = 83ft/mile.

Google Earth map route here http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=1254461&#Post1254461

If you haven't started your training yet: http://www.mtb-marathon.co.uk/training/training.php

LOGISTICS
Riders will not receive an entry confirmation other than the Paypal online entry receipt and can check their entry on the event Entry List on XCRacer.com.
Confirm your entry here: http://www.xcracer.com/raceentry/currententries.php?race_id=147
Be at Kielder BY 2100hrs Friday 3rd for race briefing.

Petrol stations? Anything quite local for fuelling up the car?

RACE REPORTS
From last year's event
http://www.ocasta.co.uk/?p=172
http://www.oneblackdot.com/ride/index.php/2009/09/07/montane-kielder-100-race-report/
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/kielder-100-lordy
http://www.singletrackworld.com/2009/09/kielder-100-a-racers-report/
http://www.bikemagic.com/event-features/montane-kielder-100-report/7265.html
http://www.skedaddletwaddle.com/montane-skedaddle-kielder-100-mountain-biking-enduro-hardly-a-holiday/
http://teacake-kate.blogspot.com/2009/09/keilder-100.html

Anything there that I might have missed, any hints and tips welcome.

Oh, and if you feel like sponsoring me, and giving me a reason to carry on when all hope is lost: http://www.justgiving.com/kielder100

Posted 1 year ago #
D0NK - Member

Nice round up - I was wondering about drop bags too, was thinking of putting some extra kit in there like spare disc pads and tubes incase I've used up the ones in my pack - obviously this is dependant on getting the drop bag back. anyone know about this?

7.5mph sounds easy dunnit -

Posted 1 year ago #
radoggair - Member

bag drops - mine will have a spare tube - some energy food, a nunn tablet in each one and thats it really

Posted 1 year ago #
TeaBoyPaul - Member

Top stuff, thanks!!

Route profile does look 'lumpy' until the final big climb but I'm guessing this is last years route anyway so may well change.

Not sure what to put in my drop bag either... maybe we should have a large STW communal drop bag at each station full of cakes, sweets and pies?!

Posted 1 year ago #
phildowling - Member

Crieky! that's a bit organised

Mine reads...

Bike? Check.
Pump tires up. Check.
Fit saddle bag. check
Stick stuff in pockets for the rules. Check
Stick food in checkpoint bags.Check

Ride a very long way when the man says go.

Posted 1 year ago #
clubber - Member

One of our guys finished 5th last year (he was the guy paying the piper in the article in the mag) - his summary:

Essential kit inspected before start: whistle, spare pads, tubes, space blanket, rain top, tools, food etc. Clouds of midges before the off. Hungry ones. "Neutralised" start behind a quad. Too slow and everyone is tripping over each other. Fire road. Uphill. The most effective way to spread out a pack before the singletrack. Dense pine forest shortly after dawn. Blair Witch Project. Wot no lights? Overgrown vehicle tracks. Downhill. Pinballing from one side of the ruts to the other. Too scared to brake hard. Not happy. Rocky fire road, 4-up timetrialling in the big ring and running out of gears on the descents. Skating over loose rocks sweeping from left to right through the bends. Better than telly. Leg aching climbs on sodden ground. I think I've seen that tree before. Newly completed "designer" singletrack: swoopy, grippy, wooded, bumps, jumps tabletops.... mmmm. Pity we won't see that again: one lap only. Fire road slog. Tyres too hard. Back stiffening up. Minutes of non-stop banked curvy boardwalk over windswept, heather covered moorland. Mist blowing across the border from England to Scotland. Distant wail of bagpipes and a lone piper against the skyline. Drop a few coins in his case, nod to the piper, back on the pedals. Steep sandy climbs where the granny ring wasn't small enough. Get off and push. Not faster but it's a change. Keep eating. River crossings where there should only be streams. No punctures. Please, no punctures. Eating more gels in one race than the rest of the year put together. Grinding gears, juddering brakes, sore back, soaked feet, caked legs. 60 miles to go. No Ibuprofen. Oh. Trees. More than you can shake a stick at. Uh? Doubletrack. Overgrown. Flooded. Riding at walking pace on the flat. Front wheel disappears below the water and everything else follows. At least it's a soft landing. Dodging bigger puddles to save the drivetrain and brakes form gritty water. New pads can't wear out in a day's riding. Can they? What's brown and sticky? A stick!. Laugh till it hurts. Too tired. No more than a mile of tarmac in 9 hours riding. Bracken, heather, wide open space. Don't miss a turning. Don't ever miss a turning. Chatting to fellow riders. "I live 20 miles form here. I never ride Kielder". Oh. Broken bottle cage from hours of hammering over rocky trails. Bottle down the jersey. Used gels tucked in the shorts; sticky ooze running down legs. Bloodshot eyes. Soaked kit. Blistered hands. Grazed, scratched, knees and elbows. Brake pads on the metal. Gears jumping. Back aching. Prunes for feet. 20 miles to go. Nearly there. Fellow rider getting tired. 100 miles on soaking trails and no rain. Thanks goodness! Final singletrack park and across the finish!!! A race that deserves the title "epic".

Posted 1 year ago #
phildowling - Member

.....add's pain killers to pocket list.....

Also on last years map, the 80 mile point is a bout 2 miles from my hotel That's going to hurt!

Posted 1 year ago #
Trekster - Member

from clubbers mates reveiw I might not bother if this rain persists

and what pain killers are best

when he says "keep eating" ....what is he eating, gels? how many?

Posted 1 year ago #
Tracker1972 - Member

Is everyone sorted for accommodation? Taking the campervan but the "watch this space" extra camping doesn't seem to have popped up. Are there lots of opportunities to hide a campervan away in the woods?

Posted 1 year ago #
martinh - Member

Umm, wasn't last years course around 11000ft of climbing. If it's only 6000 this year then thats a relief

Posted 1 year ago #
AndrewBF - Member

Added to my THINGS TO TAKE section
Nuun tablets
Paramol pain killers

The drop bag starts to make sense. A bag of gels and a spare tube (y)

@clubber's write up makes this sound like quite a challenge. Gulp.

Posted 1 year ago #
Pippalarge - Member

you don't need a midge hood - they weren't that bad last year - not when you're riding anyway. I was so knackered when i finished i didn't even notice them

Posted 1 year ago #
jonb - Member

I'm going to throw some stuff in a bag on Thursday night.

Bag drops I was going to put my own food and also a CO2 canister and tube in one incase of early mishap. The reason for my own food is that I can then pick what I want to eat and not rely on the sponsors products. I may also put some wetwipses and chamois creme somewhere in the 2nd third.

Must remember ibuprofen,

I'm carrying about 1 litre in a camel back and a small bottle of energy drink. I've lost bottles before up there as it's bumpy so make sure yours is secure or you have a contingency.

Small jacket will be a montane waterproof if it's going to be really wet or just a windproof it might be wet.

Midges aren't a problem if you are moving, they are unbearable if you stop.

Make sure you can change a tube quickly and while exhausted. I've rejected one set of tyres because struggled to get them on and off the rim.

Same with brakepads, make sure you aren't going to have any problems changing them. You will be changing them if it's wet. I've been through new pads in 4 hours up there in winter.

Carry some chain lube?

Large parts of the trails are rocky. Stones about the size of apples. Beats you up over time and your bike. So make sure things are secure and your tyres hard enough to not pinch on the downhills.
Not sure if I'm going for a top tube bag yet, makes storage and access of food easier.

After you have finished 100 miles you will be tired and hungry and likely cold and wet. Don't forget to do give some thought to just after the race.

Posted 1 year ago #
clubber - Member

My mate drove straight to Bristol afterwards and ran the Bristol half marathon the next day. Did a respectable time too (1:22). Nutter

Posted 1 year ago #
paul4stones - Member

I wrote something here and I went out about 10 days before last year (in the pouring rain) and took some photos here.

It's still pretty dry up here at the moment. I was out last week on the now finished new blue trail and it was pretty good. I think last year we rode some of it but mostly 'backwards' if you know what I mean.

Still plenty of time for rain but apparently midges haven't liked the cold winter and dry summer. Doesn't mean they won't still be horrible tho' . . .

Carry some food. I was relying on one of the feed stations and hadn't used any bag drops but found just a few bananas and one gel when I got there (should have gone faster I know!)

Enjoy it - last year was brilliant.

Posted 1 year ago #
paul4stones - Member

Tracker - yes, plenty of hiding places (usually)

Posted 1 year ago #
MrGreedy - Member

This could probably make a thread of its own, but what the heck - what tyres is everyone planning on using?

Posted 1 year ago #
radoggair - Member

the fastest ones i have. Probably racing ralph 2.1 or similiar. Its not techy the course so the least rolling resistance the better

Posted 1 year ago #
coopersport1 - Member

I'm probably kidding myself but there doesn't seem to be much more climbing than the South Downs Way, which I solo'd in 10hrs earlier in the year so add a blanket and a whistle and I'm sorted. Maybe drop some food so I don't have to carry it. Bike- will be on the 5, Nic up front Ralph out back- get on pedal till someone says stop.

Posted 1 year ago #
coopersport1 - Member

oh maybe get some different mozzy rep as the last stuff I used melted my watch strap! Will test at 10 More in Moray!

Posted 1 year ago #
boxelder - Member

Still haven't started training due to knee bother - nae bother (he quips, kidding himself). May have to just start and see how it goes.......

Posted 1 year ago #
forge197 - Member

boxelder - ditto but for different reasons, and the weekend just gone one ride, bit or concrete making, brick and slab laying not the best training.

Posted 1 year ago #
MrSparkle - Member

It's reet. 32:16. You'll love it.

Posted 1 year ago #
boxelder - Member

bit or concrete making, brick and slab laying not the best training.

At least you'll resisit the blisters my soft hands are destined for.
Are you taking the van and parking inconspicuously?

Posted 1 year ago #
ajf - Member

Training is going terrible at the moment! Only managed to get an entry a couple of weeks ago.

First long ride wasa 38 miler. Got a migrane half way through but managed to finish despite feeling sick for most of it. Worst couple of hours I have ever spent on a bike as I couldn't see straight.

Second was this Friday. Thought bike up to Dales and bivvie. Managed to break my back wheel within 15 miles from home. Got wife to pick me up.

So my plan is to wing it and see.

Taking a 500ml bottle then a seat pack and a bum bag for other stuff. Don't want a bag on my back for all that time. May put a spare bottle in at cp's that i don't mind losing if people reckon there is a likelyhood of one bouncing out.

Posted 1 year ago #
trail_rat - Member

im now out .

firm date of the 16th for africa

just offloading my entry to a mate

Posted 1 year ago #
trail_rat - Member

duplicate

Posted 1 year ago #
Shandy - Member

Is 500ml a "large" bottle? Its a bit vague in the list.

I haven't done anything over 5 hours yet, due to some injuries and time constraints. I was out in the Alps there and have done a mix of 4-5 hour road rides and 2-3 hour XC rides with some tough climbs. I reckon I have the pace in the legs but I haven't done as many long rides as I hoped. I'm doing some long steady routes over the next couple of weeks and then planning out the nutrition, as long as I finish I'll be happy.

Posted 1 year ago #
warton - Member

I've hardly ridden an MTB these last months...

done loads of road stuff. 75/85 miles every sunday. did coast to coast in a day last month. getting out for big rides in august though, both on MTB and road. also doing 'bootcamp' style outdoor training once a week, great for strength, loosing a bit of excess flab and getting core strength up, which after 85 odd miles will be very important!

Posted 1 year ago #
boxelder - Member

Large bottle = 750ml.

Are mp3 players allowed?

Posted 1 year ago #
Daisy_Duke - Member

Tracker, I'll be in campervan to. We'll hide together

Posted 1 year ago #
Daisy_Duke - Member

For those who rode last year, I take it the course is all rideable? We won't be having to carry our bikes up/down over?

Posted 1 year ago #
forge197 - Member

boxelder - staying at a campsite for a few days in the van Probably take a car a too as that will be easier to get to and from the event as I suspect it will be busy.

Posted 1 year ago #
PikeBN14 - Member

What percentage of people usually complete this, anyone know?

Posted 1 year ago #
boxelder - Member

Last year was the first - check the results.

Posted 1 year ago #