I have watched the tour a few times this week, narry a none white face, if there are I missed them. Odd for such a big event that I had presumed attracted a very wide following.
Not after a fighty thread just an observation is all.
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Is the TDF just a white man's sport?
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lets be honest and non racist.
cycling is a european sport.Posted 1 year ago # -
It isnt though is it. It may be a westernised world sport, but certainly is not european.
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Definitely not European. America sometimes takes it more seriously then England, for example.
But yeah, it is a white man's sport. I've met one black cyclist. But then how many men in a 100m final are white?
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bikerbruce - Member
lets be honest and non racist.
cycling is a richeuropean sport.African teams have enetered the cycling events in the commonwealth games, but famously in the Manchester Games one team travelled without bikes, and were helped out by a local bike shop, while another took the M61 towards Bolton, to get to the area where the cycling events were being held - they were riding along the hardshoulder when the police escorted them off!
Got a feeling that culturally cycling in many none european countries is seen more as essential transport rather than sport - good article in C+ a couple of months ago about "coffee bikes", recycled MTBs provided to assist fair trade growers to get their produce to market.
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I've know a couple of black cyclists at club level.
To be blunt and speaking generally I don't think top flight cycling is something that 'interests' the western black community. Not that it is top priority to the white community.
A bit like Asian Indians and professional football.
I await the usual 'you must be a racist' comments.
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http://vannevar.blogspot.com/2009/07/major-taylor-tour-de-france-racism.html
The peloton doesn't seem to want any black riders. The races that feed the TdF don't seem to have a lot of black riders. The sponsors don't seem to want any black riders.
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Black guy riding the national circuit race champ last night.
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I was thinking similar thoughts at a recent marathon event, out of some 800 starters i saw only two non-white faces.
I don't think it can be simplified as 'a rich middle class sport' because i am neither rich nor middle class although i am white.
I suspect there are deeper cultural issues where cycling is not seen as a proper sport for certain cultural minorities.
Having said that, cycling isn't seen as a proper sport by the majority of indiginous ethnic Britons either
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Cycling historically is a white, european, working class sport, much as football used to be. It's gradually becoming more of a middle class activity (STW- QED), but the big traditional cycling nations are still France, Belgium, Italy, Germany, etc.
The lack of 'black' professionals is a reflection of this cultural and social history. As it becomes more mainstream, more 'respectable' (ie you can make money from doing it), so it will begin to become attractive to a wider, more cosmopolitan section of the population.
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how many non whites do you see out in the countryside in the uk?
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I await the usual 'you must be a racist' comments.
I bet some of your closest friends are roadies
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A bit like Asian Indians and professional football.
That's always been a head scratcher for me because every 5/7-a-side football place I've been to has always had a lot of young asian guys playing.
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the asians are mad for football
south korea always have a very good world cup
koreans in the premier league
japan has a 100 year plan for football,
as for mtbing
he's better than you
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dirtyrider,
Asian INDIANS - India, Bangladesh and Pakistan, not Oriental Asians.
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err... right, ok. Yes, the Bangladesh cricket team are renowned for their dominance of world football.
Have you read and understood anything that's been posted on the thread?
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White men can't jump
Black men can't cycle (or swim...)
Different races in good at different sports shocker
100m - athletes of west African origin
Distance running - athletes of east and north African origin
Endurance cycling - why not people of European origin...?
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ioddrik you beaut.
its not racism its statistically analysis
dave clark is the best british coloured rider.
roman bhahiti is a ok us sprinter but theyre are very few decent coloured riders.....
In the same way there are very few marathon specialists not from kenya...
except smee of course who wins all. with his sub minute mile.Posted 1 year ago # -
Does everybody have to do everything? I know one black guy who is an excellent cyclist and can trounce me any day but he says he doesn't know any other black guys who are interested. With regard to no black faces in the countryside debate, I used to work with an Asian woman who said her family simply couldn't understand why whitey wanted to spend time in the smelly countryside. To them country = poverty and backwardness.I can understand when Trevor Phillips talks about 'passive apartheid' in the country but surely that's as much about most black people choosing to live in town, there not being that many jobs in the country.
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i once saw a black guy come into the bike 'shop' i work in. No wait there was a police man also.
Both were tanks with arms as big as my legs.
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There was an initiative to encourage more black people to enjoy the great oudoors and walking in particular.Until A West Indian community leader pointed out that walking back home meant you were poor and walked great distances to work, school and to get food etc and that it was looked upon as a chore not a leisure pursuit!!
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you obviously missed the Japs then
elsewhere
http://tourofrwanda.com/covered in an edition of Procycling
ASO are very keen in developing races in places that would surprise you
plenty of non-white people riding track at a high level
usual if it's not on TV or in STW it doesn't happen?
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There was certainly an active road scene in Barbados when I was there on holiday and it wasnt a "white man's" sport.
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That tour is racist article seemed like bull to me.
I think a huge amount of life is cultral. Japan aside I'm just not aware of cycling being big in non white cultures. I expect it will change with time.....
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black - yes
coloured - no
Anyways, I'd always thought the TDF being as big as it is there would at least be a smattering of diversity; however from the reasons given above, I think I get part of why it isn't.Posted 1 year ago # -
Its not racist. Thats like calling the 100m final at the olympics racist just because no white sprinters made the cut. If they are there and up to standard, they will race.
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T'was in Bristol a month ago and saw an indian roadie in full out gear with a special' roadie turban-guessing he was a Sikh.
I thought that was great to see!
But he was difficult to overtake...while I was driving Posted 1 year ago # -
errrm, there are two black riders in this years tour.
Zakayo Ndbri and Mwangi Samwel as far as I know. Both Kenyan.
As above, any team who can find a rider who is lightning fast will pick them up, they really won't care about their skin colour. If they can win races then they've got a job. Plus, any team that is seen to be supporting black men know they will gets loads of positive feedback so they'll most probably be actively looking for black riders.
Why black men are not attracted to road racing is an entirely different matter and one that I personally think is based in history and culture. I don't think the black community in Europe or America are particularly drawn to road racing as a sport what with football and rugby being far more prominent/financially sound.
Maybe you should stand as an embassador eth3r, perhaps a black man would draw more support and encouragement to give it a try. One area that I reckon is a good starting point is track riding. The Manchester Velodrome is located right in the middle of a large black community yet no black riders ride the track (that I've seen and I'm there quite a bit) and Bauge at the very least has shown us that black riders can excel in such an arena.
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while another took the M61 towards Bolton, to get to the area where the cycling events were being held - they were riding along the hardshoulder when the police escorted them off!
This has happened about three times IIRC. I've even passed one set of lads on the M61 out for a quick training ride (these were czechs or something).
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"theyre are very few decent coloured riders....."
too many colours if u ask me.
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That article also suggests the tour de france is sexist as there are no women in the race. It appears that because the female stage races and classics don't get the press mens do, the sport is sexist too. Basically that whole website is full of poorly thought out arguments to get hits but it seems they accept that the riders in it mostly are the best ones in the world.
Their suggestion - create a race within the TDF taking out all the hard bits for disadvantaged people like non-white riders and women. Surely that's more insulting?
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The French did not like a white American winning their race so many times. Nuff said
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Right that's it, I through with cycling.
Now where's my new kabadi strip....
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If it's really muddy I often finish a ride looking like a black and white minstrel, does that earn me a lifetime ban?
I'd post a picture for comedy effect but somehow I think the more sensitive types on STW might die of shock and/or report me to the anti-hate police
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