Just been reading about this. Very interesting. She's due to enter service in 2011 and is one of Britain's new Astute class submarines. Looks like a big fish.
Here's it's head making it's way from one workshop to another.
It makes less noise than a baby dolphin, could (with enough food), circumnavigate the planet without resurfacing, will run for 25 years on it's existing reactor without refuelling and if it's sat in the English Channel, it can detect ships leaving New York Harbour with sonar.
If you want one you'll need deep pockets though, roughly a billion pounds each.
I was reading about the change of rules to allow women to serve on submarines. Some comedian on a navy forum said 'well there goes our reputation as the silent service' 🙂
My BIL is one of the guys working on that. I went to one of the launches of the Trident when I was a kid, they make one hell of a splash when they reach the water.
If the biggest threat to the world is Osama Bin Liner and his cronies, WTF do we need to know about ships leaving NY Harbour? Can we detect if Obama sneaks out a cheeky poop after lunch too? 😕
Regarding listening to boats leaving NY – they were peddling that line in the 60's when my father was involved in sonar upgrade trials on one of the RNs frigates
MY beliefs
Father Christmas – what a crock
Tooth Fairy – pull the other one
Easter Bunny – laughable
The Sock Monster – REAL you and me..
Sonar contact across the Atlantic ocean from the English Channel.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (even on the West Coast of Ireland on a good day would be doubtful)
So no matter how quiet it might be, the Chinese, Russians and Americans will all know exactly where it is.
I wonder what the Chinese, Russians and Americans-counter capabilities are.
I wonder if someone, somewhere has our hardware constantly tracked around the clock. Or if there are more Philby, Burgess Mclean in our era doing damage?
wwaswas – Member
…'Ambush' doesn't sound like it upholds the valiant traditions of the Senior Service?
Tell that to the crew of the 'General Belgrano' 🙂
The Ambush is going to be an impressive piece of kit, but why we are building it, and what we are going to do with it are a mystery to me when we have nothing for it to do.
The Ambush is going to be an impressive piece of kit, but why we are building it, and what we are going to do with it are a mystery to me when we have nothing for it to do.
After the sinking of the belgrano the Argentinian fleet rushed back to port. By having submarines, you deny an opponent access to the sea and to try and counter a sub will cost a huge amount of money.
Sonor – Member
After the sinking of the belgrano the Argentinian fleet rushed back to port. By having submarines, you deny an opponent access to the sea and to try and counter a sub will cost a huge amount of money.
You're dead right. I retract my thoughtless statement.
Forgot we still need them as a deterrent for the defence of the Falklands. That sub could save quite a few lives if we don't have to have a shooting war with the Argentinians again.
On a serious note, the UK is still a Great Power able to influence events on the world stage along with France, Russia, China. The USA is the only superpower & Germany and Japan are Economic Great Powers. Considering how much of our economy relies upon imports & exports across the oceans we would be mad to give up a 1st rate submarine fleet.
Yes I'm sure the Russian's etc could detect & destroy one of these boats but that really would depend on the crew sailing her and Russia (or whomever) having the intelligence to know where to start looking (once she is at sea!)
They pretty much gave up on the big gun battle-cruisers/ships when so many of them were sunk in WW2 by submarines and carrier borne aircraft.
IIRC the UK's last battleship was scrapped in the 1950's but the USA kept hold of a couple for a lot longer. The USS New Jersey saw action in 1991 softening up Iraqi coastal defences.
I did hear a rumour that there were plans to fit a 155mm gun to some RN ships as shells are considerably cheaper than missiles. It was probably just a Lewis Page story though!