I thought I made a mistake, but he defo said:
ones i sell at £49.99 cost me £2.50
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HDMI cables. Worth spending a bit extra?
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I did ask where he worked but obviously wouldn't say
Oh I know I suspect he does not trust you and thinks you may inform his employer - sadly it has happened before on here a number of times. The bit where you called them unscrupolous is a bit of a clue to your attitude. Why unscruppulous in parting a fool from his money? I have the cheap one which works just as well yet you have the thrill of a superior product because you paid more it. win win for everyone surely. I mean if it was only 50 p more the placebo effect would be so much poorer so you need to pay silly money surely?Posted 1 year ago # -
is this still going on..............
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Oh I know I suspect he does not trust you and thinks you may inform his employer - sadly it has happened before on here a number of times. The bit where you called them unscrupolous is a bit of a clue to your attitude. Why unscruppulous in parting a fool from his money? I have the cheap one which works just as well yet you have the thrill of a superior product because you paid more it. win win for everyone surely. I mean if it was only 50 p more the placebo effect would be so much poorer so you need to pay silly money surely?
It's unscrupulous because he is just charging an excessive margin. Taking a cheap product and marking up 20 times or so.
Now a manufacturer may well make something for a cost of production of say £2.50 and sell on for £49 and it finally end up in retail for say £149. But the manufacturer is incurring other costs along the way, R&D, Marketing etc etc and likely net margin is less than 10%.
It seems to me that all he is doing is taking a cheap product, marking up and conning customers that really a responsible retailer (with scruples) should be advising.
As I mentioned before, no manufacturer would allow their products to be marked up in such a way. Thus I suspect the post is bogus or he is just importing from somewhere and selling on eBay etc.
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The economics behind my last para is that imagine there was a manufacturers who was selling something to a retailer for £2.50 but knew it could be sold at retail for £49.
What would they do?
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So it is ok to be conned as long as the manufacturer does the conning and not the retailer? In fact you can pay more than three times the price from Ton and still consider it fair
What would they do?
Laugh at people stupid enough to pay that price?
Join in the ripping off of you?
I know engineers who make the carpet strips and the tile edging they were on 29 p each last time I asked and they retailed at over a tenner. I believe it is called risk reward - the manufactures deffo sells all they make the shop may not sell all they buy.Posted 1 year ago # -
The theoretical issue is that any cable has capacitance, and shielded cables have more. A digital signal is a square wave. Pass a square wave through a capacitor and the waveform is rounded off, particularly on the trailing edges. Once the signal diverges too far from the original errors will creep in as it is misinterpreted - and the higher the sampling rate, the more likely that is. HOWEVER the very good news is that the capacitances in home cable runs are so small that they're insignificant, so a cheap cable will work just as well as a hideously expensive one as long as the plugs fit well (but HDMI is much less problematic than SCART).
With long cable runs the capacitance is a big issue, which is why you get slow broadband when you're a long way from the exchange (where things then go from electrical to optical).
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I know it reads like he knows what he is saying but honestly we all know that you can tell the difference and it is not your fault that science cannot measure the REAL performance difference that you can detect
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So ton can you sort us a samsung blu ray?
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mat........we do not sell them mate.
to be honest, places like asda/tesco's are the best for stuff like that.
returns policy is fantastic compared to small specialist places.Posted 1 year ago # -
I used to install hi end home theatre kit in a previous life.
There is a difference in the operation of HDMI cable at different quality levels and distances.
I rarely detected performance advantages from spending more money - the difference was the signal would work or it didn't.
We used some 10m> Chord cables a lot as the cheaper Vivanco models or generic Chinese style ones simply didnt work between certain models of DVD players (Pioneers were a ball ache even with their own screens) and Sky boxes.
At that time as well you were getting a lot of D to A to D conversion going on as well so it did make a difference.
Plus certain brands liked being pulled between floors and ceilings and some just fell apart. The more expensive ones were better and fitted the end sockets better too.
That was from practical experience.
The Digital is perfect stuff is nonsense, DECT phones, DAB, etc all have problems. Digital is not perfect.
Personally anything over 5m and i would go up a quality notch, anything below then bog standard works for me.
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Finally someone who knows what they are talking about.
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Ton, can you suggest a 5.1 system that's excellent at music, sub £2k?
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Ton, can you suggest a 5.1 system that's excellent at music, sub £2k?
I think he recommended Asda/Tesco for buying HiFi/AV
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Ton, can you suggest a 5.1 system that's excellent at music, sub £2k?
I think he recommended Asda/Tesco for buying HiFi/AV
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Laugh at people stupid enough to pay that price?
Join in the ripping off of you?
I know engineers who make the carpet strips and the tile edging they were on 29 p each last time I asked and they retailed at over a tenner. I believe it is called risk reward - the manufactures deffo sells all they make the shop may not sell all they buy.It was actually an intellectual question that clearly went over your head.
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Finally someone who knows what they are talking about.
I agree
I rarely detected performance advantages from spending more money - the difference was the signal would work or it didn't
you said
I noticed a massive difference
You are clutching at straws now. Most people agree after a certain length upgrade a bit. Most agree it works or it does not. you think you can detect some massive difference no one seems to agree and the science does not support this position.
It was actually an intellectual question that clearly went over your head.
Ye sif only I was intellectual enough to fall for the placebo effect like you
Pedantically it would have been rhetorical ....so smart arse fail as well
Shame you omitted to say this in the your posts since this comment till now .... I believe i can hear your fingernails on a barrellPosted 1 year ago # -
Trust me if the signal is dropping and you are experiencing ghosting or pixelating (or whatever its called, its like kind of bits go out of sync) on a run from your source to your projector then you will notice a massive difference when switching to decent cables. As I did.
You'd know if you actaully had a projector or a blu ray source in any decent size room that the cable run is likely to be 10m plus.
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On the techie side of things as far as I can see although the signals are digital, the stuff is coming down the wire so fast that the first 'bit' gets about 100cm along the cable before the next one starts
. That's ok for short runs but the longer the cable the more difficult it is to keep the clock and signal together and eventually they will start to no longer match up. Add reflections at the point where the cable plugs in and sharp bends and it gets clear why digital isn't really so clear cut as you might think...But for short runs a cable that is made and tested to the most recent spec should work
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You have to remember though as well that some manufacturers adherence to 'Standards' isn't all that.
Plus, the direction thing, that can be a factor... some kit combos prefer being grounded at source end, in this case direction would be very important as the start of the cable would have the grounded shield.
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The point wasn't "digital is perfect" so much as "either it works or it doesn't."
You're not going to get a slightly fuzzy picture from a cheap HDMI cable like you might from a cheap SCART cable. You'll either get a watchable picture, or you won't.
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I think Ton is an honest chap, and maybe just maybe he is giving us a trade 'heads up'. I know he has sold stuff to those that have asked before, but I don't recall him trying to sell anything other than tank type used MTB stuff on the classifieds
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How I laughed when I saw this one. USB cable rather than HDMI but $299/m! AV Guide USB reference cable
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That's funny, but not as funny as the $500 audio ethernet cable. Just shows there's one born every minute.
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