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black skinned...
Farage shall tweet later. "Rewriting our history etc" 😉
Adventures in IQ, eh?
He's often in my local.
🙂
DNA and gene modelling are revealing so much about both our very ancient and more recently old past that theories and hypotheses of just a couple of years ago are being blown out of the water.
As humans we need to seriously reevaluate "where we're from" and what that means alongside migration, immigration and the them and us of politics today
Are we descended from Aliens ?
Bet we are Y’ano..
I'm not sure why this should be such a big surprise.
I mean we came out of Africa and it's been known for some time that European DNA isn't 100% homo sapien but has some neanderthal DNA mixed in.
Having dark skin is not the best for an ice-age because you won't get the same Vit D but its not that bad and there were as many interglacials as ice ages where protection fro UV would be an advantage.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px; background-color: #eeeeee;">I’m not sure why this should be such a big surprise.</span>
The shift to lighter skin was thought to have been earlier. So it is a bit of a surprise but as you say not a major one.
The shift to lighter skin was thought to have been earlier. So it is a bit of a surprise but as you say not a major one.
I always thought (especially since DNA evidence pointed to us (Europeans) being somewhat mongrels) that this was more of an assumption based on no-one ever asking why.
The Victorian prejudice is hardly surprising, more that to me none ever seemed to question it.
In the absence of a good reason or evidence to the contrary people coming out of Africa being African seems a more logical default.
Schadenfreude of our great British racists getting their heads round this aside,
It's fascinating stuff, looking forward to the documentary and the publications!
Race, especially as regards skin colour, is something that should have been debunked as pseudo- science a while ago.
Be interesting to see what this guy's Neanderthal /Denisovian content is ?
The only thing we can say for sure is that, genetically we are all immigrants from Africa.
Personally would love to see the day when we've sequenced everyone on the world, would be amazing to see how and when we spread across the world.
More ancient DNA is needed to get the full picture though
He’s so handsome. He has such happy thoughts behind those dreamy eyes
where did all the ugly, boring, grumpy people come from?
Stewart Lee must be absolutely loving this - I know that I am.
"As humans we need to seriously reevaluate “where we’re from”"
Define "need".
Does this mean that Lenny Henry/Idris Elbow gets to play every male part in every film/play from now on #peopleofcolor.
We were a mucky lot, lots of interbreeding between subspecies. We're all about 4% Neanderthal because great, great etc Aunty Thingy fancied that hairy bloke 4 caves down.
Subspecies, not colour. Just think about how the EDL membership is going to struggle with that one.
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Daily Mail commenters are angry, but don't worry, Cheddar Man was probably a filthy migrant:
</span>We have no idea where cheddar man originated. He and his parents may well have been migratory hunters, traders, prisoners or simply people who liked to wander. Trying to characterise the entire population of the UK at that time by one body is like trying to the same today by selecting one person at random<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;">.
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Subspecies, not colour. Just think about how the average racist is going to struggle with that one
going by the daily express comment "it's just PC nonsense"
When i I posted this I was joking about Farage (and his ilk) being negative towards this research.
Never thought anyone would actually really have a problem about it!
As the only thing causing this "concern" is this guys colour and NOTHING else it's a fantastic expose of what is really going on in the average DM readers mind.
"I'm not racist but...." my arse!
Anyway, intriguing stuff if you can look at it though untainted eyes.
As humans we need to seriously reevaluate [s]“where we’re from” and what that means alongside migration, immigration and[/s] the them and us of politics today
fixed!
[s]Does this mean that Lenny Henry/Idris Elbow gets to play every male part in every film/play from now on #peopleofcolor.[/s]
fixed!
HTH
There were earlier inhabitants of those caves, roughly 5000 years earlier, in fact. The lighter skin was a development to allow better vitamin D from sunlight, so clearly not a racial thing.
Tool-using hominids have been traced back roughly 500,000 years, the earliest remains are now in Australia, rather than Africa, so there doesn’t seem to be one specific source of modern humans, more like a general series of hominid development in various parts of the world the migrated and interbred in places like Europe.
There is a teacher in Cheddar who’s DNA is a direct link back to skeletal remains found in the caves, whether to this individual or another I don’t know.
Hope this really messes with yer average Mail, Express and Scum readers heads!
Oh the comments linked to above....
Is it me, or does he look a bit like Smokey Robinson?
Tommy's cousin?
[i]Tommy’s cousin?[/i]
Nah, you're thinking of Anne.
Out of curiosity I did have a wee peep at the Sun and Express reports of this discovery, and at the comments below. Call it masochism. But anyway, refreshing to see that The Sun editors still refer to science/scientists as 'boffins' in the headline. Likewise, the comments are pretty much in line with the historical outrage and skepticism expressed by the general public when Charles Darwin was first laying it out...
The myth of human progress? Aren't we still tribes of shrieking chimps? Flinging faeces at blue-eyed devils and brown-skinned savages? Oh my words. What if this story WAS a well-meaning hoax to try and heal the false divide? A blue-eyed brown dude? A great great great great grandaddy who humbles all of the race-focused tossers and baiters into calming their collective shit down? 🤔
Not reallly. I think pretty much everything operates as clickbait now?
We were a mucky lot, lots of interbreeding between subspecies. We’re all about 4% Neanderthal because great, great etc Aunty Thingy fancied that hairy bloke 4 caves down.
There was a Paleontologist on Radio 4 a few weeks about discussing that, and why certain sub species get their own classification and others don't. The normal definition is where two species are considered distinct it they cannot produce fertile offspring. Which is why black/caucasian/east asian/ south asian/australasian etc aren't considered sub species of homo sapien.
In answer to the question "why are neanderthals separate if we have their DNA", is there may have been a lot of cross breading, but very few were then fertile, or there may have been very little. There's also the issue that neanderthals and what came after still shared a common ancestor, so not all neanderthal DNA was from crossbreeding, some was there anyway, but they can tell that apart by how fragmented it is.
More ancient DNA is needed to get the full picture though
So make me an offer...
Lol
This just reaffirms my previous assertion that we wuz kangz.
Early Australian hominids were just an example of convergent evolution. They were actually marsupials.
I've genuinely read a (not intentionally ironic) comment from a Daily Mail type on twitter than begins "I'm not a DNA expert but...."
Actually what they typed was "DNA expect" but I assume from context it was meant to say expert...
I'm hoping to see a lot of "Keep Britain Black" t-shirts appearing soon......
There is a teacher in Cheddar who’s DNA is a direct link back to skeletal remains found in the caves,
I think pretty much every school has a teacher like that. 😉
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px;">Tool-using hominids have been traced back roughly 500,000 years, the earliest remains are now in Australia, rather than Africa, so there doesn’t seem to be one specific source of modern humans, </span>
Earliest tool use way further back than that 2.8m yrs in Kenya? We assume that's hominin.
Not sure about Australia? But some questions posed by fossils >7m years old from southern Europe & actial homo dapiens 160k yrs in morroco looking to upset the apple cart last year, but thats close enough to kenya to not change too much.
What genetics does seem to tell us is that the population with by far the greatest diversity is central African, indicating that modern humans that we are descended from arose there first.