@Vortexracing – sorry mate, English not my first language, my brain not yet working properly this morning. Should have said ‘in their normal guise’ but changed my mind about the sentence half way through. 😀
Oh and to also answer your other question, they are heavy and very long when folded up. So long that they don’t fit sideways in most cars (doesn’t fit sideways in my Jeep Grand Cherokee) so you have to lay them diagonally and then they take up a ton of awkward space.
Last time I saw Jedi he had a van so it might not matter but I still have one of those cheaper Argos steel shelters (£80) and I now have a Transporter T5 and it even annoys me in that as I have to lay it long ways and slide it under one of the seats. Also a pain to store in the garage with the bikes and others stuff.
I am a big boy and still find the thing heavy to handle. 😳