Hi, could you please tell me the main difference in a 2009 soul frame to a 2014 soul frame.

Cheers

1 1/8″ vs tapered head tube. 27.2mm vs 31.6mm seat post. 130mm vs 140mm max fork length.

There are other changes but they’re all relatively insignificant.

Cheers that’s what I needed. So is the geometry the same then ?

Yes!

All the 26″ Souls and BFes are identical in geometry, size for size. (The medium Mk3 Soul is 3mm longer of top tube than all the other mediums but I doubt you’d be able to tell…)

The insignificant changes relate to things like amount and placement of cable routing points, gussets existing or not etc. Generally, they’ve been getting stronger and easier to fix things to.

By far the most significant change is likely the seat tube closely followed by the head tube…

The geek section of Cotic’s website used to have a page detailing every little change between models and was very handy. May still be able to find it with the way back machine?

Great, thanks heaps for that

Yes!

Sure about that?

I seem to recall the geo was tweaked to accommodate inline posts/droppers with the move to the bigger seat tube, rather being designed around a setback post.

I’d say the most significant change by far was the loss of the rear end flexibility due to the seatpost being beefed up and the CEN changes. My mk1 Soul was like riding a softtail at times, which I really liked.

Sure about that?
I seem to recall the geo was tweaked to accommodate inline posts/droppers with the move to the bigger seat tube, rather being designed around a setback post.

Yes – you’re thinking of the changes for the 27.5 version.

I’d say the most significant change by far was the loss of the rear end flexibility due to the seatpost being beefed up and the CEN changes. My mk1 Soul was like riding a softtail at times, which I really liked.

The CEN compliance thing was first with the Mk2 (2010) version which was also the first to be ok for a 140mm fork. If I remember rightly (having bought one and ridden it lots) the other changes were an ovalised top tube, 631 head tube and gussets from the head tube to down tube. No changes to the seat tube or stays on the Mk2 vs the later Mk1 versions.

I also recall there were quite a few Mk1 variants, with some of them having thinner walled stays, so they’d be the most compliant. I think only a few batches were like that before they returned to stiffer stays for better rear wheel tracking.

Yes – you’re thinking of the changes for the 27.5 version.

Just testing. 😉

Just testing.

#coticgeek 😛