Viewing 27 posts - 1 through 27 (of 27 total)
  • Combi boiler and shower
  • JCornford
    Full Member

    I've just moved into my new house which I've renovated, it's got a combi boiler and a standard shower, but the temperature seems to fluctuate quite a lot, basically the hot water keeps dropping out for a few seconds at a time, is this a trait of combi boilers, or do I just need to adjust something?

    crikey
    Free Member

    I think it might be a water pressure thing; combis need decent pressure. Have you got the stop tap opened fully?

    wwaswas
    Full Member

    if it's not a thermostatic shower it might explain the problem but when we had a combi and a thermostatic shower it was the best shower I've ever had – mains water pressure is great 🙂

    clubber
    Free Member

    Are you sure the shower is running off the combi boiler?

    If not, the pressure drop when someone turns on the water can trigger the low flow sensor in the shower and it cuts power.

    bristolbiker
    Free Member

    but the temperature seems to fluctuate quite a lot, basically the hot water keeps dropping out for a few seconds at a time

    If it's a decent mixer with a thermostat – no. Does it do the same thing if you just run a hot tap?

    JCornford
    Full Member

    It's just a mixer tap running from the mains http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/MinimalisticBathShowerMixer223449?category=bathroom_taps and no one else is turning a tap on.

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    We have a combi and a standard (non-therm) mixer. The water temperature is fine and constant unless someone turns on a tap/washing machine running/dishwasher running etc.

    Unfortunately for us, the way the pipes are routed, we share a feed with five other properties too so if any of them turn a tap on….

    But no – assuming you have a constant feed, the temperature shouldn't fluctuate.

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    Do you share a feed with other properties? Is the water pressure at the shower head dropping?

    JCornford
    Full Member

    How would I know if I share a feed? I have got my own meter and can turn the water to my property off at that point so i would assume no.

    The pressure did drop slightly at the head.

    RustyMac
    Full Member

    Sounds like a water pressure thing to me. check the pressure gage on the boiler, recommended pressure should be in the instruction manual. My boiler works best at 1.5 bar

    JCornford
    Full Member

    Ok cheers, I will have a look at that.

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    How would I know if I share a feed? I have got my own meter and can turn the water to my property off at that point so i would assume no.

    Imagine a hosepipe with feeders coming off it – at the end of each feeder there could still be a meter and a way of switching it off at the house (there SHOULD be a way to do that!) so you could still have a shared feed.

    And when I say shared feed, I mean a smaller gauge pipe than the water main (because we are all on a shared feed from the main). Where is the stopcock? How many other houses does the stopcock feed? How old is the house? What type of house is it (terrace etc).

    Your local water authority *should* be able to tell you.

    bristolbiker
    Free Member

    I meant, run a hot tap with the shower OFF – do you still get a temp fluctuation from the tap water?

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    The pressure did drop slightly at the head.

    And if it does that, the boiler will compensate to stop you from being Boil in the Bag Cornford

    JCornford
    Full Member

    Each house has a stop cock just inside the front door.

    It's an early 1900's terrace, 1906 I think.

    Come to think of it when I was running the hot water for the washing up the water did go cold for a few secs and then run hot again.

    bristolbiker
    Free Member

    Come to think of it when I was running the hot water for the washing up the water did go cold for a few secs and then run hot again.

    Not the shower mixer then – as others have said, probably low pressure feed to the boiler.

    JCornford
    Full Member

    I will have a play around with the pressure then and hopefully that will fix things. Thanks guys.

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    Each house has a stop cock just inside the front door.

    It's an early 1900's terrace, 1906 I think
    Is it a stopcock (ie, on the floor, little metal lid to lift) or just a tap inline on a pipe inside the house?

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    Also, some combis can take a minute or two to catch up with themselves once you switch on as the electronic gubbins works out what is going on and the water is flowing.

    JCornford
    Full Member

    I'm not sure as it's underneath the laminate floor! I have got stop valves by ever appliance though. I have got what you describe outside my house.

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    I have got what you describe outside my house.

    Then it *sounds* like you aren't on a shared feed then – I would *assume* the stopcock (outside your house) is coming from a mains pipe so you should have very good water pressure.

    It is very easy to test pressure – your local authority will have instructions. Quite simply you need a bucket, fill it with a determined amount of water and time it. If it takes <time than the maximum allowed then you have acceptable pressure. If it takes >time then they may come out and carry out work UP TO your boundary for free. Any work inside your boundary is your responsibility.

    Can you tell I have had recent issues with this yet… 😥

    JCornford
    Full Member

    Yeah I could tell, all sorted now I hope?

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    Yeah I could tell, all sorted now I hope?

    Nah – we live on an 'unadopted road' and the pipe from the main is shared between several terraced houses on the row (and runs under everyone's yards). As soon as the pipe leaves a publicly accessible place they aren't interested.

    Hence we can sometimes have a trickle of water (much lower pressure than is acceptable under their terms) and it all is still lead piped in 2010!!!! Unless we pay someone (£ several thousand) to do the work on the private side (even though it means accessing at least five other people's properties) anything they do on 'their' side is useless. 🙁 So we make do with a Brita water filter and occasional rubbish showers (especially at going to work time).

    chickenman
    Full Member

    Rusty Mac- don't confuse the pressure in the heating system (radiators) with the mains water supplying domestic hot water.
    Combi boilers are vastly more complicated than normal ones and one of the things that wears out in them is the Diverter Valve: Inside this is a rubber membrane that moves to flick and hold down a micro switch when you turn on a hot tap, letting the boiler know its time to let rip and go into overdrive and fire the burners up full.
    When the rubber perishes (5years+) then the water pressure from the mains can no longer keep the micro switch open so water is no longer super heated.
    Test this by disconnecting the leads to the Diverter valve micro switch and check the resistance across the terminals with the hot tap on for a minute or so…you should also see the plunger in the valve move when the hot tap is on.
    You can get reconditioned valves on e-bay but its a very tricky job getting all the O rings to seal again.

    spooky_b329
    Full Member

    Mastiles, can't you and the neighbours do the work yourselves? Just all muck in and dig a new trench, new plastic pipe, sorted. You would just need to pay someone to dig the public side and connect it up.

    ian-r
    Full Member

    Had a very similar problem caused by the heat exchanger getting a build up of gunk on it cvaused by hard water and crap in the heating system. Had a new exchanger and a system flush and no more problems yet (fingers crossed)

    mastiles_fanylion
    Free Member

    Mastiles, can't you and the neighbours do the work yourselves? Just all muck in and dig a new trench, new plastic pipe, sorted. You would just need to pay someone to dig the public side and connect it up.

    Mix of private, rented and empty properties. Hell, we can't even get people to agree to fix the badly potholed road, never mind anything else. If we ever did it, we would pay someone to put in a dedicated pipe (assuming neighbours will let us dig the road outside their properties which technically belongs to them) straight from the main on the road (the water authority will connect that up for free) but at £2/3k it is an expense we can't afford right now.

Viewing 27 posts - 1 through 27 (of 27 total)

The topic ‘Combi boiler and shower’ is closed to new replies.