I'm with toys19 and TJ on this, where countries have legalized/de criminalised there have been positive reductions in crime (Portugal / Switzerland and small scale experiments here) We have been fighting the "war on drugs" for 30-40 years and got nowhere, isn't it time to try something different? It would probaby reduce crime, the prison population and possibly even the number of addicts. The long term benefits to society could be immeasurable (Taliban finances through opium production affected, safer streets, BILLIONS of ££'s of our taxes saved and put to better use improving society) Why not try it??
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I don't really get it. I reckon I could keep ten cons chained up in my cellar for about £1000 a year. Why does it cost £30,000 a person?
I would feed them on bread/water/potatoes and give them a vit pill a day to keep them from getting scurvy. Three strikes for a crime like burglary and it's a 20 year sentence. They could come up from the cellar twice a day to break rocks to be used for road building manually or do some other pointless task. Jobs a good un.
Thats one thing that our American friends know about; nasty jails.
Our problem in society is that we're obsessed with costs. Even if you don't like my idea for victorian chokey, then maybe £30,000 is a good price to keep a cretin off the streets. Worth every penny in all honesty. Lock-em up and throw away the key.
Even if you're goint to stick to this lunatic cost/benefit analysis that we're obssed with, it probably takes 3/4 police officers, a probation officer, a few judges, a barrister for a few hours and tonnes of wasted admin hours for every loony-smackead out of jail who carrys on commiting petty crimes (not to mention the emotional trauma they cause).
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to be fair if we compare,sheer volume of police time, life cycle of drug use, criminal damage, long term chronic health issues, cost to the NHS and antisocial behaviour we may as well leave the odd IV drug user out of it and kill/jail/transport all the tossers who enjoy a beer.
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Thats one thing that our American friends know about; nasty jails.
and obviously their crime rates are low, and re-offending practically non-existant?
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and obviously their crime rates are low, and re-offending practically non-existant?
Are you trying to say that the ones they have killed have re-offended?
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Are you trying to say that the ones they have killed have re-offended?
to be fair a lot of them were not guilty in the first place
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What is the economic advantage of reducing property crime in a consumerist economy?
The problem is not "how" to reduce burglary, its "why"?
Nacho hits the nail on the headThe long term benefits to society could be immeasurable
But they would not be long term benefits to the economy, and that is more important to our politicians.Posted 3 months ago # -
Tazzy - its fairly comparable in effects = drunks thump people, junkie nick stereos IME. In terms of reducing burglaries which is where this came from giving junkies smack would stop a huge amount
The harm index thingy is interesting on this. Its as near as we get to objective data
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to be fair a lot of them were not guilty in the first place
We appear to have stumbled across a system that works, kill 'em before they offend therefore removing any possibility of re-offending.
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How do you possibly rehabilitate such prolific offenders into society?
Bin them.
No, really. It's nearly impossible to get people to stop using whatever drug it is they need to fund. They'll only stop when they OD.
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It is possible to rehabilitate them. Its the heroin addiction and the need for money that drives the crime.
so treat successfully the addiction and the crime will stop.
I know ex junkies that have turned into decent members of society
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Tazzy - I see you have no email in your profile -email me if you want to discuss some of the finer points off forum. I am genuinely interested in your views - its all data
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TJ- we'll do it over a beer someday it's much more civilised (until we get drunk, start a fight, crave kebabs and boff a minger)
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