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Posted 7 months ago #
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Cameron ............ He's a very middle of the road One-Nation Tory, much like Churchill, Eden and MacMillan
Harold "The Council House Builder" MacMillan was considerably to the left of New Labour, let alone Cameron. Just as an example under MacMillan's watch a quarter of a million council houses were built every year.
Contrast that with New Labour's appalling record - in their 13 years in government almost half a million council houses were sold off. And that same period Yorkshire and the Humber region which has the greatest social housing need in the UK, 24 council homes were built. On average, just a couple of thousand new social housing units were built per year under New Labour - despite a waiting list of 4 million.
But even New Labour's shameful record on social housing was too much for the right extremists in the Tory Party, and after installing himself in Number 10 David Cameron immediately announced a 60% cut in social housing expenditure.
Harold MacMillan who famously described the the privatisation of the utilities as "selling the family silver", was positively communist compared to the Blair/Cameron/Clegg shower of neo-liberal right-wing ****.
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Are the tories ok after all..?
Of course not... while they may have some use economically, as a governing power they are a shockingly poor moral example to our young people.. such willful and blase hypocracy can only be a negative influence on our future generation's view of their elders in society..
the tory will always put wealth before worth.. lucrativeness before love..
I'm not going to try and say that labour are the answer as they aren't much better if we're honest.. but the tories are despicable and I'm truly surprised that evolution hasn't caught up them and their supporters yet..
I'm sure that a far-ranging study into the negative effects of inbreeding would probably shed light onto this anomolous sociological disaster..I hope that my mature and measured contribution will help push the debate in this thread towards finding answers to the OPs original question..
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Ernie, but should the councils, and us the tax p\yer, subsidise council and social housing, if theres a need then comapnies and corporations should build them, and charge realistic rents, so they get tennants into them, thats what happens to lot of student housing, theres also more control of sub standard tennants, no running to the council every few days to repair your damage, or for minor repairs.
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project - and who pays the rents of the unemployed?
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This condem lot have some gpood ideas, its just putting it out there that they get screwed, instead of cutting student grants,and the uni,s charging high tution fees, just perhaps can we have a cull of totally pointless courses , or run them a block release, with firms subsidising them and the kids, working for their employer.
Also selling off or handing the NHS, to foreign companies is going to be seen as a huge failure for all its users.
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if theres a need then comapnies and corporations should build them, and charge realistic rents
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'Realistic rents'??
Are you for real?
The private sector will always, always charge as much as it can get away with, for anything. Less council housing = far, far greater cost to taxpayers for providing housing for those that need it.
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TJ, who pays the high intrest charges for the unemployed on their mortgages, usually on houses that are top big for them, but they just took out a huge mortgage just because they thought they couls afford it, thats until they sadly loose their jobs.
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Elfin, but if council or taxpayer housing wasnt there, private companies would build it.
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if theres a need then comapnies and corporations should build them,
There is nothing to stop companies building social housing. why have they not yet? I doubt the reason is because they cant build on greenbelt land or planning problems . They can make more money selling them to richer people and get faster returns so this will never happen- certainly it has not in the last 60 years and I see little reason to be optimistic tbhThere are 4 million waiting for them to build it and council housing numbers are reducing and yet still nothing - are they not compelled to build some as part of developments? That how keen they are to build them we need to force them so it just wont happen as they can make more money other ways
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Elfin, but if council or taxpayer housing wasnt there, private companies would build it.
Jesus wept....
Anyone else want to have a go? Can't be bothered any more.
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The Tories had no idea how to get them selves out of the last recession we was in
All they did was increase the interest rates to an alarming high crippled people
with the Poll Tax and then Council tax which is way over cost which the Tories
used estate agents to value areas to get a cost.And we are all in this together LOL This country is a trash can and would not
put my life in line to save it.Posted 7 months ago # -
As said above most developments now have to include social housing for the ex council house dweller type person.
We need to get away from this , "we will lend money for 25 plus years, at whatever intrest rate the bankers charge, just so that one day we may own that plot, if we keep up the payments, and dont die in between".
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I read The (free copy of) Daily Express in the pub after my bike ride today, and you know what, I'm convinced, the Tories are the new messiah! we're not worthy! Good job I read the papers.
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if theres a need then comapnies and corporations should build them
You would have thought so ......... if the claim that the market will always satisfy the needs of society was true.
There is a need........ 4.5 million people are needing affordable housing. But yet companies and corporations are sitting on land banks and not building. You see, the profit isn't good enough at the moment (it never is when it comes to affordable housing) and profit always comes before people. And anyway, banks, who call the shots, won't lend money to build homes (nor will they lend money to buy homes)
I take it that Harold MacMillan was too left-wing for you then project ?
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yes legislation forces them so that coupled with the lack of building This negates your point that the private sector will build them - they will but only if we make them - you seem to suggest they would if we did not and we are not building nay, have a housing shortage and 4 million waiting for houses.
In that there london, gawd bless her, build a shoe box and sell it for 250 k or rent it for £100 - this means it takes you circa 50 years to just get the 250 k and that ignores interest. Even at £200 it is 25 years...why would they do this? Only the govt can "afford" to do this.Posted 7 months ago # -
Can we just agree that the Tories don't give a toss about you or me they just care about the money. It's all about money. So long as the money flows up and not down. Ok, Sorted.
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As said above most developments now have to include social housing for the ex council house dweller type person.
They don't. You're confusing 'Social Housing' with 'Affordable Housing' which some developers are 'obliged' to provide a 'certain percentage' of in new developments as part of their planning application being granted.
'Affordable' is an arbitrary term which means bugger all in reality. Loosely based on what might be deemed 'affordable' to an 'average earner' or 'average household income' in an area. In practice it means many people on lower incomes are still excluded from being able to rent a property in particular areas where there is a massive housing shortage, such as Tower Hamlets, cos the 'average' income is relatively quite high.
In other words, it's bollocks.
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but thats the point, housing is well over priced, just tp pay the mortgage, and the percieved value of where you live,open up the brown field sites,job creation schemes,retraining, and build basic homes,well insulated,and limited parking, and youre on a win win circuit.
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Don't think you find any mug to build social housing
The returns will be very low and to the cost of borrowing to build and wages etc
Plus the cost cost of repairs to council accommodation is very high and on a constant
repair due to classy tenants.
Suppose thats why you only get part rent part buy.
But excludes the poorest type of council tenant.Posted 7 months ago # -
Effin Developers do have to include a percentage but only in large developments.
This came to light when Chafford Hundred small town near Lakeside in Essex
it was built But with only property for buyers with no social housing includedPosted 7 months ago # -
housing is well over priced
Well unless you're a Marxist project (Karl Marx had a very different theory of "value") the correct value/price is simply what people are prepared to pay. And when there is a shortage and high demand, the price is very high.......but correct.
So unless you're arguing for the overthrow of capitalism, then housing is not well over priced. It is realistically priced.
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tbh project i cant keep up with your shifting argument or your fantasy version of reality.
Again they could have done all this anytime in the last 60 years and did not. In fact we needed to legisalte to get them to do anything and even then it was not social housing [ cheers for the clarification elf] Why you think they will despite these explanations is lost on me.Posted 7 months ago # -
hmm, I wonder how all the employed millions of people on minimum wage or just above could afford "affordable housing". Cos they're not working their nuts off are they? for what? to scrape by till next payday.
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Plus the cost cost of repairs to council accommodation is very high and on a constant
repair due to classy tenants.Through my involvment with the local HA and through converstaions with local tenants, this is actually due to poor standard of materials and workmanship, and in fact a lack of basic regular maintenance by the HA and private landlords. Mine in particular is crap; I've fixed loads of things he or his cowboys screwed up, since I moved in. S'ok, I just charge him the going market rate for carrying out repairs.
And cos local authorities scrapped maintenance depts in favour of using private contractors (back in the Thatcher years), the standard of repair has dropped significantly, as LAs are forced to use the cheapest contractors they can get, who are very often unconscientious shysters who bodge things so badly they need sorting again very soon.
Things improved somewhat with the influx of East Yerpeans who mostly do a decent job for very reasonable rates, but most of them seemed to have buggered off again, sadly, leaving us with greedy Bodgit and Leggit traders who shoon't be left in charge of a teaspoon, let alone power tools...
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Maybe your all getting sucked in so developers will start to build on the Country side.
Think we should be able to buy run down/vacant housing if we see it vacant and buy
at a reasonable cost.Posted 7 months ago # -
Personally, I think we need a lot more 'DIY' build schemes, where people have a hand in the construction of their own homes which they can then actually afford to buy, but even this is fraught with difficulty, as it limits the involvement someone in full time work or with any physical problems can have in the construction.
And I doubt there's much profit, if any, in such schemes....
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Elfinsafety - Member
Plus the cost cost of repairs to council accommodation is very high and on a constant
repair due to classy tenants.And cos local authorities scrapped maintenance depts in favour of using private contractors (back in the Thatcher years), the standard of repair has dropped significantly, as LAs are forced to use the cheapest contractors they can get, who are very often unconscientious shysters who bodge things so badly they need sorting again very soon.
Things improved somewhat with the influx of FOREIGNERS TAKING OUR JOBS who mostly do a decent job for very reasonable rates, but most of them seemed to have buggered off again, sadly, leaving us with greedy Bodgit and Leggit MANAGEMENT who shoon't be left in charge of a teaspoon, let alone PUBLIC HOUSING...
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There fixed it for you........
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bloody foreigners etc....
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Effin I've lived in Tower Hamlets for 27 years and the councils have did very little repairs
In Bromley By Bow where I lived and through to the Area where you are in Poplar as
I was at Langdon Park School.
in which very little repairs to the area has lead to what you are seeing including in the council
buildings you are in.The poor workmanship in your place is more likely from ex council tenants whom
never had the money to do them to a craftsmanship levelRegarding HA are you talking about HARCA though's that robbed moneys off of ex council
tenants whom had bought there council properties and charge them over the odd prices
for works carried out on council properties.
Reason I say the above my parents had hell with constant charges from HARCA
in there ex council place on Patrick Connelly Gdns left of Bromley By Bow station.Posted 7 months ago # -
Through my involvment with the local HA and through converstaions with local tenants, this is actually due to poor standard of materials and workmanship, and in fact a lack of basic regular maintenance by the HA and private landlords.
I'm sure our good friend TJ might wish to take the opportunity to interject with his feelings on Local Authorities ability to intervene in standard of materials and repair of private buildings
Posted 7 months ago # -
I'm sure our good friend TJ might wish to take the opportunity to interject with his feelings on Local Authorities ability to intervene in standard of materials and repair of private buildings
The opinion of a medical professional would indeed matter in this instance.
So, in summary -
For the Leftie mob, even in the Conservative party bent to their every whim, they are not "OK after all"
For everyone else, they might be, dependent on the policy in question.So, that's that then.
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For everyone else, they might be, dependent on the policy in question.
Really Flashheart ? ........your support for the Tory Party is solely "dependant on the policy in question" ? How terribly fair and open-minded of you. I'm staggeringly surprised to hear you say that.
So anyway Flashheart, enlighten us further and list all the Tory policies which you are opposed to.
And you could make the whole experience even more enlightening by also listing all the Labour Party policies which you like and support..........you great big hunk of open-mindedness.
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I would bin Trident. That's libdem not labour, but never going to be Tory policy. Over to you, give us a Tory policy you support.
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The poor workmanship in your place is more likely from ex council tenants whom
never had the money to do them to a craftsmanship levelYeah there's a few places like that, but the general standard of workmanship in places that have bin done up more recently, new kitchens, double glazing etc is piss poor. IME the standard of work in council places used to be a lot better before the maintenance was contracted out.
The poor standard of workmanship in my place is cos my landlord (who's never lived here, just bought to let) did the cheapest, shoddiest job possible, and employed clueless cowboys to do stuff. Still, means I can sometimes get a couple of hundred quid knocked off me month's rent when I have to 'fix' something.
Regarding HA are you talking about HARCA though's that robbed moneys off of ex council
tenants whom had bought there council properties and charge them over the odd prices
for works carried out on council properties.This is what happens when social housing falls out of LA control. HAs like HARCA are mainly rubbish. Loads of cosmetic stuff like painting outside buildings, doing up flower beds etc, but little else, and too much corruption and backhanders going on.
Anyone buying ex-council in an area like this, speshly if it's run by a HA, is mad imo. My LL's already in negative equity with this place, and his mortgage is massive. Oh well. Not my problem, it's the private sector, it'll have to sort itself out...
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