http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic en-US Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:53:37 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313682 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:03:59 +0000 compositepro 313682@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>There are some funny things happen that are beyond the designers control bad heat treat? bad alloy constituents.. wrong welding rod.let CY get to the bottom of it before the firing squad line up!!!!! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313631 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:36:40 +0000 juan 313631@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>well that is because of your riding style ton you ride like shite <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> <br /> never snap anything, I have ding a rear rim once. Oh and I usually use the pedal to the very end <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> <p>As said everything break. I have seen one guy on here that have bent a HJ. I trash mine as much as I can even doing what people on here would call hard core XC going down small small step (1-1.2m high)and guess what, mine hasn't break yet...</p> <p>So as said shite happen. Bike are getting more and more technical, they need more and more attention to be able to work correctly so if you forget to check something and get some play in the bike failure like that can happen....<br /> There is no such thing as "secret" in the bike industry. If a bike is too light it will break... If you cant ride or dont take care of your bike it will break too.</p> <p>If you want a risk free life stop biking and start doing like SFB, pootling around big puddle to take some pictures of girls' asses.</p> <p>*** Note that mistere don't have some valid points </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313558 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:10:32 +0000 kennyp 313558@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I tried a Hemlock at the recent Glentress demo day and loved it. There's a fair chance it'll be my next bike. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313529 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:57:45 +0000 ton 313529@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>mugboo, nail/head<br /> think of all the bikes being ridden in the uk.....<br /> shyte happens, but not very often.<br /> tho i did once snap a orange sub zero.....pile of crap <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313520 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:53:39 +0000 Mugboo 313520@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>One or two Singletraction boys have snapped 5 spots as well, but most people haven't. Most people won't snap a Hemlock but if they do it'll be sorted.</p> <p>I know a bloke who had to replace a gearbox in a month old VW Golf but i'd still buy one of them.. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313443 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:33:50 +0000 shortbread_fanylion 313443@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Mistere - you're a cynic. And you'd better avoid Ellsworth's.....not that I'm bitter at all.... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313368 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:09:47 +0000 Mistere 313368@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>LOving my Hemlock and if it goes wrong i'll trust Cy to put it right. </blockquote><br /> <blockquote>...loving my hemlock, but I am a tad worried that the fecker will snap when I'm somewhere in the middle of nowhere! </blockquote></p> <p>Am I the only one who is slightly shocked by this view? As if a frame snapping, never mind at such a critical place, is 'no big deal' and just a matter of getting it replaced with the worst case scenario being a glum walk home?</p> <p>What happens if someone breaks one doing a 6ft drop for example? It's not as if these frames aren't going to be used for such riding, someone above mentioned using one for DH.<br /> Worse case scenario suddenly becomes smashed ankles or a broken back.</p> <p><blockquote>I do like the way the desginer has come on and explained about his product which would give me the confidence to buy one.</blockquote><br /> Really?! Call me a cynic (because I probably am rather cynical at the best of times) but it doesn't take much for a designer to give a few excuses in technobabble about why it <em>shouldn't</em> have broken, yet the fact still stands: it did. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313366 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:09:00 +0000 Rickos 313366@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>On my way home tonight I came down a long steep road section so pulled the rear brake and looked at the stay for a wee while. And guess what? Solid as a rock, no bowing at all so I don't really know what BikeDoodar are on about. And as for snappage, Cy is a lot bigger than me and prolly rides a damn site harder and faster too and that's good enough for me.</p> <p>Suffice to say I love my Hemlock. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313331 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:56:46 +0000 rob2 313331@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Agree with Mugboo, loving my hemlock, but I am a tad worried that the fecker will snap when I'm somewhere in the middle of nowhere! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-313323 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:52:31 +0000 Mugboo 313323@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>LOving my Hemlock and if it goes wrong i'll trust Cy to put it right. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-312536 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:05:01 +0000 benjag 312536@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Cy, go for the external butted chainstays, I'll need a Hemlock even more then. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-312054 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:52:38 +0000 bigyinn 312054@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Far too reasonable Hora?</p> <p>Wheres the wild conjecture and promises to wee in the welders shoes after owning him with some bombers? This sort of agreeable chit chat really isn't on here is it?<br /> STW has a reputation to uphold you know. It not just yourself you're letting down here! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_mrgreen.gif" title=":mrgreen:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-311606 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:00:52 +0000 higgo 311606@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote><strong>hora</strong>said ...I don't want to say too much on it... It would be disingenuous/unfair to enter a dialogue and publish it in a public medium at the sametime.</blockquote></p> <p>Let's hope this kind of responsible attitude doesn't catch on round these parts! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-311382 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:58:42 +0000 hora 311382@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I dont want to say too much on it (I crashed twice on the ti456- over the bars) but none on the summer season. It would be disingenuous/unfair to enter a dialogue and publish it in a public medium at the sametime. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-311259 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:23:46 +0000 duckman 311259@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>New Hemlock arrives May/June. Angus council come into Cyclesheme May/June. The eternal ying and yang continues, bringing together the salary sacrifice and the shiny new kit (catches fly with chopsticks while sitting in the lotus position) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-311251 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:21:56 +0000 ahwiles 311251@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>my best guess on the 18bikes/Deejay Hemlock snappage would be loose pinch bolts?</p> <p>(chainstays are under tension, if those bolts come loose it would allow a spreading load on the 'eye')</p> <p>i'll keep an eye on mine... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-311228 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:15:26 +0000 ChrisS 311228@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Be interesting to see what On-One say about it I guess..... I assume they'll send you a nice shiny new replacement given how little it's been used? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-311215 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:12:32 +0000 higgo 311215@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote><strong>hora</strong> said... I found a crack on my 456 Summer season yesterday </blockquote></p> <p>Did you get a Summer season out of it?<br /> And a Winter and a good part of Spring? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-311131 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:44:47 +0000 hora 311131@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Where the seat stay meets the seat tube- seems to start thinly (you wouldnt even notice it on its own) along the weld then 'pangs' out for about 5mm. Its in an odd-place however these things do happen from time to time I guess. After all its a mtb product that is shaken constantly/stressed etc- A manufacturer shouldnt get grief/pointed at etc. Kinda compounds what I said/felt yesterday on this thread even more now. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-311112 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:40:02 +0000 ChrisS 311112@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>How the hell did a summer season crack? Got any more info Hora? I thought they were nigh on indestructable.... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-310935 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:21:49 +0000 owenfackrell 310935@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I found a crack on my 456 Summer season yesterday </blockquote><br /> Having had 2 fames do this to me i know how gutting it can feel.</p> <p>I do like the way the desginer has come on and explained about his product which would give me the confidence to buy one. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-310917 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:15:15 +0000 cy 310917@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>My builder has just offered me deep section chainstays on the new swingarms with machined in butting like the old Pace frames for hardly any upcharge. How cool would that look?!! Very tempted..... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-310892 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:01:26 +0000 hora 310892@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I've never broken a frame before. Cy, throw my name into the test pool. I found a crack on my 456 Summer season yesterday <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_sad.gif" title=":(" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309556 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:53:15 +0000 DeeJay 309556@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I'm glad you were enjoying it up to that point. </blockquote></p> <p>I really was and would be very happy to try a new one when they appear - mind you 18Bikes might not let me <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309511 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:42:26 +0000 rs 309511@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Is that what they call a virtual pivot floating suspension design <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309497 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:37:03 +0000 cy 309497@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Yes, they've been in touch about that one. We're not sure what happened there, and I'm still looking into it. The next lot coming over in June won't have that design anyway, but I'm still concerned and I'll admit a little puzzled. Since we sorted the spacers out we've not had any trouble, I ride one all the time without problem and it really isn't like they're dropping to bits left, right and centre. It's even passed it's lab tests, so I'm still trying to figure out why that did what it did. </p> <p>I'm glad you were enjoying it up to that point. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309477 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:31:11 +0000 DeeJay 309477@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Cy</p> <p>Have 18Bikes been in touch with you about their demo bike? I had it last Friday and was really enjoying it. Climbed most of Jacobs Ladder without a problem, came down the other side really well - felt spot on - excellent on the twisty single track and way lighter than I was expecting. I was working out in my head how to spec it when . . . . </p> <p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3616/3451353764_4281d06e38.jpg?v=0"></p> <p>The washers were fitted. As you can see from the shock the travel was no where near used up. </p> <p>Oh and Ton was NOT allowed on it </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309421 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:06:10 +0000 hora 309421@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Bikeradars (numerous) reviews on the Meta 5 draw your attention numerous times to its flexy rear end (one occassion loosening the QR), especially on a group test where they said the Giant (Reign?) was superior technically (and all round) yet the Meta won for its woop/grin-factory. WTF? </p> <p>They pointed out themselves that the meta had a flex problem and (to me) the shoot-out was worded/weighed firmly in the Reigns favour. It was actually that review that stopped me buying a Meta 5. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309409 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:01:29 +0000 ahwiles 309409@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i've had my Hemlock for 2 months and i love it. i haven't bent or broken it, and haven't found flex to be an issue.</p> <p>the way i see it, it's a sturdy, light bike, with Dh friendly angles. it allows me to ride technical xc trails, without fearing for my life/face/teeth when i point it down something steep.</p> <p>it even goes uphills alright, the top tube is a touch shorter than my old enduro, so i don't fall off the back when i pedal.</p> <p>it's possibly the most fun bike for its weight...<br /> (remember boyles 3rd law: you can break anything with a big enough rock)</p> <p>i hope one day Cy makes a super-sturdy Hemlock, because that would kick ar53 on uk Dh tracks.</p> <p>mind you, if the current frame passed the new euro strength-test, then it's no weakling... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309359 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:43:45 +0000 ton 309359@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i did a 4 foot drop on deejays hemlock loan bike prior to it breaking with his 10 stone frame on it....... <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309357 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:43:27 +0000 Mr Agreeable 309357@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Sod all the studious explanations of why it's a sound design. Where's that picture of Jon jumping one over a fence? <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/3#post-309332 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:31:23 +0000 hora 309332@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I sort of see what Juan means. I dont think it explored the content enough (of course only IMO- everyone has an opinion)- more along each bikes intended use, more on each build etc etc (i.e. depth) as I was- silly I know, confused on how the commencal sat in the range (infact until you dig through their site its pretty confusing)- 666, 6 etc etc. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/2#post-309331 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:31:17 +0000 matt_outandabout 309331@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Other more product-led magazines are available.</blockquote></p> <p>My wife bought me a couple recently. I read them and come away feeling that all they say is 'buy, buy, buy - last years is soooo crap and outdated, you *need* this new one thats en-vogue*</p> <p>I read STW, and generally come away thinking 'ride, ride, ride and oooh, gotta ride there some day and hmm, they are nuts' etc </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/2#post-309325 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:26:09 +0000 matt_outandabout 309325@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>BTW get the Orange. </blockquote></p> <p>I did <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_cool.gif" title="8)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> It is schweeeet </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/2#post-309320 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:21:18 +0000 mt 309320@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Second Higgo's moving pics request! Come fella's this is a good idea. </p> <p>Juan, if you don't buy don't moan about the content. You could be from Yorkshire, put your hand in your long pocket and reach. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/2#post-309317 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:19:16 +0000 Ben_Haworth 309317@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Tests have their place in our mag but it is not the be-all and end-all of the mag. To fit more test pages in the mag would mean losing feature pages elsewhere.</p> <p>Other more product-led magazines are available.</p> <p>BTW get the Orange. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/2#post-309314 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:18:01 +0000 matt_outandabout 309314@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I have a pic in a recent mag (not STW)upstairs, showing a bike on next to a spirit level, clearly having angles checked with a digital measure. Shame they seem to be measuring the head angle using the fork stanchion <img src="http://mlehworld.com/forum/images/smiles/tard.gif"></p> <p>FWIW, I don'r read much into most magazine tests these days. STW seems to be the only one with half an eye on real riding and riding related to wha I ride - the others seem to witter on about the same pet hates/dislikes or blow up a minor point into a big one etc etc</p> <p>I didn't like the flexi Hemlock MK1, but having seen and twisted a few of the new ones, and ridden one as well, I would buy one (heck, it was plan A with short rockers on my insurance replacement rather than the ST4). I would trust Cy's response and support over the journo's, despite the clear failure. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/2#post-309274 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:57:05 +0000 juan 309274@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>Did you read any of the non-test features in the issue you purchased?</blockquote><br /> Well I didn't purchased it in the end. What is the point if what attracted me in the mag (in this case the home page of this very forum where chipp said the test commencal meta4 vs orange ST4 would be in issue XX), is only a couple of pages with very little info inside. 4£ is a price of a proper book. I am ok to pay a mag this price if it interest me in something.</p> <p>If you are a non product driven mag why do you do test then? If you go through the trouble (or not) to do some testing why not do it properly?<br /> I was looking forward to it to be honest as I would quite like the orange, however before buying a flight ticket to test one I would have love to know what people think of it.</p> <p>Is it that daft to ask? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/2#post-309272 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:55:38 +0000 kelvin 309272@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Completely ignore the joke, putting little videos featuring bikes reviewed on the website when the mag hits the newsstands could be a nice idea. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/that-hemlock-review-on-biketragic/page/2#post-309270 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:54:20 +0000 kelvin 309270@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I'd like to know how many hours the bike has been ridden, by whom, where, what did they did with it etc etc...</blockquote></p> <p>Sound like one of those Euromags. Have you seen a German cycling mag? Stats heaven! Yawn. = ;7) </p>