http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards en-US Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:27:54 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1117739 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:55:47 +0000 rootes1 1117739@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>waterproof pants</blockquote>?</p> <p>incontinence pants? <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> well probably easier than going for a pee with bibs on <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1117465 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:48:07 +0000 Crivvens 1117465@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I commute nearly every day and wear merino. It looks good enough to work in and doesn&#39;t stink like synthetics so I don&#39;t have to change. And yes synthetics do stink. The trick is to get the sort of merino gear that isn&#39;t biking-or anything else specific. You just look a dork. <a href="http://www.chocolatefishmerino.co.uk/taranaki/lightmidlayer.html">ChocFish</a> stuff is good for this. Most other stuff either looks like underwear, makes you look like a refugee from the Tour de France, or just looks ratty - I particulary dislike Finisterre - was bought one of their tops for Xmas and it fitted like disease and looked dreary. It went to a charity shop. Depends of course on what sort of job you do, whether it entails having to look smart/presentable cos you&#39;ve got to meet people, or whether you can hide away. My job&#39;s a bit of both so the merino works well.</p> <p>If its chucking it down I just pull on a pair of waterproof pants and I&#39;ve got a waterproof poncho/cape thing I picked up in Holland. Both roll up small and tuck away easily. The only things I change when I get to work are my shoes and socks and for this I keep a pair of each at work.</p> <p>Like thisisnotaspoon says: reflectors everywhere, good quality lights and making sure to keep them clean and check they&#39;re working properly. And yes to mudguards. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1117291 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:04:28 +0000 rootes1 1117291@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>What I&#39;ve neglected to mention is that I&#39;m normally clad in Gore Windstopper softshell tops and troos, the finest material known to man. </blockquote></p> <p>yes that would help! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> - though gore stuff is expensive, their garments really do work well</p> <p>Si </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1117053 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:06:28 +0000 RichPenny 1117053@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>What I&#39;ve neglected to mention is that I&#39;m normally clad in Gore Windstopper softshell tops and troos, the finest material known to man. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1116767 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:57:22 +0000 rootes1 1116767@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>re materials - get a mix helly and ground effect do nice synthetic / merino mixes - best of both worlds </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1116717 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:45:15 +0000 rootes1 1116717@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I ride every day rootes Maybe it&#39;s the Welsh blood in me. </blockquote></p> <p>good man!</p> <p>i only missed three days so far this year as the snow was deeper than my brompton wheels (but did go out on my mountain bike night biking to make up!)</p> <p>winter commuting has its benefits in london as there are less cyclists! though commuter racing tends to be a bit more hardcore as winter commuters also tend to be a bit more hardcore lol</p> <p>si </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1116320 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:53:03 +0000 thisisnotaspoon 1116320@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>SKS chromoplastic mud guards, I never liked mud guards untill I tried the SKS ones. Still not silent, but not too bad. And stops arse/bag/back getting muddy and covered in dog egg.</p> <p>Panniers make life easier, just chuck locks and spares in one side, clothes in the other. Avoids getting a sweaty back.</p> <p>Wear fresh clothes every day, I tried wearing the same t-shirt 2 days in a row, it just smells. Buy up some £10 shell/tracksuits bottoms from socer-world/Decathlon/TKMaxx. Decathlon do synthetic t shirts for about £4 in realy bright colours, great for just about everything, i hardly wear normal t-shirts anymore.</p> <p>Plenty of lights, I use one blackburn mars (stupidly bright) rear light and 2 more normal catey 170&#39;s. Then hook a catey 170 front light onto my shoulder straps. Trick it to make yourself look unusal so drivers will conciossly pay attention to your movements. Reflectors in spokes, pedals, lights on helmet, etc all help. </p> <p>I (try to) do 3 miles each way on a touring bike. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1116075 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:40:02 +0000 RichPenny 1116075@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I ride every day rootes <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> Maybe it&#39;s the Welsh blood in me. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115974 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:34:53 +0000 woffle 1115974@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;ve been cycling to work 4 days a week for the past year or so and in my experience merino wool is far less smelly / smell prone than synthetics (and we&#39;re not talking cheap stuff either). A decent baselayer might take a couple more minutes to dry out over a man-made jersey but at least I&#39;m not going to be smelling of wet-dog afterwards (and part of my commute is by train so it&#39;s anti-social to be too stinky). </p> <p>My commute is also relatively long (between 2 and 4 hours on the bike every day) so wearing my work clothes would just not be practical. I&#39;ve coped with pretty much all weather from the occasionally hot summer to recent subzeros temps with a kit list of a couple of pairs of shoes, t pairs of decent baggy shorts, 1 set of bib tights, 1 set of full-length tights, a gilet, handful of merino baselayers and 5 or 6 cycling jerseys. Layering helps with the cold and to be honest, if you&#39;re riding hard in the rain for longer than 20 minutes even the best waterproof is going to get me sweaty or start leaking from sleeves / neck etc. </p> <p>Lucky enough to have a shower at work too which makes all the difference. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115937 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:50:11 +0000 coolhandluke 1115937@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I&#39;m on a Spesh Globe with an 8 speed internal hub (so it looks single speed) and wear my mountain bike cycling gear with a gortex coat, buff and normal lid, shorts with pad thing, 5-10&#39;s etc.</p> <p><img src="http://reviewsaver.co.uk/product-images/original/Specialized-Globe-Elite-2008-Hybrid-Bike-1226307745.jpg"></p> <p>My globe has full mudguards and it looks like an old man&#39;s bike but its great if it rains because only the tip of my to gets wet as water drips off the bottom of the front mud guard. (Must extend it with a sheet of plastic at some point)</p> <p>Generally the rain isn&#39;t ever that bad. Its the spray that will do your head in, so mudguards are the way to go IMO. </p> <p>I use my Hope twin LED lights on the front if it is proper dark but in summer just a normal LED. Flashing red LED on the back.</p> <p>I have spare cloths in work and we have a shower there so I&#39;m well sorted.</p> <p>Shame I&#39;m a bit of a 3 season rider, spring - summer - autumn. I seemed to have not bothered at all this winter. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115936 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:41:02 +0000 juan 1115936@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>jeremy that&#39;s balls, I smell less in my capilene than I do in my merino, why well simply because merino is poo and get soaked whereas the capilene doesn&#39;t.</p> <p>Plus after a day of riding (4 hours for example) my synthetic clothes smell less than my natural fibre gi after 4 hours of matt... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115788 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:25:07 +0000 TandemJeremy 1115788@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>But the truth Nick Hilarious but the truth. Wear natural fibres you smell lwess than if you waer synthetics.</p> <p>Of course washing is best. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115784 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:24:02 +0000 tails 1115784@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.sks-germany.com/sks.php?l=en&amp;a=product&amp;i=6409800121">Are these the ones I&#39;ll need i think it has the mounts</a></p> <p>If they rattle though there will be trouble! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115759 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:15:18 +0000 Nick 1115759@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>synthetics do hold bacteria that make sweat smell - hence &quot;smelly hellys&quot; and others. This is well know and a fact. Just use your nose.</blockquote></p> <p>Newer, better quality garments, ime, and as written in that article you link to, are much much less susceptible.</p> <p>For example</p> <p><blockquote>Fabrics have evolved in the intervening years and now the better garments use a closed knot yarn that reduces the number of microscopic hiding places for sweaty bacteria. &quot;Basically, you get what you pay for,&quot; says Vanderoef, noting that entry level tech garments will use a less highly finished fabric that is more susceptible to odor retention. </blockquote></p> <p>Claiming you&#39;re more likely to need a shower because you wear synthetic fabrics is just, frankly, hilarious. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115674 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:48:26 +0000 juan 1115674@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i did not read everything (I am dying so small letter makes my brain aches) but i got stuck after the 6th people saying I don&#39;t wear cycling kit so I&#39;ll look normal. That is because all your cycling kit is road kit you plonker. If you use modern petrol base technical t-shirt for riding you will still look normal (patagonia capilene spring to mind). Kona prima pants and most of the dainese stuff looks pretty normal too me too. Same goes for patagonia/TNF/marmott trekking trousers. Very cycling friendly but without the &#39;look at me I wish I could foucking compete in the fouckier tour of france&#39;. And this is supposed to be a mtb forum, not a jey hey racing wipper one.</p> <p>So my opinion on this. If you have shower go for cycling kit (whatever you choose to wear) have a shower and a change of clothe. If you can cope with your sweat all day long well do as you wish.</p> <p>And lets face it I have very much doubt most people in copenhagen will commute more than a couple of Kms... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115644 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:40:42 +0000 TandemJeremy 1115644@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>synthetics do hold bacteria that make sweat smell - hence &quot;smelly hellys&quot; and others. This is well know and a fact. Just use your nose.</p> <p>Here is a link to discussion on it. Its all about the structure of the threads. natural fibres reduce teh growth of bacteria.<br /> <a href="http://www.runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=7795&amp;PageNum=&amp;CategoryID=" rel="nofollow">http://www.runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=7795&amp;PageNum=&amp;CategoryID=</a> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115600 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:32:50 +0000 HoratioHufnagel 1115600@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>i cycled to work every day for 2 years in my work clothes. it was only 4 miles each way though. Just went slowly-ish. If it was raining REALLY heavily i&#39;d put some waterpoof trousers on, but it really doesn&#39;t rain as often as you&#39;d think and full mudguards keep most of the muck off. </p> <p>In london i&#39;m sure you get less sweaty cycling than crammed on a busy bus or tube. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115521 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:19:10 +0000 rootes1 1115521@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Richpenny, you must be a fair weather commuter! :-), I have got completely soaked just on short runs from waterloo station to work 2.3 miles and at the other end as well on my Brompton. reminds self to get waterproof cover for Brompton bag so front pocket does not fill up with water lol... Will see how it goes on the full 27miles in from Woking to london on my new road bike <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> (fitted with mudguards by they way) </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115249 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:35:00 +0000 banjowhacker 1115249@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I *hate* getting wet so i wear a nice Event hooded jacket, Goretex cycling overtrousers, Goretex shoes and Sealskins waterproof gloves. Underneath i wear my work clothes and i only get a bit damp if i end up getting silly and Fred-racing someone so that i sweat too much.<br /> I ride about 4 miles each way everyday, all weather. Absolutely agree that full mud guards are a must. I love cycling to work. It wakes me up in the morning and chills me out in the evening. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115148 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:13:28 +0000 RichPenny 1115148@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Perhaps I just like getting wet <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> I do love it when you get that stream of water to the face from the front wheel, like a bonus shower... For a short commute you&#39;d never get uncomfortable. Drying clothes is fairly easy over radiators, or very easy if you have a boiler room with hanging rack installed <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards/page/2#post-1115035 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:51:00 +0000 rootes1 1115035@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Not sure why but the uk really seems to have an aversion to sensible commuting bikes </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1115029 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:49:50 +0000 Nick 1115029@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>It&#39;s an arse at the best of times walking into work dripping wet and covered in shite.</p> <p>Ok if you&#39;re having to faff about swapping bits on and off bikes to make the road/off road friendly, but if you&#39;ve a dedicated commuting bike make it fit for purpose, put mudguards and a rack on it. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1115012 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:46:53 +0000 rootes1 1115012@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Yer getting wet and dirty out on your mountain bike is part of the fun, but at the start or end of a working day it just adds to a long day, so best sort your self out, plus drying clothes at work is a pain and putting wet clothes back on to go home is not fun...... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114996 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:43:30 +0000 RichPenny 1114996@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Nothing wrong with getting wet and dirty, bit of water doesn&#39;t kill you know <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114970 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:37:45 +0000 rootes1 1114970@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Nah mudguards might be old man, but they really do make communting better save getting wet and dirty for mountain biking, </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114886 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:18:21 +0000 RichPenny 1114886@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I-Pod <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> If you&#39;re only doing 5 miles, and changing at work, I wouldn&#39;t bother with mudguards. Embrace your environment... </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114849 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:08:46 +0000 thomthumb 1114849@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I have never worn cycle gear.</blockquote></p> <p>why start now?</p> <p>i cycle similar distance and i do wear cycling kit. i have cycled the distance in jeans but i tend to get sweaty and jeans chafe! </p> <p>essentials:</p> <p>mudguards,<br /> comfortable bag (rucksack better than courier bag ime)<br /> spare clothes at work - the day i wore only jeans, and a baselayer and used a power cable for a belt will never be forgotton at work!!</p> <p>i find that a &#39;commuting outfit&#39; seperate from my other bike kit clothes is helpful as whatever you need will invariably be filthy/ stinking from that night ride where you fell in a puddle and forgot! </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114763 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:48:32 +0000 jonb 1114763@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I commute about the same distance. I wear shirts and ties at work so I get changed when I arrive. Because I get changed I wear cycling stuff to ride in. I have lots of it and unsurprisingly it&#39;s the ideal clothing to cycle in. For most of the year it&#39;s baggies, with varying amounts on top. Normally just cheap T shirts in Summer as they die quickyl because of the frequent washing.</p> <p>If you are going to commute year round then you&#39;ll need proper kit. Shorts were not suitable when the temperature was -5 in January.</p> <p>Try it on a weekend. I think you&#39;ll be too sweaty to do it in work clothes. Full guards are a must. Leave a set of socks in work as your feet will get wet on occasion. Most basic LED lights will do.<br /> Cnosider a high vis jacket or vest. Consider taking a pump, tube and small multi tool in case something breaks. If you are in work clothes this may be a problem as you&#39;ll get dirty. I carry thin nitrile gloves so if I have to do anything my hands don&#39;t end up black.</p> <p>AS above if you don&#39;t want to do cycling clothes then anything will do. Just consider what you will do with it at work - jeans and large coats can be difficult to store in a desk. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114618 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:14:34 +0000 Dibbs 1114618@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>TJ in &quot;utter rubbish&quot; shocker <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif" title=":roll:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114613 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:13:16 +0000 Ogg 1114613@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>You are more likely to need a shower if you wear cycling kit. all that synthetic material holds sweat and bugs and stinks </blockquote></p> <p>What utter rubbish. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114386 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:02:43 +0000 B.A.Nana 1114386@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>I doubt you&#39;ll do 10-12 miles on that for long BANana, will take you ages, no matter how cool you look. </blockquote><br /> I think you&#39;re right, it&#39;s along a canal bank, door to door, the dry run took me nearly 1 hour 45mins. But Yes, I have a back up bike of lighter weight and more gears for when I get bored of the cruiser novelty and want to get there quicker. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114340 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:47:53 +0000 Dibbs 1114340@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I use cycling kit (lycra) for the ride to work (nice showers when I get there)and take another set of kit for the ride home. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114297 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:35:13 +0000 Nick 1114297@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote>You are more likely to need a shower if you wear cycling kit. all that synthetic material holds sweat and bugs and stinks </blockquote></p> <p>Newer stuff doesn&#39;t seem to be affected anywhere near as badly as older synthetics (I have a smelly helly from 15 years ago, body heat really reactivates the odour).</p> <p>Don&#39;t know what you mean about holding sweat though.</p> <p>Cotton&#39;s a disaster, slightest bit of sweat and it&#39;s staying damp for ages. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114228 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:14:42 +0000 TandemJeremy 1114228@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Not nearly as badly as the bugs don&#39;t live in it. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114213 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:11:52 +0000 cynic-al 1114213@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>And cotton never smells at all? </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114207 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:10:29 +0000 TandemJeremy 1114207@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>You are more likely to need a shower if you wear cycling kit. all that synthetic material holds sweat and bugs and stinks </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114169 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:58:19 +0000 Nick 1114169@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Another view... If you&#39;ve got showers at work then use the commute to get fitter, nail it on the way in, have a nice shower, put on nice clean fresh clothes, enjoy the feeling. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114122 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:43:31 +0000 Surfr 1114122@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p><blockquote> You cant just wear normal clothes in these conditions though, you end up getting to work looking like a homeless person.<br /> </blockquote></p> <p><em>Ever been on the rush hour commute in Amsterdam? Amsterdam has pretty much exactly the same weather conditions as most of the UK. </em></p> <p>And exactly not the same terrain as most of the UK. We have these hill things. My short 5 mile commute takes in over 100m of ascent. Show me where I can do that in Amsterdam. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114079 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:27:30 +0000 aP 1114079@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>Yes, my commute is only 5 miles so jeans+T is perfectly OK. Was a bit hard work with the bobyak this morning though. </p> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/commuting-clobberlightsmudguards#post-1114015 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:04:38 +0000 cynic-al 1114015@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <p>I ride to work but it&#39;s only 4.5miles/25m so jeans and tees are fine.</p> <p>Better for pub/shopping/general &quot;looking cool&quot; too <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_cool.gif" title="8-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>