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  • Windows 10; How to stop constant updates
  • Cougar
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    I’m running the latest Windows OS on machines over ten years old. Can your Mac do that?

    Now hush, adults are talking.

    Cougar
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    A little worrying for any business. Let’s hope someone else identifies any issues and ms resolve before you do!

    If you read the article you’ve linked to, you’ll see there’s a “Current Branch for Business” update stream which delays feature updates for four months to give you time to undergo testing.

    retro83
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    Well you’d think, but the interesting thing with Sage is that until recently you had to have *ALL* the Windows updates including the optional ones installed and the machine rebooted before you could use it. Real handy when there’s an update that won’t apply.

    jam-bo
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    my 2007 iMac is running the latest macOS, so nearly. 9 years good enough?

    Del
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    My home laptop is useless on the internet with 10 installed but my work machine on 7 is fine.

    suggests there’s something wrong with your laptop, not windows.

    Cougar
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    Is Sage on some sort of rolling update / cloud service? Surely it can only know about updates released before itself, so once installed any future Windows updates are an irrelevance unless you update Sage itself?

    (The last time I used Sage it was DOS-based…!)

    deadkenny
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    DezB – Member 
    I disabled them on my Win8 PC cos everytime they installed the graphics got screwed up.

    An unfortunate situation of a bad driver in the updates or antique graphics card perhaps that isn’t supported. MS occasionally pushes out drivers that don’t play well, but usually it gets fixed (had one with early release of Win 10 where network would drop on some Dell systems. Fix was install Dell driver. A little later, MS had fixed the driver, all good again). I’d still never disable updates, just work around it and send a support issue to MS and/or your PC or graphics card manufacturer.

    I believe there are ways of blocking specific updates also, plus the very latest manufacturer driver may prevent the Win update version overriding it.

    Greybeard – Member 
    I have no problem with upgrades generally, but I wish they wouldn’t change the interface. The way the Start menu works has changed significantly on the Anniversary Ed, and I’ve had to spend a while trying to explain it to my 90 year old mother and 84 year old MiL – made harder by my PC not having the upgrade yet.

    Problem is it’s done democratically now. They spent a while quizzing insiders on the change, offering several options. I voted against some of it, but they went ahead with what we’ve got now. I quite like the collapsed minimal menu although some will get confused without words there (click the hamburger at the top to see them), but I don’t want the list of all programs being permanently shown. Also what they’ve done in tablet mode for that is rubbish, although it does hide the ‘all programs’ list by default, but when you want it, it fills the display with small icons.

    Still though, some see it as the end of the world. I just see it as evolution, and it’s still functional. These changes also keep it feeling fresh, not stuck in the 90s as with the classic start menu people still cling to.

    kjcc25
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    I changed to Windows 10 about three months ago and really liked it. My rather ancient laptop gained a new a new lease of life. Only problem was my printer wouldn’t work but with a bit of messing about I finally got it going. However since a big update last week my printer will not work. Windows 10 has removed the driver from the laptop and nothing I do will get it working again. the Canon support site says there will be no drivers for my machine and an email from them told me the only solution was to buy a new printer, they have some good offers at the moment I was told!
    Granted my printer is about eight years old but was working just as well as when it was new and I have £30 of new ink cartridges for it. My even more ancient Epson scanner wouldn’t work but Epson had a new driver for it and it is now working fine. Looks like a perfectly good printer is to end up in the recycle bin.

    Cougar
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    Use the driver for a similar printer, it’ll probably work.

    jambalaya
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    I’m running the latest Windows OS on machines over ten years old. Can your Mac do that?

    That’s very unusual for a Windows machine, wasn’t the stat something like 80% of Windows machines are running XP ? Macs are kept far more upto date than Windows, Apple lead the way with annual free OS updates. My 7yr old machine is happily running pretty current software and friends 10yo Mac Book Pro too. I well remember when a Windows version update cost £150 while Mac was £15-20 (both now free) and with Windows you had the risk that the new OS would be really terrible.

    Regular security updates are necessary, they may be a PITA for various reasons but that should be seen as a fact of life.

    Maybe MS need to work on the roll out process and make sure options/settings are preserved (I am a cynic and say those are changed for marketing / commercial reasons) but not updating is crazy

    jambalaya
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    @kjcc yes had a similar experience Win 7 -> 10 with an old scanner. After 2 full days trying to get it to work it was thrown in the bin 😯 We got it to work with a third party piece of software (on free trial) but not with windows software even though it said current drivers where available. We where doing it for free for brother-in-law but the time cost had it been chargable wouod have far outweighed just buying a new piece of hardware. Crime really. 😐

    canopy
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    my 2007 iMac is running the latest macOS, so nearly. 9 years good enough?

    jamb? you’re running OS X Sierra? i thought it was blocked on anything pre-2009? (or maybe you missed its release last week – only know because my manager has an ’07 imac and can’t install it!)

    btw yes i agree updates are essential.

    at home i run two windows 10 machines. 1 is my main desktop. the otehr is a video/media server/download box.

    i run manjaro linux in a VM (virtualbox) on it. with it downloading into a folder on on thee host. media is shared via upnp from the vm (and samba) from the host. first time i’ve really messed with linux for a long time. it does updates every couple weeks. i get to take a vm snapshot before updates “just in case”. update before last stopped the upnp working. but a reboot sorted. not been any hassle so far.

    Cougar
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    That’s very unusual for a Windows machine

    Wrong.

    wasn’t the stat something like 80% of Windows machines are running XP

    Dunno, it’s your stat. Might have been true at some point. “Running XP” and “incapable of running anything else” are two different things though.

    Macs are kept far more upto date than Windows,

    Wrong again. Windows has had monthly updates for the last twenty years, and Windows 10’s model is now one of continual updates rather than releasing new editions. Bit like your annual updates only more frequently.

    My 7yr old machine is happily running pretty current software

    “Pretty current” so not the latest then?

    not updating is crazy

    There are exceptions, but generally I’d agree.

    Cougar
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    wasn’t the stat something like 80% of Windows machines are running XP

    Ah, here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

    Your 80% XP is just a smidge over 6%. That’s pretty close for you. (-:

    ransos
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    is it really that inconvenient?
    ‘install updates and shutdown’, walk away.

    If only! It took an hour to install the updates when I switched my laptop on yesterday.

    leffeboy
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    If only! It took an hour to install the updates when I switched my laptop on yesterday.

    There was a huge update this week for some reason but that is very unusual. But it’s why it’s best to get folks to once a week do a restart over lunch unless you are on a managed release cycle of some sort

    Your 80% XP is just a smidge over 6%. That’s pretty close for you. (-:

    on a roll 🙂

    molgrips
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    It won’t take an hour every time. At least it shouldn’t.

    As said, there was a huge update recently which took multiple restarts to finish – at least two big ones for me.

    Crime really.

    Yes, but in other ways unavoidable. Most of Windows’ negative reputation comes from their original attempts to make the new OSes backwardly compatible which caused it to be unreliable and shite. Remember Windows 98?

    You could equally blame the scanner manufacturer for not producing up-to-date drivers.

    oldtalent
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    Win10 updates are a damn nuisance, my laptop always seemed to be updating & rebooting at inopportune moments. If you are on wifi, then you can set it to a metered connection, this will stop automatic updates until you choose to install them.

    molgrips
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    Win10 updates are a damn nuisance, my laptop always seemed to be updating & rebooting at inopportune moments.

    It’s been said on the thread that you can turn off the automatic reboots (although I don’t seem to be able to find that setting). You can however schedule it to reboot in the middle of the night too.

    holst
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    Apple lead the way with annual free OS updates.

    According to the OP, Microsoft are besting that with constant free updates.

    squirrelking
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    Never been kicked off to update, you must have not used the right settings when you initially intalled it. The only laptop that took about an hour to update (and even then it probably wasnt that long) is my 10 year old Inspiron 9300 with its weedy x86 processor and paltry 2GB RAM. I’d say if its taking that long on a modern machine there is a hardware fault somewhere.

    Obselescence is a fact of life, the fact that Win10 will run on such ancient hardware at all is remarkable, never mind that it often runs better than its predecessors.

    kjcc25
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    Tried Win 7 driver and quite a few drivers for a variety of printers similar to mine but no luck. Do I stay with Canon or try another make?
    Important that it will do a decent photograph print up to A4.

    raymeridians
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    is it really that inconvenient?
    ‘install updates and shutdown’, walk away.

    Yesterday’s rebooted, paused a long time, and then went with:

    “This app is no longer available” … ” and had deleted one of the programs I use daily. According to the developers the app isn’t incompatible with Window 10 and can safely be reinstalled, but saved data is gone forever.

    It also turned back on a couple of the “send all my browsing history to Microsoft” options.

    And installed a whole load of extra apps I don’t want.

    And uninstalled .Net 3.5 (which was being used by VMWare).

    Might have to be a Mac next time unless Adobe start supporting Photoshop and Premier on Linux. Or just stick with Windows 7.

    molgrips
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    I think MS have a little way to go in managing this continuous updates thing so that it doesn’t piss people off.

    canopy
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    the tueday updates are one thing… its the “big” update thats basically a O/S upgrade which screws things over.. caused us no end of hassle business wise (with out product) due to them either blocking or removing settings.

    deadkenny
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    Win 10 tips –

    Go into Windows Update settings and set active hours which will prevent it from auto restarting on major updates during those hours.

    There is also an option to set a custom restart time if a restart is pending and you want to set it to a specific time.

    For some Windows versions, go to Advanced Options and select “Defer feature updates”. This will defer major updates like the Anniversary Update and let you choose when to install it. You still get security patches on the existing version. This only applies to Pro, Enterprise and Educational versions. Basically corporates and academia where such things may be especially annoying while trying to do work. Though they should really have managed updates on their systems.

    On a wifi network where you don’t want it to be downloading updates, e.g. public network, metered network, limited bandwidth – then set your network to ‘metered’.

    If you have a desktop, stick it in sleep* rather than shutdown. This will allow it to do updates at a time when you’re not using it.

    * Win 10 uses a hybrid sleep mode (as 8.1 does) which hibernates the core OS and sticks the PC in sleep mode which most modern PCs will power down everything to bare minimum and essentially appears to be off, but it can wake itself to do updates. It also makes it virtually an instant on.

    oink1
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    Cougar – Moderator
    I’m running the latest Windows OS on machines over ten years old. Can your Mac do that?

    Now hush, adults are talking.

    Haha!! 😆

    mans
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    Can any one identify the symbol circled in the executable.

    I can only find C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost

    Cougar
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    Svchost is a “wrapper” for other services. rather than a service in itself.

    What you need to do there is leave it alone.

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