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Step 1 of selling a complete bike: [b]Take lots of good photos from different angles, [i]with a good camera.[/i][/b]
You're asking someone to shell out £1000 of their hard earned British pounds - invest a bit more time in your advert ffs.
That's a very odd looking thing.
What a wondrous and rare thing. A thread where everyone is in pretty much in agreement with everyone else. Except the OP.
Mostly Balanced - MemberWhat a wondrous and rare thing. A thread where everyone is in pretty much in agreement with everyone else. Except the OP.
Not rare at all, just look up every Molgrips car thread ever!
Seriously OP
Split it and move on.
I've never understood why anyone tries to sell complete bikes on here
*scuttles off to wikipedia to create the "Molgrips car paradox" entry*
Forks look weird. Bar ends are a personal thing, take them off. Get a matching seatpost. Too many spacers. Remove that big ring, looks stupid. Clean the tyres. Change the pedals for something that matches (massive flats on a ss?) or just take them off.
Or... sell the frame, forks and brakes and stick the rest in the bits box.
If all else fails, try eBay!
:edit: ...eh, oh, you have 😐
Split it
Whether it was or not it [i]looks[/i] like a parts bin bike, very quirky limited appeal and if people don't like it they won't buy it, arguing with them won't change that.
Unless the big ring is integral to the cranks (ala shimano circa '98) spend two quid on some short chainring bolts and dump the big ring, will make your bike look better straight away. If you want to maximise your profitssssss you need to split it.
I've never understood why anyone tries to sell complete bikes on here
I think because they purchase bits on offer and then think in building it they are adding value and want to sell the complete bike on for more than they paid for it. Quoting RRPs to backup what a complete 'bargin' the bike is.
Chill Winston.
Spidey left the thread on page 1, I think he got the message.
Not rare at all, just look up every Molgrips [s]car[/s] thread ever!
FTFY 🙂
Ad says "has a spec to die for", not wrong there, I've come over all suicidal after looking at it!
You asked why it's not selling and people have told you. There's no point arguing with them?
i did this very same thing a few years ago...bike then had cost me well over 2.5k and i put it up for sale for 750 and got no takers....eventually had to cut my osses and sold it for 425 on ebay...
if you ask for advice, accept what people are saying about why it isnt selling...you know how much it cost you and i accept your are trying to recoup as much of that initial outlay as possible but you have also look at it from the buyers perspective of do i like that and if so how much would i be willing to buy it for...there seems to be a big discrepancy between yours and the potential buyers expectations..
I think he got the message.
I really don't think he did... the message may have been repeated lots, but he clearly didn't take any notice of it.
I must ask my mate how much this one cost the other month, built by a human not the Mister Men.
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Before the OP came along I had a saying...'you never see a bad Curtis'
Listing RRP isn't going to help either, it may make you look greedy as many people rarely pay anywhere near this, so may think you're selling it at the price you paid.
This has probably already been said, but:
Forks are wrong for a skinny steel frame.
double crankset on a SS is just daft
Tyres are dirty.
Bar-ends. Really?
With the layback post, short forks, bar-ends and presumably narrow straight bars, it looks straight out of the '90s, therefore it looks 20 years old even if it isn't.
No good saying the spec is to die for if its not listed.
Match the stem and seatpost colour for continuity and put some more photos up which maybe don't highlight the shape of those forks.
Or, split it and sell the components separately, you'll get more money in total.
...it's getting plenty of interest now. Good luck with the sale!
Have just shown the pics to a work colleague..his response invilved lots of laughter and expletives and was basically along the lines of "it looks the bastard offspring of Stephen hawking and peewee herman, following a heavy night on pcp"...I think it would be fair to say he is a roadie, but even so....split it for the love of the baby jesus or at least sell it with a complimentary paper bag for the head of the poor schmoo riding it to hide their shame
This or a brand new Salsa El Mar? Hmm.
I reckon you could sell the fork and chainset and with the proceeds buy a proper singlespeed chainset and something like a set of Exotic Carbon forks. The spec would be lowered, but it would be a better bike.
That chainset might as well be a pantographed Eddy Merckx Campagnolo Super record chainset, lovely but who buys one for a singlespeed.
Spidey left the thread on page 1, I think he got the message.
Well, appears the message was:
"The reason why it didn't sell is you need to leave it to age another 3 months, and sell it for another £150."
Apart from everything everyone else has said, the only thing I have to add...
I tried selling my complete £4k carbon S-Works Enduro for £950 on here and got no interest.
I took it down and did something else with it.
Pass the eye bleach...
Before the OP came along I had a saying...'you never see a bad Curtis'
Mine looked beautiful in raw steel, just rode like a brick. 😥
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I tried selling my complete £4k carbon S-Works Enduro for £950 on here and got no interest.
What size?
What size?
Large
Not for sale now though - whacked some Vengeance forks on it, a new shock, stem and bars and it rides like a new bike, way better than it was before.
Ha! Probably a good job I didn't see it - I would have been tempted... 🙂
Now advertised as parts for even more money.
I'm sure that Frame was one of the crc chesp ones?
Holy cow!
Those prices would be steep if it was brand new in a sale from CRC.
£250 for a set of used K force cranks?!
I'd reckon £100, if and only if the rings are in good nic, I.e. the chains have had less than 1 stretch ratio.
£250 for XTR *race* brakes
More like £180
£500 for a used steel frame?
I am out.
And the used carbon forks for £190? The last pair of NEW full carbon rigid forks cost me £60 delivered.
Nobody want to buy your used parts for double what they are worth.
GB
Lads, its Christmas! Show some spirit.
Can't sell my bike either, afraid to ask for advice:)
Massively overpriced.
As mentioned before liat it on eBay and you'd get a true value.
Its been on eBay twice now at £1200 then relisted at £1300 with no takers.
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=111232581965
For me its a poor choice of components all put together on one bike so the end result is less than the sum of its components, plus he's asking to much.
I'd say the OP has twin options either split it and put it all on eBay separately with no reserve and hope people bid well on each item or,
Rebuild it with more better suited components and try again at a more realistic price.
As I said on page 2, mine was built with slightly inferior but much better suited parts and I got no interest at £500. Glad it didn't as I decided to keep and its one of the best bikes I've ever owned...
Massively overpriced (still). Worth half of what he's asking if he's lucky...
Haven't read the whole thread, but did anyone mention that it might be a bit overpriced?
Just a thought...
I love the approach of putting up the price every time it fails to sell. "Must have just put people off with the low price, they probably thought there must be something wrong with it..." I've had my Herb DH for sale for about 6 months now, I'm in no rush to sell so I've kept the price high-ish but reasonable-ish, someone'll buy it... But if I'd followed this approach, it'd cost a million quid by now.
Because it's hideous. And not worth the money.
Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it... Not what you expect someone to pay for it.
As said it's very mismatched. And as parts you really are taking the piddle a little... But, you will disagree, because "it cost you £x, so it's worth £xx".
Nobody want to buy your used parts for double what they are worth.
Because it's hideous. And not worth the money.
😀
Sell it on Pinkbike. That way you'll get your asking price plus and paintball gun, an RC car and some old PS3 games... it's even better than you could have ever hoped for... well you will until the kiddies stop messing you around and pull out 😉
Or put it on Gumtree and a Nigerian businessman will accidentally send you a cheque for £1,000,000 and ask for a refund of £999,999...
Shows what a bunch of taunts you folk are at times, it has NOT been used, so do not tell me what's is NEW and what is not ta!
Chap asking, seems to me you would hate it along with others if anyone dare say anything on your for sale threads which we've all had to endure Time and time again.
Utterly pointless this forum most of time, I come on here to get away from stuff, not to be met with bull shine from strangers who don't ride enough but love to come on here instead 🙄
Why isn't there a ****er smiley on the smiley list 
To the OP, you just need to look here for your smileys.........
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Spidey
a few people are taking the mick a bit, but you are ignoring the fact that you asked why your bike isnt selling, and it seems to be that EVERYONE thinks that you have MASSIVELY overpriced it. you want top money for something that isnt new.
and seeing as you complain about the users on here and then go onto the thread about "which fs should i get" and then have no positive input i dont think backs up your complaint about the way you think you have been treated on here
For new pricing, you need to be a shop with a returns/warranty service.
New unused parts are worth 75% of what you paid, RRP is meaningless.
Anything used but great condition is worth 50% of "what you paid"
Anything used and a bit worn is worth 30%.
Add it all up and see what it comes to.
Has it sold yet? I am guessing no but some people have offered below asking price offers? If so read into that what you like as you seem incapable of actually listening to some constructive feedback.
I recall you did start this debate by asking everyone why your bike hasn't sold and yet rather than listening to people you are rebuking them when they offer reasons as to why.
Good luck in your quest to sell but a bit overpriced
Shows what a bunch of taunts you folk are at times, it has NOT been used, so do not tell me what's is NEW and what is not ta!
Are the parts still in their packaging? NO
Are the parts spotless and unmarked by tools? NO
Has the built up bike been ridden? [s]NO[/s] YES
It's NOT new, it's used whatever way you look at it.
You might want to ask them to cut your meds since you've only ridden it once since coming out of ICU......
strangers who don't ride enough
A bit rich from a guy who's had a bike for 3 months without riding it...
Is this still for sale?
Why areyou selling it? SS that are pricey tend to look nice and light. Plus I still remember the CRC clear out.
Can you produce a receipt?
It seems to me that you've taken the time and spent the money putting together a bike that YOU want. That's great and it's produced a very personal bike.
This iusnfine if you keep it but if you have a change of heart you end up with something that appeals less to the majority.
You are therefore faced with having to recoup less than you want/need.
Quoting rrp is pointless as the first thing a classifieds buyer will do is compare your not quite new and unwarrantied parts with the mail order outlets.
If you want to sell you'll need to set your prices based on the mail order competition and not what you may have paid.
Some good pictures of the parts with full descriptions will also help as at the end of the day you're selling something and need to entice people in.
It's not new.. It's all on a bike that you built. There for making them used. Not new... It's really not hard logic to understand what everyone has told you surely?
Your "RRP / This is worth" crap is a waste of time.
That bike is only worth what someone will part cash with.
For instance, to me, that bike is worth no more than £100. That's me personally. But that is because, I don't like it (visually) and I don't really want another SS... So that's all I would pay for it. Someone else might like the look, and want a SS so might say they would give you £500.
See what I'm getting at?
I think it is overpriced.
I like Curtis as a brand and the bikes it produces, but for me those forks and Bar ends are plain wrong. Those forks look like they should be on a road bike and bar ends look like they belong in last century. Those tyres make it look used and old.
In terms of pricing - I'd look around and see what the cheapest I could get the parts for currently and base it on about 60-75% of that.
Good luck selling it. Personally I'd keep the bike and sell something else - perhaps you kids or car - if you need to raise some capital. The market dictates the price not the seller.
B
I like it, email me if it's still for sale
I'd probably pay a grand for a build like this
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Where everything looks 'right'.
Had a look on Google and a frame the same as spideys albeit in a smaller size sold for £449 so as said previously break it down and sell individually for the best return.
For example the forks look gopping on that build but built up on a Carbon frame with integrated headset would probably look just right.
OP I don't think anyone is trying to taunt you.
You asked for an opinion and got (a lot of) responses... Just because you didn't get the response you want no need to throw your toys out of your pram.
It's a nice frame that will sell on its own but as mentioned the build itself is obscure. Put it on ebay with a reserve if it sells great if not it only cost a few quid to list.
Chap asking, seems to me you would hate it along with others if anyone dare say anything on your for sale threads which we've all had to endure Time and time again.
I've just sold one of my frames, by dropping the price to a realistic level.
😉
I hereby give you exclusive permission to comment on any of my adverts you wish though.
PS. You should feel honoured that your thread has taken on a new life from its original purpose and become an STW classic, like that headset one.
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That double chainset on a S/S basically says you are too lazy to take of a chainring and change the bolts. And it looks horrible.
Same with the dirty tyres, too lazy to clean the bike before selling it.
Same with the advert, comes across lazy.
And the build is lazy and mismatched all round.
If you are too lazy to do all that, how lazy were you with the rest of the build that we can't see? Did you hammer the CK headset in? Did you cut the steerer with a blunt woodsaw and no guide? Did you use new washers / olives when you shortened the brake hoses?
IMHO you can loose 50% of the street price of the part just by opening the packaging and screwing it to a bike. Bikes and bike parts depreciate really quickly, quicker than cars, quicker than almost anything.
Also, wheel size is not the most current anymore, like it or lump it. Bar ends don't help the bike look, although I am with you and use them on a practical bike, I'd take em off for a sales photo.
Throwing a strop because this is pointed out numerous times is not worth it. Opinion asked -> opinion given.
A brilliant read. Take the advice and move on.
A quick analogy: if i spent £2700 on a meal with all my favourite ingredients, cooked the way i like, I wouldn't have the cheek to charge you £1000 for the dirty great steamer that refuses to flush the next morning. That doesn't mean i didn't enjoy the meal, just that it wasn't an investment and you probably wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. I have strange tastes, you see?
Take or leave the advice, but you should know that if you throw teddies around in here expect some stones to come back!
I hope you recoup what you can.
Kev
What would STW pay assuming you actually wanted to buy the parts? In the spirit of Christmas and all that can we get a STW consensus on prices? 😀
Frame, CK headset, Salsa seat clamp & Surly chain tugs sell together for £500 postedForks - £190 posted
Wheels to include SS kit & tyres - £150 posted
Brakes - £240 posted
Chainset - £250 posted
Frame £300-£350 absolute max for me. It is unique and interesting but not worth more than some of the other steel offering you could buy new. £350 buys a big name used full sus frame secondhand too. I still feel that is a generous price though 😕
Forks £120. Kind of cool but the same forks can be purchased from other manufacturers new for comparable prices, they aren't all that light in reality and there's so many good value rigid forks out there at the moment.
Wheels.. maybe £120. Not too overpriced but XT hubs and old generations rims don't excite me too much.
Brakes £150 at most. Seeing as I bought a full XTR set new for £240 (£300 currently on Merlin before other discounts) and R1's can be had new for £250-280 there's no way the asking price is attractive.
Chainset £140 max. It feels a generous price but probably fair to the seller. Again, I bought the same chainset for £150 on CRC so the asking price is ambitious. At the moment there a display one on CRC for £180 (albeit no BB). Whichever way you look at is £250 is very ambitious.
Am I generous or stingy compared to everyone else? 😀
You've actually managed something absolutely unique with that build. And it's quite an achievement!!Previously, all the Curtis frames posted up on here have been beautiful looking things. Works of art in some cases!
That thing, however, is gopping!
That thing, however, is gopping!
It might actually be improved by some old steel on-one forks, at least they'd fit with the 'look'. Thompson stem and post and it wouldn't look half bad.
I spent almost as much as you claim on my Pitch which I'm half-arsedly (not) selling for £1100. So how i managed to get a FS bike, lyrics, reverb, gears, and all that jazz for what you managed to spend on a rigid FS I've no idea, my SS has more nice bits on it than that and its worth £500 at most! I got it for £550 when the original owner took it for a ride and decided he didn't like it having spent over a grand on it, so he'd lost a much in one ride as I'll ever lose if I gave it away! That's how much bikes depreciate when 'new'.
TBH I think what the OP was attempting was what is known in the housing market as "flipping" Buying low and either relying on a buoyant market to bump the value up for free, or fixing up the property, a coat of magnolia and a new hob, hoping for a leap in value when a nicely finished property returns to the market... not sure how common this is these days since the arse fell out of flogging houses.
Of course this is bicycle so I don't think the same [s]scam[/s] marketing techniques will work.
Very few people in your target market are likely to be unaware of the rough value of the bike you are presenting for sale and most can operate Google quite deftly to get a better fix on its monetary value.
I actually never had any want to sell but a motorcycle accident has initiated the fact that this is and will go unused by myself.
Am sick of all negative comments, for those who preach and go onto someone's for sale thread or other threads to then slate the item is an all time low.
I don't post comments like that so don't expect them.
It's also xmas ffs.
It's about trying to help. Like you asked for.
When you can get [url= http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/fsa-k-force-light-386-10sp-double-crankset/rp-prod90244 ]this[/url] for £202.49, new and unused and unfitted and warrantied, you are asking too much.
Merry Xmas!
don't post comments like that so don't expect them.
Sorry to hear youve had an accident, healing vibes, but there is a fairly hefty consensus about your bike and your pricing. Don't ask a question if you are not prepared for the answer. Simples.
If you didn't want feedback why ask your question?
If you did a poll of all the responses I recon 80% are telling you it is overpriced. Are you incapable of listening as you are still defending the build and price?
Slating your item is an all time low? You must live a cherished life mate.
As a few folk have already mentioned, very politely in my opinion, your stuff is over priced and thats all. No need to get stressed about it, chill out and simply re-advertise at 60-70% of your original asking price. If it/they still doesn't/dont sell knock a bit more of until it does.
Best of luck with your sale, may be an idea to stop slating prospective buyers on this thread though 🙄
I actually never had any want to sell but a motorcycle accident has initiated the fact that this is and will go unused by myself.
Which one is it? 😉
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/curtis-s1-bike-1
I really don't want to do this but could do with the money to pay off the overdraft.
It;s Xmas FFS! - 🙂
As it's post Christmas isn't the tradition that unwanted items hit the sale racks. 30% seems the norm for this time of the year.
OP. Let's get a few things straight.
This thread is not your For Sale thread. It's where you came to ask "why is my bike not selling". Plenty of people have offered an opinion, some have taken the piss. This is STW. Expect no less. Advice was offered which you rebuked or argued with from page 1. Just because you love your bike it doesn't mean anyone else has to.
Your for sale threads have been commented on, you may say unfairly, but that goes with the territory of reposting the same things time and again. IT IS NOT SELLING!!!!! Lower the price or put it in the shed and wait for it to become a classic.
You have a VERY niche bike that is not selling. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or so it's said. To say its unusual is being kind. The bike as a whole is not "worth" what you paid for it. Let alone RRP.
This sale of yours is starting to turn in to the sale thread with the Surly and the gopping shoes.
It's irrelevant what you paid when you bought them. What is relevant are the prices they can be bought for now, new, unused and warrantied. I'm fairly sure that was mentioned 1-4 pages back.
This place isn't necessarily the best for benchmarking value. I've had no interest in stuff at £300 that's sold for £450 elsewhere a couple of times.
As for that comment above re:which one is it, check your inbox and if you'd like to meet up, I'll put you straight about it alright
I'm beginning to get a whiff of the troll, because NO ONE is stupid and childish enough to make keyboard warrior threats in a forum in 2013, are they? That's so last decade, right? Or are you getting all meta, arch and ironic and I'm too thick to get it?
Maybe when you grow up you'll look back on this thread and this saga and cringe. Great value reading, though.
I don't want to stir up emotions in any way, but this is quickly becoming the most entertaining thread I've seen in ages. 😀
<pokes the spider>
Fight, fight, fight.......