Thats one of the problems I have with 4 bars, you have to mess with the slow speed compression damping to get them to play nicely.

Have you ever tried a dw-link or maestro link bike? if you haven’t its a real eye opener, as they run shocks with virtual zero low speed compression damping as they don’t need to, and because of that, the traction is unbelievable.

I’ve tried a Trance X with Maestro suspension, it was pretty good, but not as good as the Pitch 🙂

horses for courses isn’t it, if everyone liked the same thing the world would be a very dull place.

Still can’t believe you can get the whole bike for under 1K, so much for global inflation 🙂

Thats one of the problems I have with 4 bars, you have to mess with the slow speed compression damping to get them to play nicely.

Sorry, don’t understand what you mean there. Are you latching onto me saying ‘it does bob a bit’ to get a point across? 🙂
Because it’s not really like that at all. By a ‘bit’ I mena if you look down you can see the rocker moving a tad. If you don’t look down, you don’t notice it really, not even when climbing. It really is minimal.
🙂

Don’t think you can get the whole bike for under a grand any more.

no just stating a fact, the four bar is an active system, which can be controlled via slow speed damping on the shock. To stop it bobbing you increase the slow speed damping, which limits the effectiveness of the shock.

no just stating a fact, the four bar is an active system, which can be controlled via slow speed damping on the shock. To stop it bobbing you increase the slow speed damping, which limits the effectiveness of the shock.

I must remember to consider this the next time I am bombing down a hill on my Pitch.

Although actually, thinking about it, I dunno if I’ll bother riding it any more, you’ve kind of spoilt it for me now – I never realised the shock had limited effectiveness. Perhaps you should let the magazines who reviewed it know as well, cos they never mentioned it.

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upto you, personally I would ride it until the next fad, then buy that and go on the internet and rave about how your latest purchase is the best thing since sliced bread 🙂

As I said (more than once) I’ve never ridden one, and considering its a Spesh I would be very surprised if it didn’t ride really well (well I think I said OK), and at the price I reckon its a pretty much unbeatable deal ride and money wise. However its not exactly news that 4 bars are bobby bastards to ride if you haven’t got a tweaked shock.

so what your tellign me is that 4 bars use some clever shock valving to stop them bobing, where IH, SC etc all rely on chain growth, giving them that unique/infuriating pedaling feel when climbing up rough slopes?

personally I would ride it until the next fad, then buy that and go on the internet and rave about how your latest purchase is the best thing since sliced bread

Ah, so that’s what you’ve done Peter!

Crikey I bet you didn’t expect this when you posted up your lil’ review.
On the other hand…

they all use different ways of getting around it, but it seems to be a split, around clever linkage, which is expensive to make/manufacture Vs clever shock.

I am the first to put my hand up saying I don’t understand exactly how all the different linkages work, however if for example Dave Turner and Scot Nicol with all their collective experience and knowledge are moving away from crippled shocks towards clever linkages, who am I to argue with them.

Hehe – sorry was being somewhat facetious. BTW I’ve had mine for ages well before all the recent 10/10 reviews etc 😛

I don’t know much about suspension designs, but I have tried out quite a few, and this was the one that I liked the best, which is surely the only thing worth worrying about?

However its not exactly news that 4 bars are bobby bastards to ride if you haven’t got a tweaked shock.

I thought so. You’ve seen ‘it bobs a bit’ and translated that into ‘its really bad and bobs a huge amount’ haven’t you, just to get a point over?

Well, you are wong. Totally wong. And I defy ANY suspension system not to bob a bit when the’re legs the size of mine pounding up and down on it! It’s a lot of weight moving about! 😀

And you’ve not ridden one so you’ve no idea, and no referance point to compare it to VPP, Maestro or whatever. It’s all theory. You’re the armchair expert that someone referred to earlier in this thread, aren’t you?

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Ah, so that’s what you’ve done Peter!

Yeah, I sold out (AGAIN!)

Cheap bike = Crap bike
Spesh = Boring

And other blinkered claptrap.
What WAS I thinking?

😉

Last comment, as I feel I might be biting here, and getting beaten with experience

If it suits you, makes you get out and ride and grin like an idiot at the bottom of every descent, then wicked, sounds like the perfect bike.

As for the bobbing comment I have ridden lots of 4 bars (3 spesh’s and 2 Titus’s) but no not the Pitch. Sounds like you are convinced its perfect, and in the end thats all that counts.

No, it’s not prefect. The perfect bike doesn’t exist. Read the OP!
🙂
What my original point was that for the money and the spec, and even after riding it a bit, I wasn’t expecting it to be so good as soon as I pointed it downhill. But I guess that’s the compromise and the choice I made. It’s a downhill biased bike and I’ve not ridden a bike with that slant before…… But now I have? Bring on the Alps and the chairlifts!
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I defy ANY suspension system not to bob a bit when the’re legs the size of mine pounding up and down on it! It’s a lot of weight moving about!

must be that smoooooooooth pedal stroke of yours 😀

he got a good deal on a four-bar that he so obviously – currently favours. it isn’t the holy grail of suspension bikes. he can tell when a fork is **** but he’s not wade simmons. he’s just enamoured with his new bike.

The End.

well i thought he’d missed that and went for the duodenum

Hahahhahahahahahahahahaha!

Sooo funny…

Don’t think you can get the whole bike for under a grand any more.

No you can’t. He He He…
I got the last one at £1050, and its being posted today, woo-chuffin-hoo!!!

I’m so excited I may pop.

Which WILL be messy. 🙂

OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAAAAAAAARSH!
And I know what brand you mean and why you’ve said it as well.
I’ll say again – OOOOOOHHHH!

Yeah it’s great when a company knows there is something wrong with their bikes but can’t be bothered sorting it out, carrying on selling them even though they know it’s an easy fix.

Won’t be getting on one of those types of bikes again.

😉

must be that smoooooooooth pedal stroke of yours

Don’t think so, it’s probably his gargantuan buttocks.

😉

LOL! Maybe Peter and WCA can form a club together… 😀

Can I join?

Depends. How fat is your arse?

The Fat-Arsed Freeriders…

Sometimes I’m astonished at how anal you guys can get!
😀

MrNutt, you’re a bit lardy-bummed; want to joint the FAF? (FAFrs?)

I, sadly, cannot, due to my small-yet-perfectly-formed posterior.

Suitably chunky.

🙂

Mr Nutt. Talking about anal.

Am I the only one that sees the connection there?

Yeah. Thought so.
😉

I, sadly, cannot, due to my small-yet-perfectly-formed posterior.

Nicely balanced by that hideously malfomed anterior
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PMSL! – Who’s been adding tags again?
😀

hideously malfomed anterior

I’ll let that one slide, as you’re obviously suffering some form of mental illness, and serious delusion.

[cough]moose knuckle[/cough]

PeterPoddy – Member

PMSL! – Who’s been adding tags again?
[:D]

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no point in having a large peg if you’ve nowt to knock it in with eh! 😀

LOL!
Gotta eat me dinner now.
See ya laters….

Uurgh. Enjoy yer dinner. I don’t think I’ll be having mine, now… 😕