If Ed Balls, the Miliband Bros., and Gordon Brown still have jobs after the election, I'm moving to Kazakhstan.

Smug b_____ds.

True they are, but where you gonna move to if the really evil smug m*********rs get in?
Mars?

What are house prices like in Karaganda?

CallmeDave's smug phuckers are no better surely? All self-serving tossers

Kazakhstan sounds like a very wise move to me.

I understand that unlike here, the governing party is highly popular – it received about 90% of the vote last election I believe.

What election? Nothing's been officially announced yet and I wouldn't put it past Gordon to push through a spot of emergency legislation on the pretence that they need to stay in power to fix the economy.

I just hate the fact that for the next few months they will be scoring points off each other instead of running the **** country.

The one thing I'd put money on is that Alistair Darling won't have his job after the election – he's been honest on record about the state of the economy and now about the state of public finances, which surely disqualifies him from any government role even if nulab win, can't have honesty creeping into politics… 😯

My only problem with Darling is that he appears to have something approaching integrity, which may convince people to vote for nulab yet again.

And just by way of reminder: nulab is the party that embarked on some major political follies no less monumental than those of Thatcher employed Brown, Balls, and the Milibands in the first place. Not that I have an issue… 🙄

Good bye! Your absence will not be deeply felt.

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night

SNP its the only way
the 7 staines is good by the way!
they are in north britain…we call it scotland tho

Guess so.

For the first time in my life I have no enthusiasm for the election of a labour government. I have been eligible to vote since the 70s.

I guess we have to vote for whoever will keep the tories out. With their policies that will destroy the NHS and ensure a deep recession with mass unemployment we must make certain there is no tory majority. Although a tory majority will lead to Scottish independence very quickly as callmedave will not have a mandate in Scotland

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'We' as in the royal we? Certainly I will have nothing to do with your socialist scum.
Bring on the tories and massive public spending cuts.

Labour deserve a massive kick in the chumleys for the past thirteen years. I'll certainly never vote for them again. But vote Tory? I remain to be convinced, but if I had to choose it certainly wouldn't be Labour.

As long as I have a hole in my arse I would never vote Tory
What they [vindictively] did to try & destroy the working classes in 80s is beyond forgiveness.
The thought that they will go on another crusade with the likes of Daniel Hannan influencing policy makes me shudder

On the other hand, I have no time for New Labour but if it's the only way to keep the Tories out – it'll have to be them again.

Agree with Uplink. I have powerful memories of the savage govt of the 80s that achieved a massive redistribution from poor to rich and the police kicking 10 types of sh*te out of anyone who protested. Cameron will bring all of that back if elected. I'm astonished at some of the reactionary views espoused by some on here who stand to suffer most under such a govt. Turkeys voting for christmas?

Certainly I will have nothing to do with your socialist scum.

The last few Labour governments have been guilty of many things, but socialisim isn't really one of them. In fact about the only socialist thing that they did was to nationalise a couple of banks and in that situation I think every party would have done the same given the situation.

Bring on the tories and massive public spending cuts.

You'll get your wish no matter if Labour or the Conservatives win. Both are effectively Tory and public spending will be cut no matter who wins the election.

I have powerful memories of the savage govt of the 80s that achieved a massive redistribution from poor to rich

I have memories of the government of the late 90s and 00s that achieved an even bigger distribution from poor to rich whilst masquerading as a left wing government. Not much to choose really.

Revolution it is then…who's for a '3rd way'? 😉

I have powerful memories of the savage govt of the 80s that achieved a massive redistribution from poor to rich

Hmmm, l too have many memories of the 80s and I see it a different way. There were definitely some things that were not great but considering the awful state the country was in coming out of the 70s drastic actionw as needed. Funnily enough much of the groundwork laid in the 80s and early 90s yielded the fruit that nulab attempted to claim the credit for and subsequently squandered and frittered away.

and the police kicking 10 types of sh*te out of anyone who protested

And of course that's all different now is it?

All the rumblings and threats of strike action at the moment seems to be a kick back to 70s style union activism and is not a good direction to be heading in.

To be honest though I can't see there being too much difference between any of the parties if they were to win the election. We have become a very middle ground country politically and no party is going to want to move any great distance from the centre. On past performance you can expect the Tories to curb spending more dramatically than Labour and it will be the public servants that will take the biggest fall. However, so much of the public sector is ineffective, inefficient and overstaffed that it will be an easy target. Whoever gets in we are in for a tough few years and it won't be a bundle of laughs. 😯

<Dons flame-proof hat>

I wonder if the people doing some of the anti-Tory moaning are our "Regional Development Coordinators" or "Integral Ethnic Integrators" or some other such bollocks and are worried about losing their jobs over the course of the next year or two. Maybe they'll have an idea of what it's been like for everyone else.

No fans of the notably purse-lipped Mr Cable here, then?

I wonder if the people doing some of the anti-Tory moaning are our "Regional Development Coordinators" or "Integral Ethnic Integrators" or some other such bollocks and are worried about losing their jobs over the course of the next year or two. Maybe they'll have an idea of what it's been like for everyone else.

Nope – work for myself & don't do any work for the public sector

Apologies in that case uplink.

Funnily enough much of the groundwork laid in the 80s and early 90s yielded the fruit that nulab attempted to claim the credit for and subsequently squandered and frittered away.

i thought it was mostly due to the trillions of pounds the uk has gotten from north sea oil

whatever government has been in has been pretty irrelevant

I wonder if the people doing some of the anti-Tory moaning are our "Regional Development Coordinators" or "Integral Ethnic Integrators" or some other such bollocks and are worried about losing their jobs over the course of the next year or two. Maybe they'll have an idea of what it's been like for everyone else.

Nope, I work in the oil and gas industry, have no dealings with the public sector and have little love for the Tories. Your argument really doesn't have any substance and is more like a stereotypical "Daily Mail" type article.

Public Spending cuts or just a case of stopping the wasteful schemes, programmes, handouts both in the UK and abroad this Government has created while in office to secure votes. (i would paste a clip of a Northern MP who boasts how he has spent millions of British cash on Indian projects in India but then i would be a racist)

Sorry a time for change it is, as with the last Tory Government this Nulab lot have had too long in power and become complacent.

Brown held the countries coffers for years promising prudent spending etc etc but when it came to the crunch we are 170 billion in debt, my children will be paying for that when they start work yet Brown and the rest of the self serving pigs in the commons will be sitting pretty on pensions protected from any stock market crash and market forces. Your State pension will be worth the square root of Zero.

No a time for change and legislation to prevent PMs serving more than two terms.

I do find it really exasperating when politicians, the media and internet pundits start to lay the current financial situation and UK debt at Gordon Brown's door.

Sure, he was PM during the Global financial crisis, but by all accounts (International, presumably independent opinion) he hasn't done too bad a job at juggling all the piles of shit and keeping them in the air. Hopefully all thoses piles of crap will fall back to earth one at a time, rather than as one big dollop.

What were the alternatives – let the banks go to the wall and see the country descend into financial anarchy?? The current levels of debt are pretty much equivalent to the bank bailout costs – a pretty exceptional set of circumsatnces for any Govt. Even Bush was forced to do the same in the US, FFS

kimbers – Member

Funnily enough much of the groundwork laid in the 80s and early 90s yielded the fruit that nulab attempted to claim the credit for and subsequently squandered and frittered away.

i thought it was mostly due to the trillions of pounds the uk has gotten from north sea oil

No no no – it's all Thatcher's fault.

browns only fault was to follow dogmatically the previous tory business model of finacial services uber alles

and this crap about my kids paying off gordons debt is rubbish
stop being such sheep and believing all the scare stories in the press
170bn is peanuts in global financial terms
tax evasion is thought to cost 20bn a year- plug all those loopholes and wed be solvent in a few years

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though parliament, its finances party funding etc are corrupt as **** and really should be sorted out!

though parliament, its finances party funding etc are corrupt as **** and really should be sorted out!

..and has been since it's inception.

browns only fault

Must resist the temptation to respond… oh no, it's too strong 👿 . Can't blame Brown for a lack of basic understanding of economics amongst people but I can blame him for the spin that the population so easily accept. "Brown is a prudent chancellor" "no more boom and bust" "it's the banks' fault" "Britain is well placed to recover" "cuts now would derail the recovery" "our debt is not as bad as other countries". All rubbish but people lap it up.

Rio not quite true about New Labour. The gini coefficient/Lorenz curve increased a bit under Blair then it flattened out and tailed off as a result of some policies affecting the poor and low paid. However point taken re not much to choose from different variants of neo-liberalism. I see the average employee suffering more under the Tories therefore they will not be getting my vote. The point is to not cynically give up on political engagement but rather to fight your corner union-wise and try to pressurise New Labour to adopt some socialist principles. Cynicism disempowers the people and is great for the ruling class as they face no serious challenges to their domination and profits.

One thing that New Labour have introduced, that no Tory government would ever want to, is the Minimum Wage. Indeed, most previous attempts to introduce such legislation have been vehemently opposed by Tories.

The Tories also opposed such things as the NHS, Women's right to vote, and the right to vote of all UK citizens.

Whilst New Labout have somewhat betrayed their Socialist foundations, I still think they are by far the lesser of Two Evils. I can't see any Tory party ever acting for the good of all people in this country. They never have done before.

same shit, different colour tie.

i don't really want them too but if the tories can't win this election they are finished.

I wonder if the people doing some of the anti-Tory moaning are our "Regional Development Coordinators" or "Integral Ethnic Integrators" or some other such bollocks…….

As an 'anti-Tory', my such bollocks is construction ……. I'm a building worker.

A building worker who remembers the Tory 'sky high interest rate' driven recession in construction – which was the greatest turn around from profit to loss, of any industry, in British history. And all as a direct result of Tory government policies.

A building worker who remembers how in 10 years of Thatcher's rule, gov spending on housing went down in real terms, by minus 67%. And that wasn't because the problem of shortage of affordable housing had finally been cracked.

Still none of that necessarily affects the way I vote as I'm rather old fashion and vote for what I think is be best for the country – not me personally.

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Funnily enough much of the groundwork laid in the 80s and early 90s yielded the fruit that nulab attempted to claim the credit for and subsequently squandered and frittered away.

I think most people would agree that Tory government economic policy of the 80s and early 90s can be summed up thus : "a move away from manufacturing, and a far greater dependency on (now deregulated) financial services".

Which is at the very core of the shit which Britain finds itself in today.

Yes the economic policies of the 80s and early 90s finally yielded fruit – and very bitter fruit they have turned out to be. But then it was always obvious.

The tory economic policy was also based on spending the oil money on benefits – putting millions out of work and paying them to do nothing. Its only because of the oil money that the recession was not deeper and longer. Remember twice as many unemployed as now?

Don't fool yourselves – if Osbourne becomes chancellor it will be a disaster – he has shown himself to be economically illiterate, he keeps reversing his position and the current position of savage cuts will tip us straight back into a recession.