Ukraine

How close did they have to be to shell behind enemy lines? How did they get that close?

They’ve got Soviet era multi launch rocket systems with a range of 70km, and self propelled guns with a range of 40km.

Announced today his family – the family of a UK citizen – have given up on the UK and are heading to Ireland.

It was saying on Radio 4 that this is happening across the board. People are just giving up trying and just going to more welcoming countries, ie: everywhere else

I don’t doubt for a second that this was exactly what this shower of shite government intended. How to not end up taking in any refugees without actually coming out and saying ‘we’re not going to take in any refugees’

I don’t know how Priti Patel, the daughter of refugees taken in by the UK, can sleep at night. Pull that ladder up behind yourself, eh?

I don’t know how Priti Patel, the daughter of refugees taken in by the UK, can sleep at night. Pull that ladder up behind yourself, eh?

That’s how Tories work. They justify not being kind by saying ‘well we managed, I managed, so you can you’.

Priti on the outside, perhaps.

She should read some

I read the Guardian article earlier. Closing paragraph is where we are as a society right now with no sign of it getting better.

I don’t know how Priti Patel, the daughter of refugees taken in by the UK, can sleep at night. Pull that ladder up behind yourself, eh?

Pritler doesn’t sleep per se, she just rests in a box full of earth dug up from North Essex until she has to go and feed again.

Here’s an account of the type of vicious bureaucracy that Pritler has put in place.

If you haven’t read the Guardian piece, it’s a depressing read.

‘Homes for Ukraine’ is just a slogan – as I found out by trying to welcome a refugee

Yet again, its just a three word slogan in place of any actual policy. this government is an utter disgrace

That’s an order of magnitude worse than anything the U.S. has done in the last 40 years.

Bollocks is it. 10 times worse than Fallujah? You need to get some perspective.

NB what the Russians are doing is terrible. I want Putin out. But have some perspective nothing that is happening is x10 worse than what the Americans did in parts of Iraq.

10 times worse than Fallujah?

Yes, much, much worse.

EDIT: I disagree

nothing that is happening is x10 worse than what the Americans did in parts of Iraq.

How do you know?

There’s only so bad you can be. Nothing is 10x worse than chemical weapons that cause birth defects for years to come.

Dunno, being raped, summarily shot in the back of the head and dumped in a mass grave seems pretty shit to me as well.

And apart from Assad/Putin (Russia) and Saddam, who’s chucked chemical weapons around recently?

There’s only so bad you can be. Nothing is 10x worse than chemical weapons that cause birth defects for years to come.

Nothing is 10x worse than chemical weapons that cause birth defects for years to come.

Nothing at all? Is that an absolute? I am certainly not condoning anything that happened in Iraq (some of it was quite horrific) but I’d suggest that what we are being told is happening right now in Ukraine is certainly up there as being >10x worse.

Yes I am wrong. If you used x10 the amount of chemicals then…

Nothing I have seen is close to that.

Hundreds of children have been killed by US drone strikes in the last 40 years X10 worse than that?

X10 worse than the methodical torture program of the US?

Come on!

Nothing is 10x worse than chemical weapons that cause birth defects for years to come.

Are you saying the Americans used chemical weapons in Fallujah? Did I miss something somewhere?

They used white phosphorus

Hundreds of children have been killed by US drone strikes in the last 40 years X10 worse than that?

Russia appears to have surpassed this in weeks, not 4 decades

Ah, yeah that they did. Used it to flush out buildings full of civilians, which is a no-no.

Yeah, but some people’s political leanings can’t process or allow for anyone other than the US bad guys.

I mean the same people are often quiet on the brutality of many other regimes and organizations. But you know, murica bad.

Russia appears to have surpassed this in weeks, not 4 decades

It is possible to abhor both US and Russian bombs.

Are you saying the Americans used chemical weapons in Fallujah? Did I miss something somewhere?

& other stuff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb

It is? Thanks for pointing that out, I’d never have gleaned that nugget if it weren’t for your astute observation.

The thing is I don’t believe some of you, you seem to be very vocal in one direction. Like this thread; it’s about Russian aggression in Ukraine, yet some still insist on popping in to let us know that what’s happening isn’t as bad as {insert other area of conflict}.

It is possible to abhor both US and Russian bombs.

Russia appears to have surpassed this in weeks, not 4 decades

Nope

Nope

Gosh, that convinced me

It is possible to abhor both US and Russian bombs.

I abhor all of them regardless of who is using them

Problem is, it doesn’t stop people using them

Counting down to ‘the Israeli’s are worse than everyone’ statement in 3…2…1…

It’s for sure on that path…

Watch Vice via your preferred streaming service and understand how the Bush jnr administration was able to dodge behind semantics to differentiate between POWs and “battlefield detainees”. Arguably, the disaster that resulted from Project for a New American Century and the uber-shitheads who felt that America needed to “kick someone’s ass” every few years to remind the world of the country’s importance.

It’s entirely possible to be appalled at what transpired in Iraq AND what’s happening right now in Ukraine, I don’t think that the whataboutery serves any useful purpose in this thread, given that we’re discussing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (which is also cheerled by some of the aforementioned uber-shitheads).

piemonster
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Nope

Gosh, that convinced me

Google it then?

That’s because they can see civil infrastructure and defence contract money becoming in the near future.

KBR will be slathering at the mouth no doubt.

which is also cheerled by some of the aforementioned uber-shitheads

Google it then?

I did, its looking like Russia have killed hundreds in weeks.

https://mobile.twitter.com/StewartMcDonald/status/1511734253826060298/photo/1

Cheers @dantsw13 that’s given me a much needed laugh.

A snippet of the absolute evil which is going on in Mariupol out of the western media gaze.  The conversation is in Russian, but further down the thread someone has linked to a version with English subtitles.  Just despicable.

In an intercepted call, a Russian soldier tells his wife about a “safari" hunt for children in Mariupol. The soldier shares stories of invasion forces chasing a little Ukrainian girl, shooting her in the legs – just for fun.https://t.co/Bh5UN050Sz

— ArianaGic/Аріянॳць (@GicAriana) April 6, 2022

I did, its looking like Russia have killed hundreds in weeks

But not surpassed the total yet. Hopefully they don’t, it’s bloody tragic what is going on.

They used white phosphorus

I had missed that, nasty.

I am now better informed.

Im not sure we will ever find out the full extent of whats been done to civilians in the captured regions

It will be worse than we can imagine

This is going way off thread, but it is really important to draw a distinction between isolated incidents in Iraq v the Ukraine War.

War is never clean and tidy, but there was so much effort put into avoiding civilian casualties if possible. Having been a part of it, seeing Iraq compared to the barbarity on display here, I take a little personally.