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    greyspoke
    Free Member

    “I’m sure I heard somewhere that there’s almost an ‘EU English’ dialect”

    There is an international English. It is neither US nor UK English, but what a large community of people (overseas students at US or UK Universities, people who want to get on in professional careers or academia etc) speak. I have experienced it when teaching diverse groups of overseas students they clearly understood each other better than I undetstood them.

    thisisnotaspoon
    Free Member

    I think the Tories might be in for a rude awakening in the ‘Blue Wall’

    I’ll never forgive Redwood* for quitting this year and denying me my local Portillo moment.

    The only problem for the Lib Dems is they’ve taken over the council propped up by Labour and have some VERY unpopular decisions to make that the Tory’s repeatedly kicked into the long grass.  Like approving 4500 new houses on a single greenbelt development or suffer death by 1000 cuts as they lose every other smaller planning application on appeal as the Tory’s never developed/passed a workable local housing development plan.

    *again, he’s perennially unforgivable

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    fenderextender
    Free Member

    It’s the first time I’ve heard that theory. Have you got a link to a political analyst who claims that Russians are in Syria because Putin wants to help the far right in western Europe?

    I was talking about the rise of the AfD being directly linked to immigration in the 2010s – particularly in light of Merkel’s “We’ve got this” speech of 2015(14?). In this regard I can refer you to the excellent ‘Shortest History of Germany’ by James Hawes. His main contention is that the Roman ‘limes’ still dictate largely where attitudes prevail and that the Elbe, not the Rhine is the temperamental border in N Europe. But he lays the blame for the large spike in AfD popularity at the door of the Syrian migration crisis.

    As for the initial point about Russia weaponising Syrian migration to Europe – here you go.

    https://militairespectator.nl/artikelen/allegations-russian-weaponized-migration-against-eu#:~:text=There%20is%20evidence%20that%20Russia,central%20element%20of%20its%20campaign%3F

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    I was talking about the rise of the AfD being directly linked to immigration in the 2010s

    You claimed that Russia are involved in the Syrian civil war because they want to help the far-right in Western Europe destroy the EU by creating refugees.

    There must surely be easier and cheaper ways to help the AfD?

    The overwhelming majority of Syrian refugees are in Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon, btw.

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    kelvin
    Full Member

    There must surely be easier and cheaper ways to help the AfD?

    It’s not just the AfD, it’s not just Germany… but you know all this, even without reading anything posted above.

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    binners
    Full Member

    I’ll never forgive Redwood* for quitting this year and denying me my local Portillo moment.


    @thisisnotaspoon
    – I follow Redwood on Twitter just to witness how incredible it is that one man can be so consistently wrong about absolutely everything for the duration of his entire life. Its uncanny.

    This would support the regularly-made claim that he is fact from another planet

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    It’s not just the AfD, it’s not just Germany… but you know all this, even without reading anything posted above.

    I know that the Russians are not as suggested in Syria specifically to create a refugee problem in Western Europe to help the far-right parties undermine the EU.

    I also know that there are relatively few Syrian refugees in Europe, the one exception is Germany. The overwhelmingly majority are in countries neighbouring Syria.

    I also know that every day brings a new conspiracy theory on the internet. Yesterday I learnt that apparently the Oct 7 Hamas attack was actually carried out by the United States and Israel, the motive apparently was to get their hands on Iran’s oil. Yeah go figure.

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    fenderextender
    Free Member

    You claimed that Russia are involved in the Syrian civil war because they want to help the far-right in Western Europe destroy the EU by creating refugees.

    There must surely be easier and cheaper ways to help the AfD?

    The overwhelming majority of Syrian refugees are in Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon, btw.

    Taking those in turn.

    1. I said that Putin was getting what he wanted from Syria – a destabilising flow of refugees from Syria into Europe. You asked for links – there are two above. One is a US General in an official statement where he identifies the use of weapons and targeting with no military purpose other than to make people ‘get on the road’ as he puts it.

    2. There are, and he probably does those too. Why would the two strands be mutually exclusive?

    3. You know as well as I do that actual numbers are only a part in creating the narrative of fear. Particularly in post-industrial western countries where there are large pockets of left-behind people who are easier prey for populists. And the countries you mention are simply closer and also more closely aligned religiously and culturally to Syrians in any case. Any migration flow in history has a massive bias in where people end up towards the least distant and the most likely to be similar to ‘home’.

    My mention of political analysts was specifically I with regard to the escalation of support for the AfD in the wake of what some perceived as an open door policy from Merkel in the wake of what turned out to be peak migration from Syria. That correlation is covered in the book I referred you to. As well as being well documented elsewhere.

    Hope this helps.

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Hope this helps.

    I understood exactly what you said, it’s here:

    A few years ago I saw a report on Syria that postulated at the end “we still don’t know what Russia wants in Syria”. I thought at the time it was an odd thing to say. It revealed a bias towards the west, quite reasonably, wanting an end to the conflict and some kind of resolution. But it completely misunderstood Putin. He’s all about constant destabilisation that allows nationalist-populists to sow fear in western Europe.

    Putin got (and continues to get) exactly what he wants out of Syria – a constant flow of Muslim, brown-skinned refugees into western Europe where they can then be pointed at by the far right as an easy target and used to sow fear.

    I just don’t agree with the premise behind the theory. Let’s leave it at that.

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    kelvin
    Full Member

    where they can then be pointed at by the far right as an easy target and used to sow fear

    The poster was released by Nigel Farage of the UK Independence Party and depicted a photograph of Syrian refugees near the Croatia-Slovenia border in 2015

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Point_(UKIP_poster)

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    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    More news about the return of Nigel Farage here:

    (caution – contains many naughty words)

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    Dickyboy
    Full Member

    We’re in a newly formed constituency but cons are predicted to win with 40% of the vote & labour/lib Dems each getting 22% 😕 yet another year for our votes to count for sweet fa.

    ratherbeintobago
    Full Member

    @Dickyboy Where’s that?

    Jordan
    Full Member

    Had some LibDem bumph through the door today, first bit of election material I’ve had so far. I’ve actually been delivering them myself as part of my postie job.

    Never heard of the guy but he’s a local lad apparently Daniel Callaghan. He’s campaigning on all of the right local issues and billing himself as the only real alternative to Sunak. If that were really the case I could see myself tactically voting for him instead of my prefered Labour.

    However, no idea how accurate UK Polling Report is but they are predicting Sunak holding the seat on 43% with Labour on 27% and Lib Dem coming fourth behind Reform on 9%. Shame really, it seems like the anti Sunak vote is split there.

    I know a lot of the local Tories are thinking of giving a protest vote but I can’t see them giving it to Labour.

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    ratherbeintobago
    Full Member

    @jordan I think if it was a genuine LD target seat you’d know by now. One of my mates from training is campaigning for Lab there and seems to think they’ve a reasonable shout.

    Jordan
    Full Member

    Yeah I will be following my heart and voting Labour but having seen the Lib Dem thing I’m surprised a lot of the older local Tories that I know aren’t going in that direction.

    Dickyboy
    Full Member

    Where’s that?

    Mid Bucks constituency, I’m hoping this lot might help but not holding too much hope.

    https://www.midbucksprimary.org/

    Another poll/prediction is giving labour a closer but still dim shout at 29%, so I’ll probably stick with them & make sure the family know too.

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    hatter
    Full Member

    I think the Tories might be in for a rude awakening in the ‘Blue Wall’

    I can assure you we’re doing our best to make it happen. :-)

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    binners
    Full Member

    Good luck! We’re doing our best to get shut of ‘em up here

    I want my own personal Portillo Moment when our useless Tory MP, Deputy Chairman James Daly (majority 100)  is given his marching orders. I’ll be stopping up for that result coming in if I have to sit up all night 😃

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    BillMC
    Full Member

    In Rutland Labour is predicted 2% behind the Tories, if only a few Libs or Greens could see sense Kearns would be OUT.

    Klunk
    Free Member

    A week to the deadline for withdrawal notices, I guess if Reform were planning on repeating the antics of the Brexit party then they’ll wait to the final hour to prevent Labour , Libdems and Greens acting in kind.

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Latest poll

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-7-10-june-2024/

    A 3 point increase for Labour in 4 days. And Reform UK 2 points behind the Tories.

    igm
    Full Member

    These polls are getting silly.  I don’t believe it will be anything like that on the 4th.

    Klunk
    Free Member

    so much for the polls narrowing once the election was called :?

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    imnotverygood
    Full Member

    Well whatever else happens, Ed Davey seems to be having a fantastic time. Are we sure he isn’t just on holiday?

    winston
    Free Member

    @dickyboy

    Our constituency is very similar (the recently created East Grinstead and Uckfield). Torys are predicted to get in on a massive majority due to huge numbers of city boys and racist pensioners.

    Problem we have is that the Labour candidate is a bit of a bellend.

    So for me its probably got to be Lib Dems as the candidate is a good guy but if the lib dem and lab vote was combined it would get rid of the Tory……

    But there seems to be no tactical campaign

    somafunk
    Full Member

    Here’s self confessed Zionist Shitlord Luke Akehurst attempting to connect with voters, good try Luke, now crawl back under your stone

    chewkw
    Free Member

    Was speaking to my lefty Marxist friend few days ago regarding the GE, which according to him might not be a massive win for Labour.  He told me he had some “expert” information on the possible GE outcome which may disappoint Labour if they were hoping for a landslide victory.  He is very active politically and will go out to protest whenever there is a need.

    Hhhmmmm …

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    binners
    Full Member

    Don’t tell me…. does Jeremy Corbyn finally get to be PM, holding his new Parliament from the socialist republic of Islington? N

    DrJ
    Full Member

    Here’s self confessed Zionist Shitlord Luke Akehurst attempting to connect with voters, good try Luke, now crawl back under your stone

    What a truly terrible video – doesn’t Mossad pay for media training these days?

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    theotherjonv
    Full Member

    These polls are getting silly.  I don’t believe it will be anything like that on the 4th.

    Reading won the Championship in 2005/6 with 106 points. It was an inevitability from about February but I didn’t enjoy the season, because in my world we were going to implode at some point. We always do. March came and went, in late March we were mathematically up but still could in theory get caught for the title. Early April it was done and dusted. I wish I’d believed we were uncatchable long before I did, so I could have enjoyed the experience.

    I’m having the same thoughts, except this could go literally to the last day.

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    politecameraaction
    Free Member

    What a truly terrible video – doesn’t Mossad pay for media training these days?

    Isn’t it odd that according to conspiracy theorists Mossad controls all the media but also what they do is immediately obvious to unremarkable people on the Internet?  🤔

    BillMC
    Full Member

    These free members coming on here to defend Mossad and Dinners Akehurst eh?

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Luke Akehurst’s favourite conspiracy theory currently is that the United Nations is anti-semitic.

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    politecameraaction
    Free Member

    BillMC

    Full Member

    These free members coming on here to defend Mossad and Dinners Akehurst eh?

    I don’t know if you’re anti-Semitic, but you’re clearly anti-semantics.

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    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    Awkward.

    UN agency warns of new Rwanda abuses evidence

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq55yqn0322o

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    somafunk
    Full Member

    I don’t know if you’re anti-Semitic, but you’re clearly anti-semantics.

    Deserved a hand-clap

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    ernielynch
    Full Member

    The United Nations’ refugee agency has warned judges it may have new evidence from 2024 that Rwanda has endangered asylum seekers, despite Parliament passing a law declaring the country is safe.

    If the Tories passed a law declaring Rwanda a safe country surely no one can legally contradict them?

    I have to say Rishi Sunak missed a trick by not expanding on this brilliant tactic – he could have passed laws declaring that there are no NHS queues, no inflation, etc

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