Teachers striking again!!!!!

“Essentially, taking inflation into account, the teachers are getting a pay-cut.”

Oh poor teachers…Mrs FD and myself both currently work in the Public sector and have 2 years pay freeze in place, and it looks like our pension is going to be affected too. The government is taking money off us left right and centre in additional taxes (or removing tax benefits) too, so all in all we are taking home less money now than we were 2 years ago. Taking inflation in to account we are getting completely screwed. Yes we are a bit mythed by it because we both work hard.

However

1. We are glad we still have a job that pays a good wage (just like any teacher)

2. In the current climate you are lucky to be in work and not being made redundant!

Both my parents were teachers and I also know many teachers, but some times they do live a bit too far in the own little world bubble

FD – with respect, if you were in a better union, perhaps you wouldn’t have had the rough ride you’ve had.

One thing I’ve learned over the years – if you don’t cause a fuss no one will seek you out for a payrise. AFAIK teachers and a lot of other public sector workers have little recourse to anything other than strike action to make their point in the end.

Pimpmaster Jazz – Member
That’s my favourite quote of the day so far.

This guy had a particularly easy time, and was obviously supported all the way through his easy career: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/may/24/teacher-dumbbell-peter-harvey-community-order

I see your “teacher half battering pupil to death” link and raise you the “wonderful public servant” Nigel Leat

Uni lecturers are also on strike on the 30th because many of us are in the same pension scheme as teachers. As the UCU put it:

The average lecturer faces an increase of around £90 a month in exchange for reduced benefits.

The average lecturer faces an increase of around £90 a month in exchange for reduced benefits.

I’ll do you a swap. 😉

You live in Spain right? I’ll have a word with my boss.

While I’m not supporting the strike for various reasons I do find it strange the number of people who are spouting lowest common denominator arguements. Just because you have taken a pay cut or you have ahd your pension cut doesn’t mean that someone else automatically should. That is just a race to the bottom and won’t benefit any of us.

However, as we’re paying for these people to do only 30 weeks 9.00-3.30* to get a gold plated pension I think we should get the water cannons out 😉

*This is in no way true.

which would be against the law.

Which law would that be? Timex, Dundee, 1993 – look it up

Exactly. The current and recent crises have been caused by the removal of the class barriers to education. By pretending that the working classes have the same rights to education as the middle and upper classes we have produced a generation of Bankers, Teachers, Engineers and the like who clearly lack the cultural heritage to carry out those jobs successfully. The issue is that on the surface you can teach a monkey to press buttons, but ultimately, when things go wrong, you need a level head and a steady hand on the tiller and these qualities cannot be attained by just sending a kid from a working class environment through the motions of education. Filter them out early enough and we will avoid these National crises.

Genius. And not written by someone from a blue collar background I presume? 😉

which would be against the law.

Which law would that be? Timex, Dundee, 1993 – look it up

One of the nastiest disputes I can remember,there was a really bad atmosphere right through the city.

I work in the private sector and have had to change my pension arrangements in the last twelve months because of the economic pressures being faced by my employer. My pay has also been frozen for the past two years despite facing longer hours and greater uncertainty. I don’t have the option of going on strike, all I can do is get on with things and look for a better job in the meantime.

You could become a science teacher and join the gravy train, there arent enough of them so its easy to get a job.

project – Member

Wasnt meant to be funny, but truth, why do we need a national pay scale, and national conditions, supply and demand, and in working class areas you need working class skills/trades and in the more affluent areas you need more academic lessons, to suit the parents ideologys.

The lab boys are a little busy still with the last one so there might be a delay here.

You are talking shite my friend.

No I’m not, as I said, I’m speaking from personal experience.

I’m a teacher type and I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it feels a bit early to strike – I want to see exactly what the government will propose not just what has been recommended. And a totally crap time to strike tbh – A levels and GCSEs have been sat and those kids are on leave – most (secondary) schools can probably cope with a few staff away by the end of this month.

It’s a shame though, could be another reason to make teaching a 2nd choice career for many. I don’t want to big myself up too much but I got a 1st class degree and won national competitions that marked me out as one of the best grads in my subject that year. I chose teaching above the jobs I could have done in the profession I was qualified for partly because of the job role but also because the whole package didn’t look too bad. I calculated I would be (a lot) down on pay but would gain useable chunks of time off and a good pension. If the pension starts to look a little less rosy the more marketable grads like I was all those years ago might look elsewhere.

Another aspect I don’t yet understand (need to use my friend Mr Google) is how it will work for someone in my situation. I will have half a career’s worth of pension which I could draw from the age of 60 (as the changes won’t be retrograde and only effect newly pensionable service) and half a career’s worth that I can draw from 67. Do I leave my left hand side in bed in the morning whilst my right hand side goes to work?

You could become a science teacher and join the gravy train, there arent enough of them so its easy to get a job.

I know of a large private organisation shedding 1,000’s of UK jobs currently. As part of the outplacement you are offered various courses including inclusing “getting into teaching”, it’s near the bottom of the list next to “dog grooming franchise”.

dog grooming franchise

Could you forward me more details, please? It sounds interesting and possibly has a future.

Oh look teachers having MORE time off, like they don’t have enough with flipping inset days and BH’s must be a nightmare being a parent, your kids will never be at school.

Oh look pay freeze and increasing pension contributions, accepts it least they have a job. Oh and they can strike! mmmm I can’t strike so I’m screwed have to live to accept it, get over it and move on.

no sympathy I’m afraid. I have friends who are teachers, one is on the high potential scheme thing and says being a teacher is easy. Especially secondary school, pick your topic right all your lession programmes, then repeat every year when you get your new year 7’s! How hard can that be. Oh and maybe a bit of marking to do, before what 0830 when the kids arrive of after 1545 ……. what a long day that is? Phew, best go lie down (all said tongue in cheek of course ….) 😉

pick your topic right all your lession programmes, then repeat every year when you get your new year 7’s! How hard can that be.

I believe there’s a literacy requirement in teaching which rules some people out so maybe harder than you might think

I can’t strike

I take it careers advice wasn’t an option for you then?

I know of a large private organisation shedding 1,000’s of UK jobs currently. As part of the outplacement you are offered various courses including inclusing “getting into teaching”, it’s near the bottom of the list next to “dog grooming franchise”.

Child/dog I can see how you’d get similar applicants 😯 😉

it’s near the bottom of the list next to “dog grooming franchise”.

..and shitetalking is near the top, which is maybe why you took it?

Here’s a suggestion, how about teachers striking during the school holiday’s, there’s loads of days to choose from, no effect on pupils and parents. It’s win/win.

..and shitetalking is near the top, which is maybe why you took it?

I take it you don’t believe me?

LycraLout that comment was from a teacher! As each year 7 is different, so have the curriculum to teach them say about the Merthyr riots plan the lesson as per guidelines on what should be taught, each year get a new year 7 class use the same plan!

As for careers advice, no teacher at my school ever gave me any advice that was useful! Utter bo*****s! Found my career by digging and nosying myself.

that comment was from a teacher!

A teacher who doesn’t know the difference between right and write? Seriously? Perhaps you should be on strike and let someone with some basic literacy skills do the teaching.

I take it you don’t believe me?

Gosh, how did you work that out?

Oh FFS think you’ll find the teacher does know the difference it’s me that doesn’t (well I do, I’m just typing quickly and being a muppet as I’m multi-tasking).

I also spent 2 summers teaching English to foreign kids, I had no lessons and it really wasn’t that difficult, although it was utter shite IMO as I hated every minute of it. Certainly wasn’t hard though!

I also spent 2 summers teaching English to foreign kids, I had no lessons and it really wasn’t that difficult, although it was utter shite IMO as I hated every minute of it. Certainly wasn’t hard though!

How much did the kids learn? That would be a better gauge of whether it’s easy or difficult. 😉

Gosh, how did you work that out?

It’s absolutely true.

I hated every minute of it.

Given your poor command of the English language, that’s hardly a surprise, is it? Poor dear, it must have been difficult.

Oh look pay freeze and increasing pension contributions, accepts it least they have a job

Coppers cannot be sacked can they can you name another profession with this protection? Oh and what age /years contribution do you get your pension?
my mate says driving round in van all day eating donuts and occasionally walking his dog is a piece of piss. Occasionally he gets to drive like a mad man and everyone gets out his way. He makes a killing from overtime as well :rollL

It’s absolutely true made up.

There, fixed it for you.

There, fixed it for you.

Thanks LycraLoutLuddite

says being a teacher is easy. Especially secondary school

I think swinging a door is a piece of piss, and yet strangely enough I know office wallahs who would struggle to put a shelf up level, never mind fitting a new front door.

Anyone who genuinely believes that teaching is “easy” and requires no special skills or training, as apparently you do Munqe-chick, is either utterly dishonest or some sort of idiot. Which one are you M-C?

Thanks LycraLoutLuddite

That the best you can do? Hardly PMSL there. Actually, was hoping you’d name this company of yours, but not surprised you didn’t. Will I take a guess? CompletelyMadeUpCo?
Fiction Unlimited?

CompletelyMadeUpCo

Work it out yourself – clue: East kent

You have 30sec……go, tick tock tick tock…and the answer is?

Work it out yourself

…ran out of time – yep “Luddite”

I also spent 2 summers teaching English to foreign kids, I had no lessons and it really wasn’t that difficult, although it was utter shite IMO as I hated every minute of it. Certainly wasn’t hard though!

That’s not teaching. That’s working for a business.

each year get a new year 7 class use the same plan!

Because that really works when you have a class of kids with reading ages from 5-12 in one group. Just recycle the plan and leave the thick ones to it.

Nuff said!

I know of a large private organisation shedding 1,000’s of UK jobs currently. As part of the outplacement you are offered various courses including inclusing “getting into teaching”, it’s near the bottom of the list next to “dog grooming franchise”.

That where you got that little gem from?

LOL @ don Simon, very much agree but that for another thread 😉

@ Junkyard, I don’t have any issues with my job (well I do but no related to this thread, and I’m not a dog handler). My point was in this climate where thousands are being made unemployed, or having to take pay cuts to keep a job then a 2 year pay freeze and increasing pension contributions is nowt. Lots of people up in arms about Windsor report not me, I appreciate that I have a job that is reasonably well paid and has a cracking pension…..although I won’t see the benefit of that. But hey Ho that’s life.

Okay maybe I was too flippant, teaching isn’t easy but it certainly isn’t hard 😉

That where you got that little gem from?

Reference:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmsctech/805/805we07.htm

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