South American block on Falkland registered vessels.

The ironic thing is that the Falklands war never happened the Islands would probably be part of Argentina by now.

No, it wouldn’t – the rumours of Falklands oil have been circulating consistently since the late 1970s. (Never ever realised – almost as if there were some group of people that had an interest in making sure that the Brits don’t lose interest in the islands).

Not the same

Exactly the same – I can make any number of invitations to you to enter into discussions about the possession of your wallet but as long as you have it and you want it, the response is going to be the same: piss off.

Just to fit in with your childish pantomime….

Fred:

And as I, as you all know, am always right wrong, that must therefore mean you are in fact wrong right.

Despite your over-inflated ego, this is actually how it usually turns out on most threads you contribute to.

TandemJeremy – Member
big and daft – if the wishes of the islanders are the only thing that counts why does this not apply to Diego Garcia?

TJ – you make a valid point about Diego Garcia and then blow your own logic out of the water by failing to apply the same standards to the Falklands.

At the time of the original Falklands conflict there were three “interested parties” (source Franks):

1. The Arg government for who possession of the Malvinas was always a major issue of policy and a national issue (an assymetric position vs the UK gov)

2. All British Governments asserted British sovereignty over the Islands and the Dependencies, without reservation as to their title, coupled with an unchanging commitment to the defence of their territorial integrity

3. Thirdly, the Islanders always made it clear that they wished to remain British and
consistently resisted any change in their constitutional relationship with the United
Kingdom.

The Franks report also noted after the war that, the British government cast doubt over the commitment to the FI, they continued to supply arms to the Argies and they withdrew HMS Endurance. All these sent the wrong signals to BAires.

So fast forward to today:

1. Still true
2. Still true
3. Still true

…and again, the messages we are sending. Defence cuts, major cuts to carriers and ability to respond with air/naval power etc…

I predict the Argies will escalate tension in the area over the next 12-24 months.

I think TJ is trying to work out which country he loves based on his complex moral compass 😉

Teamhurtmore – I pointed out the hypocrisy – thats all. that and ainflamatory spanish phrase. I didn’t actually state what I thought should be done with the islands did I

FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British. I thin the islands should be given independence under UN protection. Same as Northern Ireland or Gibralter.

I predict the Argies will escalate tension in the area over the next 12-24 months

especially when Wills does a tour down there as keeps getting trailed in the news

Despite your over-inflated ego, this is actually how it usually turns out on most threads you contribute to

It does not in any way actually, but you carry on with your little fantasy, if it makes you feel better. 🙂

Do you think there’s a fair bit of inbreeding in the Falklands, what with such a tiny population/gene pool?

Can we not share them with the Argentinians? Would that not suit both nations a lot better?

TJ – there isn’t any resident population on Diego Garcia (which was pretty much the point of the court case)

So how can we offer them a right to self determination?

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FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British

do you have a defined geographic boundary in mind? care to share it?

still waiting to hear which country you love 😉

Well TJ – you will have to admit that if all you post is this:

TandemJeremy – Member
La malvinas son argentinas

…then it is hard not to interpret that as a “belief” 😉 that the FI should be given to Argentina!!

But you have explained your position above – and my point remains. The population of the FI have stated their desire and it is not to given independence under UN protection (misnomer?). So whoever you have time for, is frankly pretty irrelevant.

I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British.

Kind of a recursive statement if you think about it.

I didn’t actually state what I thought should be done with the islands did I

You may not have stated explicitly what you think should be done with the islands, but there’s a pretty strong inference to be made from saying something should be done and “the Malvinas are Argentinian”, don’t you think?

And btw, anyone who believes the British government gives a monkeys what the Falkland Islanders want is living in cloud cuckoo land. The Falkland Islanders were stripped of their full UK citizenship just before the Falklands War. Not something which they asked for, I can assure you, and something which sent a signal to the then Argentine government that Britain was uninterested in them.

I agree with the sentiments Ernie, but not sure they were stripped. I though that is was more the fact that they were not granted citizenship under the Nationality Bill. But either way, we did send mixed/wrong messages to the Argies. But that is not the point surely….the issue remains that they wanted to remain part of Britain and rejected any concept of independence or transfer of sovereignty to Arg.

Zulu – we threw them off the island in the 60s and 70s.

they had been there a similar length of time to the Falkland islanders. The UK courts have recognised their right to return

big_n_daft – Member

FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British

do you have a defined geographic boundary in mind? care to share it?

Great Britain? its a defined geographic area – the island that makes up England Scotland and Wales

still waiting to hear which country you love

Britain

So why defend their right to return (if that is what you are saying) and not the right of the Falklands to maintain the status quo of their sovereignty. Where is the consistency?

You may not have stated explicitly what you think should be done with the islands, but there’s a pretty strong inference to be made from saying something should be done and “the Malvinas are Argentinian”, don’t you think?

Yes, but we’re talking about TJ here, and just because he doesn’t believe in God, it doensn’t mean he doesn’t believe there is no God, or something like that… so you’ll forgive him for holding together a personal belief system so rifted with dichotomy that its got its own gravity field 😀

the island that makes up England Scotland and Wales

only one island?

TandemJeremy – Member
Britain

How will the Irish (N&S) cope without your love and celtic solidarity?

FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British. I thin the islands should be given independence under UN protection. Same as Northern Ireland or Gibralter. (sic)

And Skye? The Shetlands? Isle of Wight? Where’s the line?

the island that makes up England Scotland and Wales

Freedom!

And we’re taking our Oil with us 😉

For reference, the Shetlands were former posessions of the Danish crown, and arguably retain legal status as Crown Dependencies in their own right, same as the Channel Islands…

teamhurtmore – all I am doing is pointing out the massive hypocrisy here.

Two groups of islanders who took up residence of their islands taht are british owned in the 19th century. We even have better legal title to Diego Garcia as we bought it :-0

One lot is defended at all costs, the others were forcibly removed, impoverished and dumped in another land and successive government have spent millions on court fees in attempting to stop the return.

If we have to defend the falkland islanders at all costs why not the chagossians?

tahts the point

Thats what great Britain is. the one island. Check it out.

TJ – you’re dug your own hole with the “one island” thing, and I’m really looking forward to see how you dig yourself out of it 😉

TJ there is no right and wrong in history. It just happens. I am sure if the Shetlanders were offered independence with all the oil rights they would take its not going to happen. Why do the Argentinians want the islands anyway? It is not as if they will be of much use unless they have oil.

Thats what great Britain is. the one island. Check it out.

We know. But we don’t know why you seem to think boats are immoral.

TandemJeremy – Member
Thats what great Britain is. the one island. Check it out

who gets all the other 1000+ islands and islets in the British Isles?

I am sure if the Shetlanders were offered independence with all the oil rights they would take it

Very interesting point. I wonder what Alex Salmons (and TJs) position on this would be.

Big and daft

some of them are a part of the united Kingdom of great Britain and northern ireland, some have other status in complex ways.

Yes, don’t they have more right to NS Oil than those blighters in the borders. Independence for Shetlands (and they wouldn’t have to bail out RBS!!!) 😉

So – why do we defend the Falkland islanders and not the chagossians?

some of them are a part of the united Kingdom of great Britain and northern ireland, some have other status in complex ways.

yes

but you only love the single island of Britain / Great Britain

still waiting to hear which country you love
Britain

TandemJeremy – Member
Thats what great Britain is. the one island. Check it out.

what have the 1000+ other islands/ islets in the British Isles done to not have your love? 😉

And why don’t you like boats!

So – why do we defend the Falkland islanders and not the chagossians?

Maybe because politics is about making decisions to further your own interests? It is not about idealism.

Big and daft

some of them are a part of the united Kingdom of great Britain and northern ireland, some have other status in complex ways.

Keep Digging TJ!

Theres a bit more to Chagos as far as I can see; the US military wanted it and they get what they want. Look at Guantanamo Bay for a good example.

The world is going to become an ugly and expensive place as oil becomes thin on the ground….if there is oil at the Falklands then Britain should do all it can to keep them.

Not really interested in the ‘who was there first’ argument as it just gets silly, where do you draw the line?….chuck all European descended Yanks out of the US?….hand Brazil, Argentina etc back to the Native South Americans?….turn Oz back to an Aborigine country?

The world changes all the time, populations move around….its not always pleasant when done by force but trying to reverse hundreds of years of immigration, colonisation etc seems pointless.

Great Britain? its a defined geographic area – the island that makes up England Scotland and Wales

Screw the Isle of Wight and their bloody twee tea shops!

FWIW I work with a fair amount of Argentinians, get on really well with them – although they don’t half talk a lot – and most of them a) think “Las Malvinas” are theirs, and b) don’t really think about “Las Malvinas” on a day-to-day basis. It really isn’t an issue to them.

Deviant +lots

And TJ, it appears that boats are out of the question, but where do you stand on bridges? Should I tell my in-laws on Anglesey to tear up their British passports?