Running.

Lots of recces and messing with garmin trail as back up. To be honest ive got the 310 and its pretty amazing! We once stood in clag at 2am on Helvellyn all looking for the summit trig. we were 3 metres away from it!
I think the key is getting the right people with you as well, for instance 5 of those i ran with at the weekend I would call friends all that I met helping on their or our attempts. I know when I go again who I will be ringing for help. There are certain parts such as Bowfell where the first time we went we choose a bad route, brown pants moment but the last route was a joy! You get so used to it you just know where your going, the watch is a back up but a great one.

I normally have a gel every 50 minutes or so when racing and find that they do help, and I believe it is more than just psychology.

Again I’m genuinely surprised as I find that I’m less hungry after exercise

I am too for a while, but a drink with some carbs tends to slip down nicely. If I get in late and have a recovery drink I end up not wanting any dinner at all.

Not saying you need it, of course, but it can be handy if you want to train 6 days a week for example.

Again I’m genuinely surprised as I find that I’m less hungry after exercise

Really? Unless it’s been a hot one, I am ready to hit McDonalds afterwards.

a male body can store 400-500g of carbs only, after you have hit maybe the longer distances 2 hours then you need to start refuelling the carbs that your body has been burning. so for a half ironman distnace you need 30-60g an hour but for a full ironman you need 50-80g. Be careful you don’t over do it though do don’t mix a carb drink (ie 4:1 High 5 energy drink) with energy gels, it will just result in a bad stomach. Use gels with water or energy drink on it’s own.

for the half on the weekend I used 3 gels, a small one at 8 miles, a larger one at 10 miles and these definately helped. I used another one at 12 miles buti think that was clearly my psychologically feeling it would help but hey who knows!

mates laughed at me as about 40 mins before start I had a slice of malt loaf with butter, do it for tri’s and it works treat no issues running either so bonus!

As already mentioned after hard long exercise I also get issues with lack of hunger despite my stomach needing food. So after the half I didn’t eat anything until about 1500 hours then when the food hits my stomach it gives me horrific stomach cramps! something I’m slowly learning to deal with but find it hard, basically when finishing I need to force small bits of food down so stomach doesn’t shut down.

IanMunro – Member
I had a nice mini Forest Gump moment yesterday.
I went out to do my typical 9 mile Sunday run, then felt ok early on so changed it to a 12 miles, got within a mile of home, then decide I still felt fine so added on another loop and ended up doing just over 20 miles

LOL!!! 😆

I had some new trainers properly fitted a month ago. My feet roll outwards when I run.

Ever since running in them my inner lower calves have been destroyed!

Is it me getting used to the new support or are they damaging me?

My legs are really sore along the bone up the inner part on both legs.

I’m meant to be in the tissington 1/2 marathon in oct and London marathon next year

Bilateral compartment decompression done yesterday. Doesn’t feel too bad, bit sore but OK. Could be the painkillers though 😀

Should be cycling in 3 weeks, and fingers crossed will be able to start running then too.

Is it me getting used to the new support or are they damaging me?

I had some trainers selected for me by a running shop when I started doing it regularly. I apparently needed loads of support on the inside. When I went out in them they made my instep hurt like hell.

I think the shop was wrong. I went to a different shop and got far better shoes with far less support.

Col Wax – good luck.

jonjones, sounds like you have the start of shinsplint symptoms prob caused by tight calves. As to the cause of the calves, are you doing more miles now or running more on your toes in the new shoes?
Who fitted you?
I would try stretching your calves and massaging them and find some exercises to strengthen and stretch the shin muscles before it gets worse. Get booked in to a physio perhaps if you know a good one?
Colonel wax, hope you get back at it as soon as possible.

I rode in today, may try and run in the morning but i am still pretty sore in the quads.

Q, If you do a really hard session where you get bad DOMS afterwards is the [forced] rest comparable to normal rest for recovery purposes?
I was going to schedule an easy week in next week, after 4 weeks of intensity but this week ive not done much because I could barely walk. So I am thinking i may just have another easy day or 2 then get back to it next week. Your thoughts please.

When I get bad DOMS I get on the bike for a couple of days for some steady riding. When we did a big fell run in the lakes (4 hrs) we were off for 2 days, but then after that I was running big hills every other day with no DOMS at all.

Interestingly, I’ve had a big 5 days including, 10 miles at race pace, 20 miles progression run and 8X800 at 6 min/mi pace. I struggled with the last few intervals last night and couldn’t have run anything other than recovery today. So I cycled to work and managed to do my commute in the fastest ever time even though I have barely cycled for the last 6 weeks, at no point was I really pushing it either.

So, my conclusion is that I can exercise other muscles hard when the ones used running are fatigued? Does that make sense to anyone else?

Picked it up with 47 miles this week.
Monday – 10*400 @ 1.25’s (not flat).
Tuesday – 6 mile race pace (mountain).
Wednesday – rest.
Thursday – 6.5 mile gentle (with a 5.50 mile in the middle).
Friday – 5.5 mile multi terrain race (2nd).
Saturday – rest (Olympic size hangover).
Sunday – 23 mile/6200ft hill run.

Need something to train for.

I seem to struggle cycling after running so cant seem to combine the two. If I have a running event [multiterrain/trail usually – not road!]
I have to spend about a fortnight before, just running – when returning to cycling seem to struggle – so when preparing for 100k audax etc need to cycle for at least 2 weeks before and no running!!
You are all lucky to be able to combine the two – perhaps I am just too old!!!! [62]
But! love trail running and love MTBing!!so will struggle on – well done to all those in previous posts who manage the big distances over the fells particulalry the BGR – respect!!!

Did a park run this morning. Never done 5K before, got 17:37 finishing 4th.

Pretty chuffed with that, should translate to a 36:30 10k time and 2:55 marathon roughly

Mileage this week = 60.

Just got back from a 14m. It was flat and I was slow. Nice scenery though…

Good time Dj .
Sat icing my calf, not sure what happened I ran fine but hard on fri then long yesterday with no issues then woke this morning with pain. Feels like Achilles or lower calf. Hopefully just a strain as I want to run the brownlee gold run on Tuesday at Haworth then I have my 10k which I hope to do well at this weekend.
Will rest it tomorrow and hope it goes away as quick as it came.

What a night of Olympics yesterday. Fantastic stuff.
After Tuesdays Brownlee run the plan is to watch the tri on the large screen in the pub where they often race, all race numbers and prizes have been Signed by the brothers.

Got my lost headtorch back today.

Anyway 400 is on …

Just got back from a 14m. It was flat and I was slow. Nice scenery though…

Did 12.5 earlier today. Busted my gut getting a strava time up the first two hills, but because the person who set the segment has some bent arse GPS that can’t follow the road properly, it hasn’t recognised my clearly more awesome effort. Spent the rest of the afternoon drowning my sorrows in the pub.

so – after 5 years of running not managing to overcome runners trots for morning runs, meant afternoon/evening running….but…i’m going to have to become an early morning pre-breakfast runner again, which has me worried – anyone else have/overcome this problem?

– anyone else have/overcome this problem?

Wake Up > Coffee > 30Mins or less > Poo > Run

I’ve kick started my mArathon training this week.

Went out for 2 x 10km runs during the week then put in a 22.5km run on saturday. Did my half marathon in 1.50 which I was fairly happy with.

Cut the bottom of my foot yesterday though which is in a bit of an awkward spot for running on, will have to see how it feels later.

Coffee normaly does the trick, but I have shat in the woods more than I care to remember

if only the previous posts proved that simple @jamie @djglover
the problem is this with my routine goes 1 of 2 ways

up, black coffee -> wait 3 hours -> poo -> run ok pace, then run at above max hr back to house -> more poo

up, black coffee -> run ok pace, then run at above max hr back to house -> poo

for my afternoon its the much more normal

finish work -> long run -> happy smiles

what about overnight timed laxatives? anyone tried those?

Stop the black coffee? Seems to be the one constant there

what about fiber intake. are you eating too much fiber?

so – after 5 years of running not managing to overcome runners trots for morning runs

I’ve tried immodium instants recently, which seem to work well. More expensive than crack though.

I tend to just make it part of my run; take a doggy bag though (paper is optional).

another tummy question for the runners .

I always get really bloated when running , stomach is really hard , muscle pain and I look like I am 7 months pregnant .

any idea why ?

Could this be the future of running shorts?

😀

any idea why ?

Not quite sure, but if in September you look 8 months pregnant, then congratulations….you’re pregnant.

Anyone got any views on how to taper for a half marathon during marathon training. Got a half next Sunday

I’m reluctant to cut the milage too much with the marathon less than 10 weeks away, but equally I want to get as close to 1:20 as possible..

Might carry on as plan but just take 2 days off beforehand.

Any Edinburgh posters doing the Speed of Light tonight on Arthur’s Seat?

Dj- I think you know what you’re doing when you’re aiming for ~ 1.20…..asking on a more specific forum may be your best bet as you well know that you’re already at the sharp edge of the field. Cutting the milage 10 weeks before an event isn’t really going to do anything to your overall goal but not doing it will have a bearing on your local goal.

Supposed to be doing the Brecon Beacons fell race this weekend but my toe is the size of a small melon at the moment due to over enthusiastic descending and new-bloody-xsocks. I’m okay to run on the flat bu any downhill has me in agony – bread poultice and antibiotics for me. Might have to do my first ever Parkrun instead.

djg don’t forget if you are going for a time the intensity of the HM will take a lot out of you as opposed to simlar training mileage.

I’d take the week off 😎

What is the received wisdom of the gait analysis running shops offer for buying trainers? My trainers are 4 years old (only used properly for around 6 months tho), and I’m getting a sore outside of foot at the mo from running. Seems like a good time to investigate a new pair – the treadmill gait analysis sounds intuitively like a good idea, but pretty sure I’ve heard it described as a waste of time.

Well I did think it was good, now not so sure. AFAIK they look at how you run and sell you trainers providing the support you need for your gait.

Now there are those that say this doesn’t actually do anything to fix any issues you may have – if you have a problem with your gait it just lets you continue having a problem.

I was sold very supportive shoes when I started – they weren’t comfortable on the first longer run I went on. It wasn’t long before I got some with much less support* which were far better. The old ones feel like boats now.

Gait analysis is probably a good idea in general though, but MAYBE not for the purpose of selling shoes to compensate for it.

* not the minimalist ones before anyone pipes up

Gary it depends, I’d say go for the test, I think if you have a weird run then maybe some advice may help. I think the best shoes are the ones that are comfy for you. I tried innov8 F195 recently ( I got the flat shoe running bug) but they weren’t really best for me, and only after 6 months I’ve given up on them and got some pretty sore ankles now.

slight diversion – nutrition for long runs 10miles+
I struggle for energy on long runs but I don’t have any special pre-run food or drink. I just finish work then go for a run, usually 4-5hrs after lunch. What can you eat say 1-2hrs before a long run to provide more focused energy?
Also whilst out, does anyone take any food/gels with them? Are they useful and easy to digest?
I don’t even take water but I do drink about 2 pints when I get back.
Probably schoolboy errors but it’s just what I’m used to doing. Probably need to change that though

Gels need water, don’t eat them if you don’t have any water.

Try eating a sandwich or something two hours before you run. Brown bread would be good. Or just make sure your lunch is low GI.

molgrips – Member

thanks, I’m doing an event at the weekend with regular water stations. Would that be enough water to work with the energy gel?

Went for a trot round the village last night and was shocked at how slow I was running. I was running at about 8:30 a mile for most of it and had no way to speed up.

For some reason my pace has dropped right off in the last year and I can’t for the life of me think why. Ok, I was tired from work and was recovering from a cold, but it was only four miles and that’s not really that far.

Does anyone have any idea what’s going on with me or how I can get faster?