[Closed] Planetx Pro Carbon to a SuperSix (or other)- tell the difference?

Went from SL Pro to TCR Advanced SL. Absolute stupid difference. Average up, used less gears, climbed more in the big ring and during the first race on it, I did actually let out a laugh just after putting my foot down.

But Hora, you've already agreed to buy my Supersix?

Yes just making sure as its a big leap in roadie for me 🙂

We have an agreement, just pay me and I'll post it.

isn't the Planet X a flexy noodly hell? I'd imagine the supersix is worlds apart

Its sold when the money is paid. Until then I'm sure you'd sell it. I'm hesitating as I want to be sure. Surely you could understand that.

Surprisingly I dont find it flexy at all- weird as the only review I could find said the front was.

Oh dear. ..

Erm...no...we have a contract, which I would normally stick by, please don't deride my character with your failings.

Depends on the colour. Black and white ones are fastest

Oh dear. ..

Indeed. Sell to someone else. In all my time selling stuff in the classifieds I've never pushed or chased a sale. If it happens it happens, I'll just sell it on ebay etc or keep. I didn't reply back to your last email when I said 'would you take' partly as I was unsure if an average Joe would feel any difference in the ride.

You could have simply posted on here 'look from experience or what you've heard its a great frame, smooth etc and you wouldn't be going far wrong/a good improvement so definitely get it bought/dont lose out'.

But wouldn't that be "pushing" or "chasing" a sale?

You made me an offer, which I accepted, you then ignored my emsil (rather than saying "I'm having second thoughts" etc).

All I'm doing here is pointing out facts...

Seems like there may be a lack of internet purchasing integrity on display here.......

FWIW the difference from that crappy PX frame to an Evo will be night and day

(rather than saying "I'm having second thoughts" etc)

Mulling over should occur before making offer!

Because road riding is so new to me every decision is dwelled on. I'd have gone through two frames and three forks Renton-style in such time on mtb..

Hora I think a carbon Synapse may be a better frame for you.

How must this SS frame be feeling about this huge debacle? Pretty horrible I bet, poor thing.

I went from a TCR Adv Sl to a Planet X Rt57. The only difference I could tell was I was no longer petrified of dropping it so I could actually 'race' rather than riding around very very carefully.
Also it fitted and handled better.

[i]every decision is dwelled on.[/i]

Except the one to make the offer to buy in the first place?

No one objects to you dithering but to basically assume cynic-al is ok with a "I may or may not buy it but don't sell it to anyone else while I decide" approach isn't the done thing.

I thought practice makes perfect, how does Hora not know how buying things works?

I'm selling the PlanetX. I consider it sold when its gone.

Someone I know recently went to look at the PX pro carbon but ended up with one of the alloy framed bikes as the frame was lighter.
I would imagine the supersix will be lighter.
Another mate has a pro carbon and he loves it.
Horses for courses...

I did exactly that. Moved from a PX CSL to a Cannondale Supersix hi-mod about 2 years ago.

The cannondale is a far nicer bike to ride, makes me far more confident on the descents as the planet x did occasionally suffer from an intense speed wobble (more to do with keeping myself over the front of the bike rather than off the back on descents as I was used to mtbing).

The supersix is lighter and stiffer in important areas and along with some new wheels is a completely different ride.

[i]I could pop into a shop a try their Supersix but I wouldn't be buying (or intending to) and that isn't fair[/i]

Whereas agreeing to buy Al's bike, when you don't necessarily intend to, is totally above board.

It's another addition to the list of "why I'll never sell anything to Hora".

Hi. Contribute or get off a thread.

If you want to rewind- not replying to a email is bad communication, I didn't say ok deal will send you the money right now. If I did then silence then fine. However not replying to 'ok I'll do it for that price' is just bad form but not the end of the earth.

Posting negatively on a topic that doesn't help the OP to come to a decision that he admits he is wavering on does really help does it? I don't think theres anything that I'd want to buy from you so we are both quids in.

If I had a quid for all those that ask for pictures, questions and on price but then never comeback to me.. I've bought and sold alot of secondhand kit and it comes with the process.

It doesn't bother me. I think if I was getting bitter and looking to pick at everything it would.

There is a huge difference in not replying to an email and making an offer and having it accepted and then not replying.

So I mull it over, post a 'not sure/help on making it the right decision' on here before going ahead and I'm now an arch villain. Nice.

Apple for that high horse?

I've already admitted I could have used/use better communication with the seller yet you want to get bitter on his behalf?

[b]Sorry, sometimes buyers can be unsure or even change their minds entirely.[/b]

If you want to attack someone and keep on going over the same point repeatedly its not contributing to the thread is it? I've already admitted to a communication slip up. What else do you want?

High horse?

You should make the decision prior to making an offer to buy. If someone makes me an offer and i accept i consider it sold and mentally make plans to blow the money.

Perhaps ive got it all wrong or perhaps i havent the saddle is high up here and its hard to see.

Secondhand classifieds sale- the item isn't sold until its paid for.

Do me a favour, in future dont reply to any topic I start. I don't think you'd be offering me anything that would answer my topic or be of value to me. You'd just be psychological noise.

As i side note id say from your prev posts something a little higher up the front would work better like the synapse or something similar

where's that 'Michael Jackson eating popcorn' GIF when you need it?

hora - Member
So I mull it over, post a 'not sure/help on making it the right decision' on here before going ahead and I'm now an arch villain. Nice.

Ah true colours i see. I even drove to Manchester area once to meet you with a near new onone frame despite a load of pics to show condition as you dithered im really glad i did that for you and a 80 quid frame. I'll chalk that up to experience 😉 have a nice day

You made an offer it was accepted, contract made, your in the wrong hora. If your going to break the deal apologise to cynic and move on. But don't expect other people not to take not and use it to make judgements on your character.

i think a "I'm not sure" email to Al would have been better than a "i'm not sure" thread, Al hates me but even I wouldn't do that to him

As I said - I admitted this quite early on. So why raise it again?

This is what I posted over an hour:

Communication breakdown on my behalf there- I was holding off replying to that email whilst mulling it over.

I've already admitted that I was at fault. Dwelling and attacking on this isn't really helping. Its just negativity (for fun) I imagine.

The On One frame- I had loads of people after that due to the price/condition. Even 'dibs'- It sold when it sold.

I was offered (and hounded) on pinkbike overnight by someone offering me £100 for my F&F- with 'I can collect tonight with cash'. Its part of the selling process.

If I've admitted a fault, how can you still attack? Nothing as queer as internet folk.

Hora. how much have you ridden the PX ?

I was on about a frame i sold you ad it goes but anyway

Back on track. I recently got a planet x rt57 and was a bit concerned re the size as it felt a bit big and felt funny. But the other day i had a basic bike fit in leeds. Initial phys assessment some measurements then cleat position. Saddle height changed fore/aft altered and stem changed its now like an armchair its really really comfy and definitely feels much better. The fit was only the basic so no video tracking or cleat shims or shoe insoles but well worth the £60 fee all i needed to change was a cheap stem. Certainly the best money ive spent on a road bike. Id highly recommend it as ut feels like a different bike completely and i know it fits where as i could have swapped for another that didn't fit and have the same problems

Hora. how much have you ridden the PX ?

Not much really (i.e no commuting):

One Sportive
The Sportive again after the event
Manchester To Huddersfield and back to watch the Tour
3ish round hills rides around the hills and tops of Huddersfield.
A few Cheshire lane (summer rides)

I know there can be an immediate and obvious difference between the feel etc of mtb frames at budget to good etc - but road frames when they are both so light?

firestarter- at the start I should have done that and it took abit of trial and error to get to the right feel.

Whoa, really not very cool Hora. Anyway, you won't find much difference, except something else won't be quite right *for you* and we'll get to hear all about it. Yay.

richardthird- I was having second thoughts/dithering over whether it was the right move. Not right but in contrast to scamming, paypal fraud, selling cracked tat, misdescribing etc- its not really a crime.

So did you read my last post it may be of interest to you in terms of your bike?

Also have you thrown a leg over a 58cm supersix as dales are pretty big imho

Hora- I'll buy your house.

Seller- Great, I'll sell it to you and take it off the market. Then I'll have the money to buy a new house/eat/sort my life out/pay some bills.

Hora- ..................

Seller- Are you buying my house? I've taken it off the market because you said you'd buy it and need the money.

Hora- ...........

Seller- I see you've started a thread saying you may not buy my house. But you said you were going to buy it- are you?

Hora- I'm not sure. Why did you take it off the market after I'd agreed to buy it?

Does that make it any clearer why you've been an idiot?

Anyway, yes, al's Supersix will be lots better than the cheap Planet X frames, which aren't very good and are rather heavy. Stop buggering the man about and send him the money so he can buy a container load of spoons.

Ok.

don't take this the wrong way, but you are clearly a complete novice road rider and the only difference you'll notice will be in your head (either from what you've read on here or from the perceived worth of a more expensive frame).

Having read your ramblings on here over the years it's clear you don't have a clue about geometry, fit, handling or even frame materials/design of mtb frames.

Stick with the PX (assuming it fits) stop buying "upgrades" for it and actually ride the thing. choose something else in a few years. ATM it's way more capable a bike than the rider is.

£60 to alter your saddle position and tell you you'd be more comfortable with a shorter stem is a piss take.
Any good roadie bike shop would do this for a regular customer (or a new customer who's just bought a bike) for free.

hora, How about I find you a video on YouTube that will help you alter your saddle position and you send Al £30 for my trouble?

Al, You ok with that?

Good!

Sorted. 😉

Al, you can buy me a pint

Well mtbel i was happy with it i was bent all over the shop and measured then placed on the bike and measured and had various things altered and remeasured. And feel much better on the bike. Also had all the measurements given to me for future ref other than insoles and wedges everything was covered and my prev experience of a proper roaf bike shop non of this was done. So imo its the best 60 quid ive spent on a bike as it now fits me correctly. As for the stem it was a fancy salsa adjustable tool that adjusted to every size so he could get my position where he wanted it rather than me saying oh yeah that's better. Each to their own we are not all experts.i trust the guys bike fit training and sports physiotherapy qualifications and road riding experience more than i do my own tbh

You are right in that it's sold when the money has changed hands.

But it's really bad form to agree to purchase something and then not. The agreement is the shaking hands and while it's not a signed legal contract, it's seen as a contract between gentlemen. Thus, pulling out does not do your reputation much good.

Not ridden either bike but I know a few who have gone from Planet x frames to similar and say it's night and day. The supersix should be an awesome bike.

I'd buy it as you're obviously thinking you want a better road bike and this is a better road bike.

Can I list other things which are crimes? Just to help future readers of this thread. For reasons of clarity
if you like...

Paedophilia, arson, assault and battery, resetting, carrying an offensive weapon, speeding, fly-tipping, embezzlement, solicitation, possession of controlled substances, people trafficking, selling alcohol to under 18s, shooting seagulls, public urination, trespass.

Just a few of many transgressions that may land a chap in trouble with the law. As you say, welching on a deal you've made on the classifieds pales into insignificance when you look at some of those. But it is annoying so I'm afraid you have to suck up the flaming in this instance.

[b]Having read your ramblings on here over the years[/b] it's clear you don't have a clue about geometry, fit, handling or even frame materials/design of mtb frames.

I'll bite. You joined in November 2014 which means you must be a previous banned user then. Or a longterm stalker.

Chose one.

Its all a rocky learning curve fella. None of us know it all. Of course you are a mechanic to a Pro and thus know your onions.

But it is annoying so I'm afraid you have to suck up the flaming in this instance.

The agreement is the shaking hands and while it's not a signed legal contract, it's seen as a contract between gentlemen. Thus, pulling out does not do your reputation much good.

[i] trespass[/i]

Family Fortunes style UH-UUUUUUUHHHH

I went Planet-X Pro Carbon > Merida Scultura > Cannondale Supersix Hi-Mod

the most marked difference is the geometry, the Planet-X is quite relaxed, the Cannondale is a race frame,

if i had to buy again id get a Synapse Hi-Mod, if its good enough for Pro Teams to race on, and be more comfortable, its good enough for anyone

http://rouleur.cc/journal/bicycles/pro-tools-peter-sagans-bespoke-cannondale-synapse

Two big hitters in classifieds spat.

Coffee is on..... 😀

Right lets gets this straight:

1) Planet-X are rubbish so of course a Cannondale will be better.

2) Will you notice, probably not as you don't seem to understand bikes.

3) Is what you have done poor form and out of order, yes.

Do yourself a favour, buy the frame as agreed, and then go and step away from the internet for a good while.

bite? get over yourself. read what I typed (maybe a few times) and take it on the chin. it's good advice. and free.

Will it even fit him? How does a 58cm SS compare to Hora's Large PX with not much seatpost showing

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they are a lot less compact, almost horizontal is scary for a MTBer

Nobeerinthefridge - Member

Two big hitters in classifieds spat

He's no Big Hitter!

If it was me?

I'd stick with the PX, make it a comfy place to be and just ride it. Nowt wrong with the PX, it's a great frame.

dragon oh dear. Opinions are like assholes everyone's got one, however I'd prefer if you kept both of yours to yourself

Wait! How long have PX been rubbish? I can't keep up with this place. Still, I'm riding mine in around an hour, hope the day's not ruined.

Its not rubbish. If I could afford 2 road bikes or the space I'd definitely keep it. I just fancy an upgrade.

Has anyone told Hora that what he did was wrong?

Surely someone on here wants to tell him that what he did was wrong?

I think someone will be along shortly to inform Hora that what he did was wrong.

Its people saying the samething over and over and over again oblivious to my admission on communication failure early on. As is the world of forums people scan then form an opinion before pausing and reading properly.

the most marked difference is the geometry, the Planet-X is quite relaxed, the Cannondale is a race frame,

The most marked difference is the price. The PX geometry is perfectly good enough to race on. maybe not neo-pro enough for many aspiring "racers"

Hey I never started a thread asking for opinion's then took a hissy fit when I got ones I didn't like.

Those Planet-X are rubbish frames, renowned for being flexy with poor handling characteristics when pushed hard.

form an opinion before pausing and reading properly.

my admission on communication failure early on

Well done. Have you sent Al the money yet?

dragon I asked a specific question frame v frame.

I didn't ask about years of mountain bike stuff or veiled insults from the likes of Brian from Barnstable or whatever youre called.

If I had received say >10 of yes its better because, no its negligible then I'd have moved forward very quickly.

This is the thing with forums, you've got to take the floaters with the smooth.

really? in whose world is the cannondale more relaxed?

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Looking at Large PX v 58 Dale HA/SA are v.similar 0.5degree out on one measurement) and TT equally so.

The standover doesn't matter really as I've got a 33instep etc.

True assumptions?

rOcKeTdOg
i think a "I'm not sure" email to Al would have been better than a "i'm not sure" thread, Al hates me but even I wouldn't do that to him

I don't hate you, I don't understand why you stalk me and troll me though.

A 58" dale frame will be too big, if you only have a 33" inside leg.

I fail to see how its only 4cm difference between my current and the Dale.

My world!

You haven't ridden both frames have you, Dirtyrider?

cynic-al - Member
rOcKeTdOg
i think a "I'm not sure" email to Al would have been better than a "i'm not sure" thread, Al hates me but even I wouldn't do that to him
I don't hate you, I don't understand why you stalk me and troll me though.

I think it's been so long neither of us know why, I've been purposely avoiding replying to threads that u start in an effort for peace,I'm happy to draw a line under it & make a fresh start, life's to short etc. Ball is in your court.

You haven't ridden both frames have you, Dirtyrider?

i've owned both, i know its hard to wade into an internet argument with actual facts, but there you go

if the pro-carbon is a race frame, (of course, you can race on it, you can race on anything) then why do they make the et-57, and market that as a race frame, with race geometry?

Didn't Blant say it the Korean designer made it to be stiffer?

Without wishing to be disrespectful, I doubt you or indeed most of us on here have much of an issue of frame flex caused by the levels of power we generate on a roadbike. The bike you should ride is the one that fits you best and you're happy doing the miles on. And it does take miles and miles and miles to get good at road biking.

So what if the PX flexes a bit and you don't get a PB on that Strava segment? Personally, and I'm by no means a light rider, I've never had an issue with the PX. Bloody good bike for the money.

Make a decision and we can all get on with things.

dragon - Member

A 58" dale frame will be too big, if you only have a 33" inside leg.

35.5" pelvis to floor here, it felt about right, you may have a point.